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Assuming we stay at 11, who are your favorites?

Kon, Kasparas, and Queen will almost certainly be gone by the time we pick.

More realistically I'm really liking Murray-Boyles. I'm not concerned with fit. BPA. He seems like a huge impact player.

I also like Essengue and Clifford.
 
Assuming we stay at 11, who are your favorites?

Kon, Kasparas, and Queen will almost certainly be gone by the time we pick.

More realistically I'm really liking Murray-Boyles. I'm not concerned with fit. BPA. He seems like a huge impact player.

I also like Essengue and Clifford.
Best player available. Don't even take position into consideration.
 
Agreed. Except maybe small point guard?

I'm hoping Fears is taken in the top 10.
I've got to think there's going to be somebody on board with more potential than a small point guard... But yeah, good point...
 
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I got to think there's going to be somebody on board with more potential than a small point guard... But yeah, good point...

Is he really that small for a PG? He is the same height as Scoot. He is only 18, so he will add weight.
 
Thought there was a couple mocks that had Queen going to us.

Think we're all scarred from tiny poor defensive guards so would prefer we don't pick that type of player.

I will say is one great thing with our defense is we probably have flexibility to draft a good offensive player with poor D as we have the players to cover that. Especially so if we trade away Ant.

At #11 your just hoping to hit and get a useful rotation player or even better yet a starter. I'm not really thinking there's a chance we get a star - but who knows.
 
Agree but I think we trade this pick.
What players do you think would be available for the #11?

Unless you mean for other picks. I like this draft to ~ pick 30. I don't like the second round prospects...

So I could see a trade with OKC of 11 for 15+24
 
Thought there was a couple mocks that had Queen going to us.

Think we're all scarred from tiny poor defensive guards so would prefer we don't pick that type of player.

I will say is one great thing with our defense is we probably have flexibility to draft a good offensive player with poor D as we have the players to cover that. Especially so if we trade away Ant.

At #11 your just hoping to hit and get a useful rotation player or even better yet a starter. I'm not really thinking there's a chance we get a star - but who knows.
Agreed. Can't count on star at 11. That's not fair to the kid.
 
Thought there was a couple mocks that had Queen going to us.

Think we're all scarred from tiny poor defensive guards so would prefer we don't pick that type of player.

I will say is one great thing with our defense is we probably have flexibility to draft a good offensive player with poor D as we have the players to cover that. Especially so if we trade away Ant.

At #11 your just hoping to hit and get a useful rotation player or even better yet a starter. I'm not really thinking there's a chance we get a star - but who knows.

There are stars always drafted after 10 in nearly every draft. Is it hard to find? Sure, but a lot more common than we're giving credit for.
 
There are stars always drafted after 10 in nearly every draft. Is it hard to find? Sure, but a lot more common than we're giving credit for.
It's not common when you consider the range those stars are taken in. It's just dumb luck.

It's incredibly uncommon to land a star with any single pick that late.

I hope we do it, but the reality is we'd probably be lucky to find the next Simons that late.
 
I honestly do not know cause while #11 matters it's in the shadow ( big fucking one at that ) of what can Cronin do with the likes of Ayton , Grant and Ant for this offseason. I mean unless Cronin can clean up this mess of a roster HE created BTW then the 11th pick could mean very little cause where will this rookie get playing time if Cronin does the bare minimum ?

This is why this team needed to tank at least for the last month to 6 weeks of the season but we are where we are now it's time for Cronin to EARN that extension -- period -- now that is the cold hard truth
 
It's not common when you consider the range those stars are taken in. It's just dumb luck.

It's incredibly uncommon to land a star with any single pick that late.

I hope we do it, but the reality is we'd probably be lucky to find the next Simons that late.

Of course luck has something to do with it but when you look at history, there were many stars drafted after 10. They are almost always there but it's incredibly difficult to pinpoint them.

We should be excited at adding another good young talent to our core.
 
Ideally you get guys who can share the floor together. While Scoot has been showing his defensive prowess, I wouldn't want him to share the vanity


Of course luck has something to do with it but when you look at history, there were many stars drafted after 10. They are almost always there but it's incredibly difficult to pinpoint them.

