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illmatic99 said:
I'll believe it when I see it with Hassan. He looked slow, plundering, and disinterested much of last season. Part of the reason they were losing (as he keeps referencing) was because he was bad and gave up when challenged by Spoelstra. We don't really need any more evidence of Dame's awesome leadership, but it's not a good referendum on the situation when he has to send Whiteside page long texts about how to respect the coach..
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GREAT NEWS!!!
Slow, plundering, and disinterested and STILL lead the league in Rebounds/36. Can't wait until he's unleashed!!!

Btw, you're completely ignoring the fact that Miami has had a mediocre record for several years running now.
 
B-Roy said:
Not really sure the narrative is correct here. Miami was 7th in rebounding differential last year, 4th in ORB%, 10th in DRB%, 7th in TRB%. A lot of that had to do with Whiteside, who posted league leading DRB% and TRB%. Portland was 1st in rebounding differential, 1st in OORB%, 9th in DRB%, and 1st in TRB%. We're losing Kanter, Aminu and Harkless who were all good rebounders at their position. Nurk will also be out for half the year, so even if Whiteside is chasing rebounds, that's gonna be his main job.

He's also rated quite well by most advanced defensive metrics. I don't look at DRTG, but he's consistently top 10 in DRPM and he was top 4 in that DRAYMOND stat that 538 just developed, although I haven't read too much into the methodology of that. Basically in his sleep he can still impact the game defensively because he's just so big and talented.

It's actually his offense that hurt his team the most, Miami was better offensively with Bam over Whiteside, and the numbers bear it out. Even over the years, he's always made their offense worse. I'm hoping he's better here.
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Why has he made the offense worse? Anything you can point to?
 
I doubt he will make our offensive worse based on who we gave up for him. Of course it will be hard to pin point blame since we have so many other new players in the rotation. But I am sure we will spend hours trying.
 
I'm really excited about this signing....hopefully the Blazer social media junkies don't trigger him with negativity and doubt...he needs a new start just like Nurk did
 
Scalma said:
I’m not giving up future flexibility (plus whatever other assets we’d have to give up) for the “opportunity” to pay Otto Porter $100M either. If we’re going to make investments like that I want it on true impact players, not guys that grade out as maybe slightly above average.
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You're on record saying no to Blake Griffin who was a top 10 player in the league last season. You're saying no to Otto Porter. What kind of player do you want if none of those are suffice?
 
AmirIcon said:
You're on record saying no to Blake Griffin who was a top 10 player in the league last season. You're saying no to Otto Porter. What kind of player do you want if none of those are suffice?
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If you’re asking who I want to make a big investment in, I’d say no one player. I’d much rather spread the money out on complimentary players like Whiteside, Ibaka, Gallinari, etc than max a dude in his 30s or drop $100M on someone like Porter. The core of the roster can be developed internally.
 
Scalma said:
If you’re asking who I want to make a big investment in, I’d say no one player. I’d much rather spread the money out on complimentary players like Whiteside, Ibaka, Gallinari, etc than max a dude in his 30s or drop $100M on someone like Porter. The core of the roster can be developed internally.
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Porter would be a huge upgrade but I can understand the concern with his salary. Blake Griffin would be a guy I'd go all in for. We more than likely aren't going to be a player in free agency with roughly 17 mil in open cap space so we should probably make the play for a big salary guy. We aren't going to get anyone better than Otto Porter Jr. or Blake Griffin.

Ibaka and Gallinari are not going to put this team over the top. I can assure you that.
 
AmirIcon said:
Porter would be a huge upgrade but I can understand the concern with his salary. Blake Griffin would be a guy I'd go all in for. We more than likely aren't going to be a player in free agency with roughly 17 mil in open cap space so we should probably make the play for a big salary guy. We aren't going to get anyone better than Otto Porter Jr. or Blake Griffin.

Ibaka and Gallinari are not going to put this team over the top. I can assure you that.
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I’d argue that a duo of Nurkic and Whiteside would make a bigger impact than Otto Porter. Porter is ok but would get eaten up by guys like Kawhi, George, Lebron etc. Not many teams would be able to counter a Nurk/Whiteside combo though.

I could probably be talked into Blake.
 
Scalma said:
I’d argue that a duo of Nurkic and Whiteside would make a bigger impact than Otto Porter. Porter is ok but would get eaten up by guys like Kawhi, George, Lebron etc. Not many teams would be able to counter a Nurk/Whiteside combo though.

I could probably be talked into Blake.
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I would agree. I think people are sleeping on Hassan big time. BUT. He's going to be a free agent and I'm going to go ahead and assume he doesn't want to be Nurk's backup and I don't think it would be the wisest thing to spend a lot of money on a backup. We need 3 and 4 starters that can make a difference. I think Porter CAN make a difference. Gordon Hayward as well. Blake Griffin FOR SURE. Throw in the picks. Throw in Little. Let's get Griffin to Portland.
 
AmirIcon said:
I would agree. I think people are sleeping on Hassan big time. BUT. He's going to be a free agent and I'm going to go ahead and assume he doesn't want to be Nurk's backup and I don't think it would be the wisest thing to spend a lot of money on a backup. We need 3 and 4 starters that can make a difference. I think Porter CAN make a difference. Gordon Hayward as well. Blake Griffin FOR SURE. Throw in the picks. Throw in Little. Let's get Griffin to Portland.
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That's next summer's worry. We can discuss that after the Championship parade.
 
just really hope nobody goes with the "Whiteside Fever" slogan...
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I doubt he will make our offensive worse based on who we gave up for him. Of course it will be hard to pin point blame since we have so many other new players in the rotation. But I am sure we will spend hours trying.
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If by hours you mean years, I think you are correct.

