Who is better? Nurkic or Jokic?

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Mediocre Man said:
So are Dame and CJ not talented?
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Dame & CJ aren't the focus of this thread. Nurkic and Jokic are. We're comparing those two. The fact that Nurk's D is 10x better than Jokic's makes him more talented IMHO. Now, if you'd comprehend my post, you'd realize I wasn't saying Jokic wasn't talented. What I asked was if he played D. And yes, the answer is no.
 
dviss1 said:
Dame & CJ aren't the focus of this thread. Nurkic and Jokic are. We're comparing those two. The fact that Nurk's D is 10x better than Jokic's makes him more talented IMHO. Now, if you'd comprehend my post, you'd realize I wasn't saying Jokic wasn't talented. What I asked was if he played D. And yes, the answer is no.
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But Jokic is 10x more talented than Nurk on offense.

I think if you asked GMs, theyd all take Jokic over Nurkic.....right now
 
Mediocre Man said:
But Jokic is 10x more talented than Nurk on offense.

I think if you asked GMs, theyd all take Jokic over Nurkic.....right now
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We both know that's not true.

And you can read 28 other GM's minds?

I disagree with that completely. They might take Jokic because he's got more years left on his rookie deal but that's it IMO.
 
dviss1 said:
We both know that's not true.

And you can read 28 other GM's minds?

I disagree with that completely. They might take Jokic because he's got more years left on his rookie deal but that's it IMO.
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It's as true as your statement
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's as true as your statement
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What that Nurk is a far better Defender?

That's completely true.

Maybe I embellished on the 10x. But Jokic isn't THAT much better than Nurkic on Offense. He sure does wilt when the pressure is on though... Nurk steps up on O and D when his team needs to win a playoff spot. Jokic wilts in the most important game of his career.

There's something to be said about mindset.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
So are Dame and CJ not talented?
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It's much more important that your center is good defensively than your guards. They're the anchors down low. I will take the defensive center over the offensive one ten times out of ten.
 
We don't and did not need a player like Jokic because we have a playmaker in Lillard and he plays 35 mpg+. We needed someone who will make our defence stronger and Nurkic has been doing that for the past 6 weeks. He's also a scoring threat which helps us greatly and takes some burden off of Dame and CJ. Jokic would also provide that (and rebounding too) but he'd not provide the same sort of interior defense.

Jokic is a better scorer and passer. Nurkic is a better defender. Both are very good rebounders.
 
GDiama said:
Jokic and Nurkic were on the same team (which is the best comparison because it's same situation, same everything) and Jokic was by far the better player. I don't get what is the debate here. We are comparing two players that are on a different level. Like comparing Lebron with Paul George for example.

Jokic's skills with the ball are sick, his court vision and shooting touch are far superior to Nurkic's. His assists are not coming just from the offensive flow, he is many times rebounding and get the ball to the other side where he initiates the offense. He is a playmaker for Denver. Nurkic cannot do that. And Nurkic cannot shoot almost 60% from the field or 80% from the line or shoot the three.

As for their defense Nurkic has more tools there I agree, his built is superior and he has more length, but with him on the court Nuggets were - while with Jokic they are +, because their difference in the offensive end is HUGE.

I'm pretty sure most of you doing these comparisons have not watched Jokic play or maybe 1 or 2 games. The guy is a joy to watch. A true star for this league, up there with the best.

For those of us that we have watched him play and we don't see only RIP CITY through our glasses this comparison is garbage.
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On a team with few creators and limited perimeter shooting, Jokic definitely out-played Nurkic and it wasn't even close.

However, I do wonder if somebody with Jokic's skillset really lends itself to elite success co-existing with other elites. Sure, Dirk won a championship (only 1) but it was after Nash left. Durant never won with elite talent next to him in Westbrook/Harden. Seven footers with shooting guard skills sound nice, but does it really lead to rings?

Seems like big men dominating the middle have a much greater track record of success. I know the league is changing, getting smaller....I guess it gets back to re-hashing the old Oden-vs-Durant debate. One guy was supposed to win scoring records while the other won championships.

As talented as Jokic is, I definitely think he's a worse fit for our team than Nurk. Dame and CJ don't need clever passes to get open shots nearly as much as they need crushing screens and somebody who forces defenders to sag into the middle. Give them that extra half step and they'll create plenty for themselves (as we saw last night). Given how horrible they are as defenders, it's also no small thing to have a really good defensive center as well.
 
