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Run BJM said:
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I don't think that's fair.... nobody was saying Rudy was worth Rondo and I've heard that multiple times regarding Batum. Also, Rudy might be a very different player today if Trevor Ariza hadn't taken him out. He was never the same after that. He went from being one of the best rookies in the league to a complete scrub.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think that's fair.... nobody was saying Rudy was worth Rondo and I've heard that multiple times regarding Batum. Also, Rudy might be a very different player today if Trevor Ariza hadn't taken him out. He was never the same after that. He went from being one of the best rookies in the league to a complete scrub.
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Pretty sure a lot of you were saying you thought he'd be a top 5 SG. I remember you all telling me how much better he'd be than Monta Ellis lol. I'd say the hype was similar, the difference is Batum is a decent NBA player and could get even better while Fernandez is a fringe NBA player.
 
Rudy Mania was awesome

Already had some good hype when the Blazers drafted him

Then this happened

[video=youtube;MZh2eK5Mo-o]
 
Run BJM said:
Pretty sure a lot of you were saying you thought he'd be a top 5 SG. I remember you all telling me how much better he'd be than Monta Ellis lol. I'd say the hype was similar, the difference is Batum is a decent NBA player and could get even better while Fernandez is a fringe NBA player.
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I remember some posters saying the Roy should be traded so Rudy could start. It's on BBF.
 
Run BJM said:
Pretty sure a lot of you were saying you thought he'd be a top 5 SG. I remember you all telling me how much better he'd be than Monta Ellis lol. I'd say the hype was similar, the difference is Batum is a decent NBA player and could get even better while Fernandez is a fringe NBA player.
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He's a fringe NBA player now, he wasn't during his rookie season. The guy went from a high-flying, exciting, fun to watch, record breaking shooting guard to someone that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. And that transformation magically happened after he took a nasty fall and hurt his back. Back injuries are not something to scoff at. That's like saying a lot of us thought that Greg Oden was going to be a HOFer.
 
RoyToy said:
Rudy Mania was awesome

Already had some good hype when the Blazers drafted him

Then this happened

[video=youtube;MZh2eK5Mo-o]
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I was in Vegas at the MGM Grand sports' book watching that game. It was well after midnight Vegas time. When Rudy dunked it, I jumped up and shouted. I explained to the Knick fans from NYC next to us that I was a Blazer fan. They nodded and understood.

Oh Rudy, why did you Ariza wreck your career?
 
Natebishop3 said:
He's a fringe NBA player now, he wasn't during his rookie season. The guy went from a high-flying, exciting, fun to watch, record breaking shooting guard to someone that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. And that transformation magically happened after he took a nasty fall and hurt his back. Back injuries are not something to scoff at. That's like saying a lot of us thought that Greg Oden was going to be a HOFer.
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I had a Trevor Ariza avatar that said "Douche Bag" instead of "Lakers" across the jersey. DaRizzle went nuts over it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think Webster was overhyped... I think people just kept hoping beyond hope that we hadn't thrown away a chance to draft Paul or Williams. Unfortunately that draft was as bad or worse than the 2007 draft.
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Webster was completely overhyped on BBF. BrianfromWA was the leader of the Webster Brigade.

At least Batum has put up some stats that say he's worth more than a MLE contract.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He's a fringe NBA player now, he wasn't during his rookie season. The guy went from a high-flying, exciting, fun to watch, record breaking shooting guard to someone that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. And that transformation magically happened after he took a nasty fall and hurt his back. Back injuries are not something to scoff at. That's like saying a lot of us thought that Greg Oden was going to be a HOFer.
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He was a jumpshooting wing player who could get to the rim when the opportunity presented itself. Jason Richardson + a few inches. I know he got derailed, but he was never able to create his own shot. The hype was unreal for a guy who mostly only shot 3's, played mediocre defense, and generally wasn't above average at anything besides shooting.
 
Don't recall Webster being that hyped. I mean, he was a bit overhyped but about average for how fans view their young players. Rudy mania was off the charts and Batum is extreme at times but it seems like the majority have come down from that in the last 5-6 months.
 
