OT Who is the most overrated NBA hall-of-famer?

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With 5 men on the floor, the average contribution is 20%. If you do 33% of the job, you're a great player. The standard is low to be considered dominant. So most great players are overrated in a 5-man sport.

You guys should have seen Jabbar as a Buck. Every play went to him, and he produced. Don't evaluate him by his quiet Laker years. Unless you carry the team on most plays, you're overrated. That's why tennis players should be given prominence in the NBA. You don't just pass off to a teammate when there are no teammates.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
And I would contest that claim vehemently. Rodman made 8 consecutive all defense teams, and led the league in rebounding (per game) 7 straight years, including the 4 highest RPG seasons in the three-point era--at 6'7". Rodman, in my mind, is criminally underrated by most.
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He led the nation in scoring in college.
 
jlprk said:
With 5 men on the floor, the average contribution is 20%. If you do 33% of the job, you're a great player. The standard is low to be considered dominant. So most great players are overrated in a 5-man sport.

You guys should have seen Jabbar as a Buck. Every play went to him, and he produced. Don't evaluate him by his quiet Laker years. Unless you carry the team on most plays, you're overrated. That's why tennis players should be given prominence in the NBA. You don't just pass off to a teammate when there are no teammates.
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What was George Mikan like to watch?

Kareem never looked like he was running back on defense with any purpose.

 
Natebishop3 said:
Yao Ming.

A career 19 and 9 player who only had three seasons where he was in 80+ games. Constantly injured. He really only had one HOF worthy season, and two All-Star caliber seasons. The guy was extremely overrated. I remember watching him in the Olympics once, and he was a ghost. The guy was 7'6 and he was practically invisible without the NBA system protecting him.
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+1.

Only an allstar because of chinese votes.
 
Mitch Richmond too. Run TMC was overrated as shit and his career following was not that spectacular.
 
Of the more recent inductees, I would agree with El Prez and say Mitch Richmond.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Mitch Richmond too. Run TMC was overrated as shit and his career following was not that spectacular.
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Richmond was a six time all star for the Kings. You must be thinking of someone else.

If I were to compare him with a player today, it'd be Melo. He was big and strong for his position and scored at will.
 
Denny Crane said:
Richmond was a six time all star for the Kings. You must be thinking of someone else.

If I were to compare him with a player today, it'd be Melo. He was big and strong for his position and scored at will.
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Sure, 6 time all star on a perpetually shitty team. Then he rode the Gravy Train to a ring with the Lakers.

That's not HOF material.
 
This is how Mitch Richmond's teams did while he was on the Kings being a "6 time all-star".

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in three seasons of college ball, he scored 26, 26.8, and 24.4 PPG. Rodman did.
 
Denny Crane said:
He was still an all star six straight seasons for them. He didn't turn to shit after leaving GSW...
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Yeah, I guess he was a volume scorer on a terrible team. There's no way his career should be a Hall of Fame career though. Shit, didn't even break .500. He played in 23 playoff games total. Lillard's already played 27 games in the playoffs.
 
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The point is to pick the worst of the best. Saying Mitch Richmond isn't Hall of Fame in our mind doesn't mean he isn't damn, damn good. Someone is the worst of the best of recent inductees. Mitch might just be that person unless you can point out someone else.
 
Denny Crane said:
He led the nation in scoring in college.
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Which nation is that? He didn't even play NCAA Division I ball. I once averaged over 40 ppg and 20 rpg in a rec league, Does that count, too?

Denny Crane said:
in three seasons of college ball, he scored 26, 26.8, and 24.4 PPG. Rodman did.
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Then he definitely did not lead the nation in scoring. Those three seasons, the official NCAA Division I scoring leaders were:

1983-84 - Joe Jaubic, Akron - 30.1 ppg
1984-85 - Xavier McDaniel, Wichita State - 27.2 ppg
1985-86 - Terrance Bailey, Wagner, 29.2 ppg

So, not only was Rodman playing in the much weaker Division II, guys playing in Division I scored more points per game than he did.

BNM
 
Mediocre Man said:
This was mine too
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Again, it's the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame. Can you name 5 players that had a better college career than Walton. Jabbar/Alcindor is one. After that, maybe Sampson, if you only consider individual achievements, or Laettner if you only consider team success, but if you consider both individual achievements and team success, Walton trumps them both.

Throw in Walton's two NBA titles, MVP award and finals MVP award and his overall body of work is HoF worthy.

BNM
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Mitch Richmond too. Run TMC was overrated as shit and his career following was not that spectacular.
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I also thought of Richmond. Good individual stats, and I'd forgotten he'd even won a ring with the Lakers. Then I looked up his post season stats and it became clear why I'd forgotten his championship season. He played a total of 4 minutes in the playoffs that year.

He did average at least 21.9 ppg every year for the first 10 years of his NBA career. Even though that was mostly on bad teams, that is a significant achievement. Not sure if it's HoF worthy, but not many guys have done that.

BNM
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Link please? Perhaps the NAIA but not the nation as a whole in College.
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He scored 26.8 ppg in 84-85, Xavier McDonald outscored him, 27.2 PPG.

I remember he led the nation in scoring. Must be that he lost the scoring lead in the end.

Anyhow, the point is he was a huge scorer in college. Didn't look like a scorer in the pros, though he had 30/20 games, which are rare.

He led the NBA in rebounding for 7 straight seasons, averaging 16.7 per game for that whole stretch.

He literally was the best rebounder since guys who played in the 1960s and grabbed ridiculous numbers of rebounds.
 
Denny Crane said:
He scored 26.8 ppg in 84-85, Xavier McDonald outscored him, 27.2 PPG.

I remember he led the nation in scoring. Must be that he lost the scoring lead in the end.

Anyhow, the point is he was a huge scorer in college. Didn't look like a scorer in the pros, though he had 30/20 games, which are rare.

He led the NBA in rebounding for 7 straight seasons, averaging 16.7 per game for that whole stretch.

He literally was the best rebounder since guys who played in the 1960s and grabbed ridiculous numbers of rebounds.
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I not arguing that he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. I think he absolutely deserves it.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Again, it's the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame. Can you name 5 players that had a better college career than Walton. Jabbar/Alcindor is one. After that, maybe Sampson, if you only consider individual achievements, or Laettner if you only consider team success, but if you consider both individual achievements and team success, Walton trumps them both.

Throw in Walton's two NBA titles, MVP award and finals MVP award and his overall body of work is HoF worthy.

BNM
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Agree. He may be most overrated. Still fantastic
 
I was unimpressed with Richmond even when he played. Ditto for many Don Nelson stars...flashy/muscular offenses, while losing games. Stotts needs to improve his defense or he'll get classified in the same boat.

I loved Walton, who played heroically.
 
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