We should be excited at adding another good young talent to our core.
I'm excited that it's possible.

I'm not excited about the odds of it actually happening. It's very unlikely.
 
I would like to see the magic pull an Olshey and trade their 16 and 25 for our 11. Use 16 on hopefully Rasheer Fleming and then use 26 on Nique Clifford or Will Riley.
 
I would like to see the magic pull an Olshey and trade their 16 and 25 for our 11. Use 16 on hopefully Rasheer Fleming and then use 26 on Nique Clifford or Will Riley.

I'd much rather see the Magic trade 16 + KCP to the Blazers for Simons. Then Blazers either keep both picks or use 11+16 to move up to 7 or 8
 
Tankathon has us taking Asa Newell. Seems like a lob threat and possible future stretch 4. I think if there’s another Deni trade to be made that’s the first option.
 
I'd much rather see the Magic trade 16 + KCP to the Blazers for Simons. Then Blazers either keep both picks or use 11+16 to move up to 7 or 8

Are you targeting anyone in particular at 7 or 8? I agree with keeping both picks, but I am not sure there is any difference between
7 and 11.
 
Are you targeting anyone in particular at 7 or 8? I agree with keeping both picks, but I am not sure there is any difference between
7 and 11.

I don't 'target' players. My ability to translate talent from the college game to the NBA is poor. I do like the odds and probabilities higher in the draft order

mostly, I will notice college players when they play the Ducks. I really wanted the Blazers to get Brandon Roy; I knew nothing about his knees though. I remember seeing Aldridge in a couple of college games. He was a bit impressive but I wondered about using the 2nd pick on him. I liked Harden at ASU and he had a couple of big games against Oregon. I thought he was a bit of a chucker, but I had no idea he'd be as good as he turned out to be. I knew Kevin Love would be good. I liked Markkanen but did not like Ayton. I thought him going #1 was a joke
 
After digging a little more, I'm leaning towards Murray-Boyles. His combine measurements are out: Collin Murray-Boyles has a wingspan of 7'0 3/4". This was recorded at the NBA Draft Combine, along with his height of 6'6 1/2" barefoot and weight of 239.2 lbs, and a standing reach of 8'10 1/2"
These are much better than Draymond Green. He is just barely 20.

Here is a scouting report from the Ringer, seems pretty fair, they only rate him the 17th best in this draft. But whenever I see the word "motor" in a report, my ears perk up:
It might not be a smart move trying to pitch the idea of Murray-Boyles in an elevator. He’s a remarkable defender who blends instinct and intelligence with strength, catlike reflexes, and lateral agility that’s unique for his frame. But … he’s a tweener (strike one) who doesn’t really shoot (strike two) and whose obvious playmaking vision and instincts are stymied by a neutral assist-to-turnover ratio (strike three)—without the absurd athleticism that allowed a player like Zion Williamson to transcend such mortal limitations (OK, we’re done here, pal).

There aren’t too many success stories in the NBA with a prospect profile like CMB’s. That’s a significant barrier; teams are looking for precedents to follow. Just watch him play, though. It isn’t hard to imagine Murray-Boyles as a Swiss Army knife in the pick-and-roll on both sides of the ball. He can rumble into a blitz, creating havoc for the ball handler with his quick hands and broad frame; he can operate in the two-man game himself as either the initiator or the roller. He has the quickest hands in the class and would be a terror as a help defender digging at the nail. CMB’s brand of versatility may be unorthodox, but his particular gifts and outright motor could give shape to a defense.

On offense, Murray-Boyles is a handful in the post, where his power, footwork, and passing vision really shine. Of course, there aren’t many teams in the NBA clamoring for a 6-foot-7 post hub these days. South Carolina has given CMB plenty of room to explore the limits of his offensive repertoire—his usage rate is up there with the biggest names in college basketball. His on-ball creation is still a work in progress, as evidenced by his turnovers, but for a player with his oxlike frame, Murray-Boyles has shown the ability to vary his drives by changing speeds and accentuating either his touch or his bullying force, depending on the situation.