Run BJM said:
He was a jumpshooting wing player who could get to the rim when the opportunity presented itself. Jason Richardson + a few inches. I know he got derailed, but he was never able to create his own shot. The hype was unreal for a guy who mostly only shot 3's, played mediocre defense, and generally wasn't above average at anything besides shooting.
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He had a great feel for the game. He made some unbelievable passes, and he had good athleticism, but Rudy's problem was his build. He's too thin. He just wasn't made for the beating that you can take in the NBA. I think if he was healthy and had played in the right system, he could have easily been a solid starter. The problem was that he played for McMillan who had him camped out on the perimeter shooting nothing but threes, and then the injury happened and he was never the same. He took less risks and became even more of a one-dimensional shooter. I agree that he didn't live up to the hype, and many of us had high expectations for him, but we never really go to see what Rudy could have been. The guy showed a lot of promise his rookie season, but it was all down hill from there.
 
[video=youtube;r3WSKgRf1xw]

This is the Rudy that everyone was in love with.
 
Man that Martell game in the preseason where he went off! What a game he had....... them we found out he broke his foot or something. All downhill from there.......
 
rudy's feel for the game was unreal as he routinely pulled off amazing plays. he was a lot of flash and something the team needed. it never really gets talked about but that ariza play was complete bush league and really did derail fernandez's career.
 
Most explosive scorer?

Felton after a Taco Bell & VooDoo donut binge.
 
bigbailes said:
rudy's feel for the game was unreal as he routinely pulled off amazing plays. he was a lot of flash and something the team needed. it never really gets talked about but that ariza play was complete bush league and really did derail fernandez's career.
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I can't stand when people try to explain Rudy sucking by one (not that hard) foul. Ariza barely did anything. That happens countless times every season. Rudy was, is, and always will be a gigantic pussy.
 
SecretAgentMan said:
I can't stand when people try to explain Rudy sucking by one (not that hard) foul. Ariza barely did anything. That happens countless times every season. Rudy was, is, and always will be a gigantic pussy.
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Not to say that he isn't at other times but he did have to have surgery after the season because of that. If you have ever had back problems then you know running and jumping sucks when your back is messed up.
 
SecretAgentMan said:
I can't stand when people try to explain Rudy sucking by one (not that hard) foul. Ariza barely did anything. That happens countless times every season. Rudy was, is, and always will be a gigantic pussy.
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wow i appreciate that you don't mince words but have you ever had back issues? i've only had some very minor ones (ie randomly throwing it out) and it hurts like hell and is debilitating. add onto it that rudy's body is very slight in frame and not use to the abuse of an 82 game schedule and i think it's pretty obvious why he dropped off so quickly. but if it makes you feel better to call him "a gigantic pussy" go ahead!
 
bigbailes said:
wow i appreciate that you don't mince words but have you ever had back issues? i've only had some very minor ones (ie randomly throwing it out) and it hurts like hell and is debilitating. add onto it that rudy's body is very slight in frame and not use to the abuse of an 82 game schedule and i think it's pretty obvious why he dropped off so quickly. but if it makes you feel better to call him "a gigantic pussy" go ahead!
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I've actually had back problems VERY similar to Rudy's, and if I was a professional athlete or had the extra money lying around, I might have gotten the same surgery he did. Rudy was a pussy before his injury, so I'm inclined to think that him being a pussy is more relevant to his decline than a minor back injury. He was always a pussy physically and mentally, and always will be.
 
SecretAgentMan said:
I've actually had back problems VERY similar to Rudy's, and if I was a professional athlete or had the extra money lying around, I might have gotten the same surgery he did. Rudy was a pussy before his injury, so I'm inclined to think that him being a pussy is more relevant to his decline than a minor back injury. He was always a pussy physically and mentally, and always will be.
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hahaha ... one man's opinion. there's a reason people were drooling over the guy even before the 08 olympics and he was well on his way to being a decent player before the injury. did it mess with his head some and made him a little more leery about driving? maybe and that would mean he was weak in the head. obviously we all know about his slight frame and that takes a toll as well. and if it was because his bff, sergio left, then he really was weak in the head and not worth the fuss. but just looking at the numbers, it's hard to say that the ariza flagrant foul didn't have a decent role in his demise.
 
If you watch the video, the guy fell so that most of the impact was on his lower back. Afterwards he just laid there and couldn't move. As others have said, I've had back problems and actually I'm dealing with minor back pain right now. It's not like hurting a knee or a hand. As much as those injuries hurt, they can be repaired and you can play through it. Back injuries can ruin your life. They can be completely debilitating. It sucks because I was just starting to work out again and then I hurt my back. What exercises can you do with a back injury? You can't run. You can't jump. Rudy used to play with reckless abandon and after that injury we never saw that again. I don't blame him.
 
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