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I actually think the roster we have is similar to what coach Bud had in Atlanta...not a lot of stars but a lot of success last season. They were playing really well in the east all last regular season and before last season, nobody thought they'd make the playoffs
 
Well its conditional.
If the Hawks regress to a fringe playoff team (which they very well could) they might want to get some sort of value since he's expiring, and they may want to go young. And it's a discussion of players who might be fucking available, not "fantasy island".

so we give up assets to acquire a guy who frankly is good but not great and is injury prone and who will turn 30 next June and will likely want a max contract of what? 20 mil per? doesn't sound to "fucking good" to me, more a nightmare than fantasy
 
so we give up assets to acquire a guy who frankly is good but not great and is injury prone and who will turn 30 next June and will likely want a max contract of what? 20 mil per? doesn't sound to "fucking good" to me, more a nightmare than fantasy
it is a discussion of possibly available players, yes? who do you see as possibly available that our assets give us a modicum of chance to aquire that might rate as great in your estimation? it is simply a whimsical exercise in fantasy to pass the deadzone till training camp. after shooting down horford , 3 time allstar with over 60 games of playoff experience, a year younger then the recently departed(tried to make it sound like he has passed on there) LA, a very good high post passing center(avg. between 3-4 assists throughout his career), that takes over half of his shots within 10 of the basket, and makes all his attempts at around 55%. who do you see as both available at the deadline and obtainable for what we could offer for them? perhaps horfords departure from Atlanta could be facilitated by us for a 3rd party as his salary is only $12 million and his career arc as you stated would be less similar to dames. just some other possibilities for you to ponder.
 
Threads like these always bring out the....nobody will want to come to Portland ...fans. They also usually assume that a player's production or role on their previous team will carry over to Stotts system. I think it's worth talking about but anything discussed is going to be a reach. So far Neil Olshey has shown the ability to attract interest from players just like Nate talked Crawford into coming here. These scenarios are all just plan B possibilities if players we are counting on don't produce results. CJ McCollum has yet to play an entire healthy season. That's my red flag with him. When it comes to star or allstars, Griffin would be the guy who Olshey could sweet talk more than Durant or LBJ

And it is the best time of the year for these types of threads too. Just something to pass the time while we are waiting for our boy Dame to drop another verse.
 
it is a discussion of possibly available players, yes? who do you see as possibly available that our assets give us a modicum of chance to aquire that might rate as great in your estimation? it is simply a whimsical exercise in fantasy to pass the deadzone till training camp. after shooting down horford , 3 time allstar with over 60 games of playoff experience, a year younger then the recently departed(tried to make it sound like he has passed on there) LA, a very good high post passing center(avg. between 3-4 assists throughout his career), that takes over half of his shots within 10 of the basket, and makes all his attempts at around 55%. who do you see as both available at the deadline and obtainable for what we could offer for them? perhaps horfords departure from Atlanta could be facilitated by us for a 3rd party as his salary is only $12 million and his career arc as you stated would be less similar to dames. just some other possibilities for you to ponder.
You forgot the part where impending few agency would lower his value, and where Atlanta might want to get younger dependant on how their season is going. And the part where his "career arc" would be longer than most because of the way he plays and the skills he has.
 
Bones? You didn't mention Horford was also 29. I see where your going, but it wont happen because the others are correct. This doesn't fit with putting the same age group around Dame. If Horford was MVP material, then the age wouldn't matter, like in KD's position. Otherwise, Im 99% sure NO isn't gonna bring in anyone that old.
Keep trying. :)
 
Bones? You didn't mention Horford was also 29. I see where your going, but it wont happen because the others are correct. This doesn't fit with putting the same age group around Dame. If Horford was MVP material, then the age wouldn't matter, like in KD's position. Otherwise, Im 99% sure NO isn't gonna bring in anyone that old.
Keep trying. :)
Again, I don't care that he's 29! The skills he has and the way he plays should keep him at borderline all star level for 5 years in my opinion. If not he'll be one of the best bigs off the bench in the league in 2020. And that's if we don't find other peices to contend before then
 
This "career arc" crap is getting completely overblown.
 
Again, I don't care that he's 29! The skills he has and the way he plays should keep him at borderline all star level for 5 years in my opinion. If not he'll be one of the best bigs off the bench in the league in 2020. And that's if we don't find other peices to contend before then

Its not about career arc, its about getting guys around Dame at the same age. You may not care that he is 29, but the front office probably does and aren't they the ones that really matter?