As reductive as it sounds, CMB’s trajectory could very well come down to his shooting. Draymond Green once had positional concerns despite outstanding defensive aptitude, but his gradual improvements from behind the arc (and a David Lee hamstring injury) ultimately helped him get his foot in the door at Golden State. It’ll be an uphill climb for Murray-Boyles, but teams have been looking for their own personal Draymonds for more than a decade, and CMB actually has the skill set, not just the chalk outline of one, to make it happen.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
 
After digging a little more, I'm leaning towards Murray-Boyles. His combine measurements are out: Collin Murray-Boyles has a wingspan of 7'0 3/4". This was recorded at the NBA Draft Combine, along with his height of 6'6 1/2" barefoot and weight of 239.2 lbs, and a standing reach of 8'10 1/2"
These are much better than Draymond Green. He is just barely 20.

Here is a scouting report from the Ringer, seems pretty fair, they only rate him the 17th best in this draft. But whenever I see the word "motor" in a report, my ears perk up:
It might not be a smart move trying to pitch the idea of Murray-Boyles in an elevator. He’s a remarkable defender who blends instinct and intelligence with strength, catlike reflexes, and lateral agility that’s unique for his frame. But … he’s a tweener (strike one) who doesn’t really shoot (strike two) and whose obvious playmaking vision and instincts are stymied by a neutral assist-to-turnover ratio (strike three)—without the absurd athleticism that allowed a player like Zion Williamson to transcend such mortal limitations (OK, we’re done here, pal).

There aren’t too many success stories in the NBA with a prospect profile like CMB’s. That’s a significant barrier; teams are looking for precedents to follow. Just watch him play, though. It isn’t hard to imagine Murray-Boyles as a Swiss Army knife in the pick-and-roll on both sides of the ball. He can rumble into a blitz, creating havoc for the ball handler with his quick hands and broad frame; he can operate in the two-man game himself as either the initiator or the roller. He has the quickest hands in the class and would be a terror as a help defender digging at the nail. CMB’s brand of versatility may be unorthodox, but his particular gifts and outright motor could give shape to a defense.

On offense, Murray-Boyles is a handful in the post, where his power, footwork, and passing vision really shine. Of course, there aren’t many teams in the NBA clamoring for a 6-foot-7 post hub these days. South Carolina has given CMB plenty of room to explore the limits of his offensive repertoire—his usage rate is up there with the biggest names in college basketball. His on-ball creation is still a work in progress, as evidenced by his turnovers, but for a player with his oxlike frame, Murray-Boyles has shown the ability to vary his drives by changing speeds and accentuating either his touch or his bullying force, depending on the situation.

As reductive as it sounds, CMB’s trajectory could very well come down to his shooting. Draymond Green once had positional concerns despite outstanding defensive aptitude, but his gradual improvements from behind the arc (and a David Lee hamstring injury) ultimately helped him get his foot in the door at Golden State. It’ll be an uphill climb for Murray-Boyles, but teams have been looking for their own personal Draymonds for more than a decade, and CMB actually has the skill set, not just the chalk outline of one, to make it happen.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
Here is his tankathon rating: I like all those little green circles,
https://www.tankathon.com/players/collin-murray-boyles
 
I would like to see the magic pull an Olshey and trade their 16 and 25 for our 11. Use 16 on hopefully Rasheer Fleming and then use 26 on Nique Clifford or Will Riley.
Fleming and Clifford out of this draft would be my dream scenario. Love both of them.
 
Fleming and Clifford out of this draft would be my dream scenario. Love both of them.

I like Fleming but he has little to no creation ability. Easier to develop a jumper than creation ability. Also why I like Queen.
 
I like Fleming but he has little to no creation ability. Easier to develop a jumper than creation ability. Also why I like Queen.
All but a couple guy's in this draft have obvious weaknesses, or they wouldn't fall to our range. For a team that wants to be built around the defense and needs more outside shooters, Queen isn't the guy. For my money, to use a pick this high on a big, he has to be better at defending the paint and rebounding.
 
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