I would rather have a defensive minded center who can score in the post and pass a little than a perimeter offensive minded center who scores, passes and plays a little D even if he is the all-around better player skills wise.
 
I'd rather have both.

God that Jokic dude is so cerebral and skilled. Like a modern day CWebb, but in a more flabby body. He OWNS that elbow/high post area and Nurk is killer in P&R and can protect the rim. Add a somewhat decent PG to that duo, and you have prolly the best PF/C combo in the league.

Malone is stupid. Their GM is worse for not realizing this.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Agreed, he's not really anything like Dirk. CWebb is my comparison for him. But a bit taller and more doughy, and a lil less athletic.
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Right, but you can't compare a white player to a black player. It's some kind of mortal sin.
 
Sinobas said:
Right, but you can't compare a white player to a black player. It's some kind of mortal sin.
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It wasn't that, honestly. I paid attention to the guy for the first time last night and saw some okay jumpers and a euro center working on some range. Looked like Dirk me.
 
Scalma said:
Jokic is Marc Gasol without the defense. Nurkic is Marc Gasol.
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I like that better. Both have interesting, and impressive offensive games (Nurk is both graceful and completely not graceful when he shoots but when he's on he can't miss), but Nurk (I wanna call him Big Bear for some reason) can stop a center his size; Jokic can't. Plus, and the Denver players said it, he out for blood on the court. He has the killer instinct, I'd say to the level that Dame does. CJ is right there too but he's a showman.

Dame, CJ, and Nurkic in a former life:

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I want to give them both another year. Jeez. They both don't even have a full year of starting in the league yet.
 
Does it really matter who is better? The Blazers have a solid big man that hopefully will improve his game and be important for this franchise. Same with the Nuggets.

Why do we have to compare the two?


Although, all that said, I TOLD you we should've drafted Jusef Jokic instead of Meyers Leonard, but did any of you listen to me!?!?!
 
Scalma said:
It's much more important that your center is good defensively than your guards. They're the anchors down low. I will take the defensive center over the offensive one ten times out of ten.
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So Tyson Chandler over Kareem?
 
mook said:
On a team with few creators and limited perimeter shooting, Jokic definitely out-played Nurkic and it wasn't even close.

However, I do wonder if somebody with Jokic's skillset really lends itself to elite success co-existing with other elites. Sure, Dirk won a championship (only 1) but it was after Nash left. Durant never won with elite talent next to him in Westbrook/Harden. Seven footers with shooting guard skills sound nice, but does it really lead to rings?

Seems like big men dominating the middle have a much greater track record of success. I know the league is changing, getting smaller....I guess it gets back to re-hashing the old Oden-vs-Durant debate. One guy was supposed to win scoring records while the other won championships.

As talented as Jokic is, I definitely think he's a worse fit for our team than Nurk. Dame and CJ don't need clever passes to get open shots nearly as much as they need crushing screens and somebody who forces defenders to sag into the middle. Give them that extra half step and they'll create plenty for themselves (as we saw last night). Given how horrible they are as defenders, it's also no small thing to have a really good defensive center as well.
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I agree with the fit. We didn't really need more playmaking and offensive skills, we mostly needed interior defense and a guy that can toughen our team.

As for the skillset of Jokic and if it can lead to success I don't really know. Depends a lot on the team you land (Denver will keep him for the next 7 years at least), who coaches you and what talent you have around you. Maybe it's more difficult, more out of the box to build around a playmaking C and you need more pieces to fall in the right place, but we are talking about talent here. That's what I compared.

Jokic has his defensive issues, but I still believe he makes up for them on the offensive end by being really efficient. That's my opinion.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
It wasn't that, honestly. I paid attention to the guy for the first time last night and saw some okay jumpers and a euro center working on some range. Looked like Dirk me.
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Some ok jumpers? Dirk is one of the best mid range players in league history. His release is high and behind him enabling him to get his shot off against almost any kind of pressure. Being able to hit a set jumper is a skill many players have, but it doesn't make them compare to Nowitski.
 
Sinobas said:
Some ok jumpers? Dirk is one of the best mid range players in league history. His release is high and behind him enabling him to get his shot off against almost any kind of pressure. Being able to hit a set jumper is a skill many players have, but it doesn't make them compare to Nowitski.
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Ugh Jesus fucking Christ I forgot how insufferable people's POSTS were. You fucking win I don't know what I'm talking about. Jokic did not impress me at all; he was invisible.
 
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