This "career arc" crap is getting completely overblown.

Agreed. with that said, read above.
 
Its not about career arc, its about getting guys around Dame at the same age. You may not care that he is 29, but the front office probably does and aren't they the ones that really matter.
Are you saying that the front office would turn dowm a great player with good fundamentals that'll last into his later 30 just because he's 29? I hope our front office isn't that dumb
 
Are you saying that the front office would turn dowm a great player with good fundamentals that'll last into his later 30 just because he's 29? I hope our front office isn't that dumb

Actually yes, unless there isn't any other option in the foreseeable future and I would call it smart. Not dumb. Its no secret players the same age get along better both on and off the court. I know your not that dumb. ;)
 
Actually yes, unless there isn't any other option in the foreseeable future and I would call it smart. Not dumb. Its no secret players the same age get along better both on and off the court. I know your not that dumb. ;)

I believe you are correct Orion with what we've heard from Neil Olshey.

According to Olshey, our team is going build around Dame in the following way:
“I think Dame wants to play with guys who want to be in Portland,” Olshey said. “When LaMarcus informed us he wasn’t coming back, we went full bore with guys on the same career arc as Damian Lillard. Damian is our best player. … We want to have guys that when we are successful, it can be sustainable. That they’re all going to grow with our best players and that that will become the new core of guys that we’re growing with."

Quote taken from https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-irrelevance-after-losing-lamarcus-aldridge/

In a different article, Olshey mentions our current model:
"He fits our model right now," Blazers President of Basketball Operations Neil Olshey said of Harkles. "He's an emerging young player. He's got a lot of talent. We think his best days are ahead of him as a basketball player."

"When LaMarcus warned us he wasn't coming back we went full bore with guys on the same career arc as Damian Lillard," Olshey explained on Wednesday night during halftime of the Blazers summer league game against the Minnesota Timberwolves.

"Damian's our best player right now, he's a two time All-Star. We're going to bring in players that compliment his skill set, how we want to play and that can grow with him as he continues to improve."

Quotes taken from http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2015/07/moe_harkless_trail_blazers.html
 
We're going young, my question is, when can we trade Mike Rice? (I just watched courtside, ouch!)
 
According to Olshey, our team is going build around Dame in the following way:


Quote taken from https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-irrelevance-after-losing-lamarcus-aldridge/

In a different article, Olshey mentions our current model:


Quote taken from http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2015/07/moe_harkless_trail_blazers.html

So you actually believe that Olshey would pass up a change at getting a good player because he's already "emerged"?

Some of you guys think we HAVE to wait 5 years to be good. And that we shouldn't take on good players that will play at the same level in the next few years because they're age doesn't "match with Dame's".
Actually yes, unless there isn't any other option in the foreseeable future and I would call it smart. Not dumb. Its no secret players the same age get along better both on and off the court. I know your not that dumb. ;)
Well this is assuming you can get him for cheap because of his expiring contact and assuming he'll want to resign. Otherwise, I wouldn't do it, but that's not because of the age thing.

He's one of the must professional guys in the league. Thered be no problems because he's 4 years older. Hopefully our locker room isn't that fragile.

My hope for next year is that we overachieve and are in the playoff hunt come trade deadline. Then we ship out Kaman, Henderson, Davis, Crabbe, future 1sts and filler for Horford and Bledsoe.

Bledsoe fits our "profile" and Horford is a perfect fit next to Meyers and Plumlee.

But if yall want to wait 5 years then alright. Guess we wouldn't explore such possibilities.
 
We're going young, my question is, when can we trade Mike Rice? (I just watched courtside, ouch!)

Mixed emotions about him. He seems to have sooo many fans, but man sometimes he is just blanked out at the games with long stints of silence. The other Mike seems to cover for him... searching the web or stuff like that, but. Uggh. Plus he is very jaded. I want honest commentators that will say a player sucks if he sucks, even if he is on the Blazers. Other than that, in years past, I have liked him. I think he is just getting too senial for this.
 
So you actually believe that Olshey would pass up a change at getting a good player because he's already "emerged"?

Some of you guys think we HAVE to wait 5 years to be good. And that we shouldn't take on good players that will play at the same level in the next few years because they're age doesn't "match with Dame's".

He might reconsider for a talent like Durant. Of course, that means he wants to come and finish his career in Portland.
 
