Who thought the NW Division battle would be between Utah and OKC?

[KingSpeed]

Bosh wouldn't help them that much. He's not a center.

Are you fucking kidding me? Bosh wouldn't help them?? Bosh is one of the best big men in the league, whether you call him a center or a PF. He can play either position. Wow.

 

[THE HCP]

Jack has turned out to be a terrific player. He's definitely better than Bayless. And if we kept Jack, we could've also kept Rush.

terrific |təˈrifik|
adjective
1 of great size, amount, or intensity : there was a terrific bang.
• informal extremely good; excellent : it's been such a terrific day | you look terrific.
2 archaic causing terror.
DERIVATIVES
terrifically |-ik(ə)lē| adverb : [as submodifier ] she's been terrifically busy lately.
ORIGIN mid 17th cent. (sense 2) : from Latin terrificus, from terrere ‘frighten.’

 

[craigehlo]

I think that, even with another injury, if his heart is in it, he'll bounce back and have a decent career (like Grant Hill) but he won't be the greatest center in a generation like he was advertised to be.

He's already not in that "generational center" category I have a feeling. These injuries take take him away from development and conditioning for too long. He's gone back to square one twice already. One more and I have a feeling this franchise will need to move on from him.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Kevin Durant: Super-fucking-star ... wow!

 

[tlongII]

Are you fucking kidding me? Bosh wouldn't help them?? Bosh may be the best big man in the league (after Duncan maybe),whether you call him a center or a PF. He can play either position. Wow.

Where does Jeff Green play then? Bosh would not help that much. If they played him at center they'd still be soft in the middle. I guess you've been blinded by all of those fantastic seasons that Bosh has led the Raptors to.

 

[STOMP]

Where did I say anything about his current injuries affecting him long-term? Are you just making me say things you want me to say? I merely said, one more major injury (where he is out for the year), than i believe his career is essentially over because his body just can't hold up. I never said anything about his current/past injuries, any injury that takes him out long-term, whatever it may be, will probably end Oden's run at being a true/impact player in the NBA.

why get in such a huff? I only responded to what you wrote

I disagree with what I think you're saying in this latest post too. Everyone is fragile... our health is a tenuous balance and hoops is a rough game. If (for instance) Greg is upended and takes a nasty fall dislocating an elbow next season (like Bogut), thats not him being fragile. Players somewhat randomly suffer injuries and then often go many years without suffering another. If he were to tear knee ligaments like Shaun Livingston I'd be much more concerned for his long term prospects... thank goodness nothing truly major like that has happened

STOMP

 

[craigehlo]

Bosh would give the Thunder a legit post player. I like Green, but he's got more of a SF game. With Bosh they could move KD to SG and Green to SF. That's a big, scary lineup with one of the best young PGs in the NBA.

 

[KingSpeed]

terrific |təˈrifik|
adjective
1 of great size, amount, or intensity : there was a terrific bang.
• informal extremely good; excellent : it's been such a terrific day | you look terrific.
2 archaic causing terror.
DERIVATIVES
terrifically |-ik(ə)lē| adverb : [as submodifier ] she's been terrifically busy lately.
ORIGIN mid 17th cent. (sense 2) : from Latin terrificus, from terrere ‘frighten.’

11 ppg, 5 apg in 27 mpg. 2 tpg. 48% shooting, 41% three point shooting, 84% free throws shooting

Jack was unfairly hated around here. I remember he had a 20/10 game off the BENCH against the Lakers and people still wanted him gone.

 

[KingSpeed]

Where does Jeff Green play then? Bosh would not help that much. If they played him at center they'd still be soft in the middle. I guess you've been blinded by all of those fantastic seasons that Bosh has led the Raptors to.

He's led them to the playoffs a few times without any legit 2nd scorer.

Bosh is better than Green.

 

[THE HCP]

Eric, I've been wandering around 3rd street here in Santa Monica looking for you all night!

 

[KingSpeed]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl.../insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Bosh has the 4th best PER in the league. I can't find Green on the list.

Durant is third.

So the Thunder would have two of the top four PER's in the league. Instant title contenders.

 

[KingSpeed]

Eric, I've been wandering around 3rd street here in Santa Monica looking for you all night!

LOL! Wanna go play the midnight poker tournament with me at the Bicycle Casino tonight?

 

[Draco]

Fair or not, KP made the call of Oden after reviewing his medical files and he'll ultimately pay the price for the blunder.

That's pretty stupid. Every GM in the league would have picked Oden.

 

[BlazerBeav]

11 ppg, 5 apg in 27 mpg. 2 tpg. 48% shooting, 41% three point shooting, 84% free throws shooting

11 points and 5 assists per game is now what qualifies one as a "terrific player"?! Really?

 

[THE HCP]

LOL! Wanna go play the midnight poker tournament with me at the Bicycle Casino tonight?

No thanks! Gambling is against my religion!

 

[craigehlo]

That's pretty stupid. Every GM in the league would have picked Oden.

If every GM jumped off a bridge...

Again, life's not fair. All of those coaches would probably suffered the same fate too.

 

[THE HCP]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl.../insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Bosh has the 4th best PER in the league. I can't find Green on the list.

Durant is third.

So the Thunder would have two of the top four PER's in the league. Instant title contenders.

I love that we have 4 players in the top 50!

#8- Greg
#16-Brandon
#40-Nic
#44-Dre

 

[KingSpeed]

11 points and 5 assists per game is now what qualifies one as a "terrific player"?! Really?

in 28 mpg? Sure. And how many 48/41/84 players on the league? Not many. That is efficient shooting. He's definitely beter than Bayless.