:cheers:
 
illmatic99 said:
Man I sure hope you're right. I only watched them a few times and frankly he looked bored every time. He can put up stats in his sleep, but they sure didn't impact the result on the floor. He chased blocks and rebounds like Camby, while putting his teammates at a disadvantage. We all know how flawed DRTG is, but it is something. And he was a complete black hole after receiving the ball on P&Rs. Let's see if he turns it around, but I'm glad we have Nurk coming back.
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I've heard Miami's overall oncourt/offcourt defensive numbers weren't good with Whiteside. Maybe some of that really is stat chasing. But when his stats aren't really that different from normal, perhaps it's on his teammates. I wonder if some of it is just how dispiriting it can be if you are a young person trying to figure shit out and the well-paid vet who is supposed to "lead" you is a cranky, weird center whose style of play doesn't really fit with the coach. Maybe the young guys just didn't try as hard when he was on the court because they just didn't have any belief in him as a leader or teammate or anchor.

I wouldn't put a Dennis Rodman or Ron Artest on a young team, and for that matter even Nurkic is probably a bad fit for a young team that doesn't have strong leadership. Maybe Kanter too. Whiteside's teams had the most success when other vets (Wade) were around to rally the troops.

I know the parallels with Nurk and Whiteside are obvious, but Nurk was only 22 when we got him, while Whiteside is 30. Nurk's immaturity is understandable, Hassan's not so much.
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Eh...some guys do mature. Vince Carter was insanely immature and changed, and Artest didn't. I'm not really sure Nurkic has matured a bit--I don't see behind the scenes. I know his behavior since having Dame in his ear has been exemplary. I kind of suspect, though, that if you made him move to Miami and replace Whiteside, he'd probably piss everyone off. :) Just watch him get under the skins of opponents. It's not hard to imagine him doing that with coaches and teammates if the structure wasn't there.

Portland has relatively few unique assets. The pockets aren't as deep as they once were. They haven't traditionally been a free agent player. Poor draft position. Only one superstar. What Portland does have is probably the best leader in the league in Lillard. I think it's a legit strategy to target other teams' talented basket cases so that we can leverage that leadership as much as possible.

It's kind of interesting to think what could have been if we had a mature Lillard in 2000 instead of Stoudamire. With Dame, Pip, Sabas and Smitty the Jail Blazer term never gets coined.

I think I'm going to spend then next 45 minutes imagining the 2000 WCF with Dame running point in the fourth quarter.
 
BonesJones said:
That was a free-access article.
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Got one point. But my feeling remain. Too often pay content is given up for free.

SIeepwalker said:
Sorry Jason
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Sorry to care about the quality of content we are lucky to get.

Scalma said:
Lol cry.
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AldoTrapani said:
Damn you be snitching huh
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Feel free to mock me. But I feel like we must protect The Atheltic and quality journalism. Maybe it's because I am a journalist myself but when we treat pay-content the same way we treat free-content, we are losing its value.
 
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mook said:
I've heard Miami's overall oncourt/offcourt defensive numbers weren't good with Whiteside. Maybe some of that really is stat chasing. But when his stats aren't really that different from normal, perhaps it's on his teammates. I wonder if some of it is just how dispiriting it can be if you are a young person trying to figure shit out and the well-paid vet who is supposed to "lead" you is a cranky, weird center whose style of play doesn't really fit with the coach. Maybe the young guys just didn't try as hard when he was on the court because they just didn't have any belief in him as a leader or teammate or anchor.

I wouldn't put a Dennis Rodman or Ron Artest on a young team, and for that matter even Nurkic is probably a bad fit for a young team that doesn't have strong leadership. Maybe Kanter too. Whiteside's teams had the most success when other vets (Wade) were around to rally the troops.



Eh...some guys do mature. Vince Carter was insanely immature and changed, and Artest didn't. I'm not really sure Nurkic has matured a bit--I don't see behind the scenes. I know his behavior since having Dame in his ear has been exemplary. I kind of suspect, though, that if you made him move to Miami and replace Whiteside, he'd probably piss everyone off. :) Just watch him get under the skins of opponents. It's not hard to imagine him doing that with coaches and teammates if the structure wasn't there.

Portland has relatively few unique assets. The pockets aren't as deep as they once were. They haven't traditionally been a free agent player. Poor draft position. Only one superstar. What Portland does have is probably the best leader in the league in Lillard. I think it's a legit strategy to target other teams' talented basket cases so that we can leverage that leadership as much as possible.

It's kind of interesting to think what could have been if we had a mature Lillard in 2000 instead of Stoudamire. With Dame, Pip, Sabas and Smitty the Jail Blazer term never gets coined.

I think I'm going to spend then next 45 minutes imagining the 2000 WCF with Dame running point in the fourth quarter.
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I guess I am not very up top date on Miami; who was their well paid vet, AKA "cranky, weird center"? or am I mis-reading something?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I guess I am not very up top date on Miami; who was their well paid vet, AKA "cranky, weird center"? or am I mis-reading something?
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I'm describing Whiteside. I'm just saying he have been a terrible leader in Miami, and the team may have sucked with him out there.

The good news is that we didn't acquire him for leadership. We acquired him for rebounding and shot blocking, which seem to be exactly what he did in up years and down years.
 
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