Mixed emotions about him. He seems to have sooo many fans, but man sometimes he is just blanked out at the games with long stints of silence. The other Mike seems to cover for him... searching the web or stuff like that, but. Uggh. Plus he is very jaded. I want honest commentators that will say a player sucks if he sucks, even if he is on the Blazers. Other than that, in years past, I have liked him. I think he is just getting too senial for this.

I liked Steve "The Snapper" Jones when he was covering our team. He seemed genuine to me.
 
So you actually believe that Olshey would pass up a change at getting a good player because he's already "emerged"?

Some of you guys think we HAVE to wait 5 years to be good. And that we shouldn't take on good players that will play at the same level in the next few years because they're age doesn't "match with Dame's".
Well this is assuming you can get him for cheap because of his expiring contact and assuming he'll want to resign. Otherwise, I wouldn't do it, but that's not because of the age thing.

He's one of the must professional guys in the league. Thered be no problems because he's 4 years older. Hopefully our locker room isn't that fragile.

My hope for next year is that we overachieve and are in the playoff hunt come trade deadline. Then we ship out Kaman, Henderson, Davis, Crabbe, future 1sts and filler for Horford and Bledsoe.

Bledsoe fits our "profile" and Horford is a perfect fit next to Meyers and Plumlee.

But if yall want to wait 5 years then alright. Guess we wouldn't explore such possibilities.

I can fall in line with this thinking. I also hope our lockerroom isn't that fragile. Here is where I disagree though . Your saying a 5 year turnaround if we don't do something else now? I don't get the premise. The team as is has a three year window to make it or break it in my opinion.

My point is that I don't think NO is going to bring in anyone else older than Dame. We already have a few. EDIT: Unless it is a KD type of impact player.
 
I can fall in line with this thinking. I also hope our lockerroom isn't that fragile. Here is where I disagree though . Your saying a 5 year turnaround if we don't do something else now? I don't get the premise. The team as is has a three year window to make it or break it in my opinion.

My point is that I don't think NO is going to bring in anyone else older than Dame. We already have a few. EDIT: Unless it is a KD type of impact player.
Im not nesscarily saying it'll be a 5 year turnaround. The shorter the turnaround the more sense it makes to bring in a player like Horford
 
Im not nesscarily saying it'll be a 5 year turnaround. The shorter the turnaround the more sense it makes to bring in a player like Horford

I think there must be more options potentially at the trade deadline though. I do agree with the shorter turnaround then age doesn't matter as much, but when trying to put a team around Dame that can compete in three years and be around for 6? I don't think Horford fits that mold.
 
I think there must be more options potentially at the trade deadline though. I do agree with the shorter turnaround then age doesn't matter as much, but when trying to put a team around Dame that can compete in three years and be around for 6? I don't think Horford fits that mold.
Why doesnt he? He's an all star big with great fundamentals, defense, and he's efficient but still can spread the floor. He can play as an inside presence at center and can play as a stretch 4. He'd also be a great mentor for Meyers because of play style. In 3 years I think he'll still be at an all star level. In 6 I think he'll be a great big man option off the bench.
 
Horford would just put us right back on the treadmill of mediocrity. Too good for a decent pick, not good enough to be taken seriously.
 
Horford would just put us right back on the treadmill of mediocrity. Too good for a decent pick, not good enough to be taken seriously.
was thinking that horford's value to a contender at the deadline could lead to a three way deal with him as centerpiece and us acquiring an asset upgrade or picks as facillitaitor maybe. searching for those on the same career arc/age and star talent leaves a very shallow pool of potential players. would have to be signed on first post rookie scale, restricted free agent or still on rookie contract. pretty tough criteria to meet and find that player. greg Monroe was one of those players, Bledsoe in phoenix and Harrison barnes if they can't work out an extension. maybe bogut gets hurt(actually a better than even bet) and the front office wants the repeat from GS. horford's bird rights go with. draymond green still there, cap space might facilitate but ainge with all those draft picks and assets probably cuts us out of any potential deal for a team considering the rebuild. it is just difficult to even come up with a list of 5 1b stars that wouldn't threaten dame as the alpha, be young enough
to fit NO's age criteria, and be available.
 
We're just transitioning into the next generation of top tier players. Most are not household names now..look at Whiteside and Carroll and guys like that who are basically unknown factors until recently. We have a bunch of those guys now and time will tell who steps it up to become an allstar. We may already have a couple
 
We have to go super hard after Kevin Durant!!
I think Durant still might consider being snubbed by portland for oden in the draft. remember his comment after the blown goaltending call when asked after the game? "too fuckin' bad"
 

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