 

[KingSpeed]

No thanks! Gambling is against my religion!

Unfortunately, I can't make it to the game tomorrow. I'm going to the Bones 100th Episode party.

 

[craigehlo]

He's definitely beter than Bayless.

I think it's a slight edge to Jack right now. If you consider the salaries, it's Bayless no question. Toronto's spending spree this summer was crazy. Jack's getting about 5 million per year until 2012/13.

 

[Draco]

He's already not in that "generational center" category I have a feeling. These injuries take take him away from development and conditioning for too long. He's gone back to square one twice already. One more and I have a feeling this franchise will need to move on from him.

What the hell does this mean? Are we going to let him walk as a restricted free agent?

He probably will never live up to the draft hype but he could still end up being a serviceable player for years. I don't understand why just because a player falls short of unrealistic expectations some people want the team to drop him irrespective of what we would get in return.

If he is injured the next 4 years but then has one year where he is a beast and we contend for a title I'll be happy with what we get out of him. Do I want more? You betcha! But it's stupid to completely chalk off an asset just because it's less valuable than you initially projected.

 

[KingSpeed]

I love that we have 4 players in the top 50!

#8- Greg
#16-Brandon
#40-Nic
#44-Dre

I think we're the only team with 4.

 

[STOMP]

in 28 mpg? Sure. And how many 48/41/84 players on the league? Not many. That is efficient shooting. He's definitely beter than Bayless.

you were just listing seasonal PERs in another post in this thread, why don't you list them for these two guys? Okay, I'll do it for you... Jack 15.9 Bayless 15.0

I'd also suggest that age be considered if you're doing a comparison of the two. JB is just 21 years old while Jack is 26. JJ was a 4 year college guy starting his NBA career at 22 years old. In his 2nd year in the league Jarrett's PER was 14.5 which was the 2nd highest of his 5 year career trailing only this season... his career average is 13.8.

so better today? I guess... but overall a strong case could be made that Bayless is tracking well ahead. In his 2nd season in the league at an age Jack was still in college he's enjoying a season with a better PER then all but one of Jack's 5 seasons. If he improves only half as much next season as he did from last JB will be clearly the superior player.

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

What the hell does this mean? Are we going to let him walk as a restricted free agent?

He probably will never live up to the draft hype but he could still end up being a serviceable player for years. I don't understand why just because a player falls short of unrealistic expectations some people want the team to drop him irrespective of what we would get in return.

If he is injured the next 4 years but then has one year where he is a beast and we contend for a title I'll be happy with what we get out of him. Do I want more? You betcha! But it's stupid to completely chalk off an asset just because it's less valuable than you initially projected.

if the thinking you're responding to ruled when Walton was with the club Portland would have no titles. Thankfully Greg has nothing chronically bad like big Bill had with his feet.

STOMP

 

[craigehlo]

if the thinking you're responding to ruled when Walton was with the club Portland would have no titles. Thankfully Greg has nothing chronically bad like big Bill had with his feet.

It's tough to develop chronic issues when you can't even stay on the court.

 

[STOMP]

It's tough to develop chronic issues when you can't even stay on the court.

not surprised you don't know history. Bill's foot issues went back to childhood

STOMP

 

[MadeFromDust]

That's pretty stupid. Every GM in the league would have picked Oden.

You can rationalize it any way you want, but the cold truth is we fucked up royally. Durant's doing this at 21, imagine him at 25. Meanwhile I wouldn't even be surprised if Oden was out of the league by then. This is going to haunt us for a long time.

 

[MrJayremmie]

Where does Jeff Green play then? Bosh would not help that much. If they played him at center they'd still be soft in the middle. I guess you've been blinded by all of those fantastic seasons that Bosh has led the Raptors to.

Green plays PF for them...

The lineup would be...

Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Green, Bosh

Top 3 starting lineup in the NBA, and all incredibly young. So yeah, they would have a shot at a crazy good championship run for many years.

 

[illmatic99]

Has the NBA ever admitted something like this before?

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi.../nba_admits_mistake_on_miles_foul_of_durant/#

Joel Litvin, NBA President, League and Basketball Operations, issued the following statement regarding the final seconds of the Oklahoma City Thunder at Utah Jazz game last night at EnergySolutions Arena:

"On the final play of last night’s Oklahoma City-Utah game, the officials missed a foul committed by the Jazz’s C.J. Miles on the Thunder’s Kevin Durant during a three-point shot attempt.”

I just wonder if they would have done such a thing if that shot wasn't taken by a guy of Durant's caliber. The biggest issue now is that the refs don't give the Thunder bullshit make up calls. Just as sad is that they nonchalantly omit the fact that Durant got two free throws as a gift on the possession prior.

 

[BGrantFan]

Has the NBA ever admitted something like this before?

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi.../nba_admits_mistake_on_miles_foul_of_durant/#



I just wonder if they would have done such a thing if that shot wasn't taken by a guy of Durant's caliber. The biggest issue now is that the refs don't give the Thunder bullshit make up calls. Just as sad is that they nonchalantly omit the fact that Durant got two free throws as a gift on the possession prior.

That's just like the announcement the NBA made after Steve Smith got hammered by Shaq in the lane, with the Blazers down by 3 points, and there being less than a minute to play in Game 7 of the WCF!

Why would the NBA even put this out about Durant getting fouled? Is Clay Bennett giving Stern free hookers as a reward for letting Clay fuck over Seattle?