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magnifier661 said:
The spirit has no DNA. God is of spirit; and sense Jesus was also man; he was of flesh, but god in spirit.
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How do you know these things? is there a passage that says God has no DNA? We are made in the image of god, and since we have DNA, why wouldn't god have DNA?
 
GOD said:
How do you know these things? is there a passage that says God has no DNA? We are made in the image of god, and since we have DNA, why wouldn't god have DNA?
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Because the bible says the spirit is separate from flesh. Flesh is of DNA, so I just made a pretty good educated guess.
 
magnifier661 said:
You are thinking that god is bound by our natural laws. I would assume its pretty easy for someone that had the ability to create a universe would be able to seed a virgin.
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but if he was showing a miracle, instead of seeding Mary, shouldn't god have chosen something even stranger, like a goose or Carrottop? If a man was born of a goose and said he was the son of god, I would tend to believe it. But being born of a chick who claims she didn't do the nasty, too many reasons to lie.
 
GOD said:
but if he was showing a miracle, instead of seeding Mary, shouldn't god have chosen something even stranger, like a goose or Carrottop? If a man was born of a goose and said he was the son of god, I would tend to believe it. But being born of a chick who claims she didn't do the nasty, too many reasons to lie.
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If you are born of a virgin; that's a pretty awesome miracle. Also, if you pay attention to the story; god needed human parents to raise Jesus.

I just don't require the odd miracles you think needs to happen. I feel the miracle in my life every day.
 
magnifier661 said:
Because the bible says the spirit is separate from flesh. Flesh is of DNA, so I just made a pretty good educated guess.
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I am pretty sure God knows all he needs to about DNA whether he is made of it or not. But I wonder if he has the patience magnifier.
 
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MarAzul said:
I am pretty sure God knows all he needs to about DNA whether he is made of it or not. But I wonder if he has the patients magnifier.
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I assume if you go deep into DNA; there would be a sign that has Gods patent.
 
magnifier661 said:
I assume if you go deep into DNA; there would be a sign that has Gods patent.
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Ha! I have been Spell Checked! I corrected the word that I intended to use in the previous post.

patience
 
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Is you intent to argue if Jesus wasn't from a virgin; I guess you can bring up all sorts of Maury ideas.

But we both were neither there. I choose to accept the story in the bible. You question it. Neither of us have physical proof.

So basically you have faith that he wasn't of the virgin and I have faith he was. Sound good?
 
GOD said:
Just catch any episode of Maruy Povich from back in the day and you see women lying about who they banged. No way could he be the daddy of my baby, i never even slept with him, cut to, the DNA says within a .009% chance, He IS THE FATHER. Just saying It would be much more believable if God had gotten some dude preggo.

Most people have heard this story, but still a freakish real like virgin pregnancy.
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Well, I have read that the use of the word Virgin in the Bible is actually a mistranslation in the King James version of the Bible for the Hebrew phrase for Young Woman. And this maybe so, but then on the other hand, the resume of Jesus is quite like that of Christna including his birth from a Virgin Mother. So the precedent is there, why should I bicker, the Philosophy of living as a result of the teaching of Jesus are all about us everyday.
Thank goodness it is so because I for one prefer to live among Christians.
 
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magnifier661 said:
Is you intent to argue if Jesus wasn't from a virgin; I guess you can bring up all sorts of Maury ideas.

But we both were neither there. I choose to accept the story in the bible. You question it. Neither of us have physical proof.

So basically you have faith that he wasn't of the virgin and I have faith he was. Sound good?
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Come on man, are you really wanting to go back to that? You have faith, leave it at that.

Mostly, I'm just having fun with the virgin part of the story. Every component could be picked apart, and if you are a stickler (which you are not) then that could be a real problem. But if you take the bible as more a guide to Jesus than a word for word accounting (which I believe you do), then all these trivial components can easily be brushed aside.

Mostly, if you really want me to ask the question that keeps coming back, I will, but I know what your answer will be. But that doesn't mean I actually will believe your answer.

Me: Come on, do you REALLY believe in Jesus?
You: Yes, I REALLY Do.
Me: Really?
You: Yes, really!
Me: You're telling me, that you have no doubt that Jesus was real and was the son of god?
You: Absolutely.
Me: So if there was a button that could be pushed to reveal the answer, but when you pushed it a gun was held to you head and if the answer came back NO, the gun would blow you away, you would have no problem at all pushing that button?
You: No problem at all, I know Jesus and that's all there is to it.
Me: I still don't believe you.
You: Too bad. Who do you think the Blazers will get as their Center for next season?
Me: I don't know, perhaps Jordan, hey, wait a second, are we done with the last conversation?
You: I know I am,
Me: Ya, all right, do you still trip ever?

and scene.
 
magnifier661 said:
You are thinking that god is bound by our natural laws. I would assume its pretty easy for someone that had the ability to create a universe would be able to seed a virgin.
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wha?

i mean its either one or the other right? half mary, or all god

its weird to think that jesus was a zygote at one point, or that he was a bratty 3 year old who kept whining to his mom for more camel milk, or that he got boners and farted, and probably had a wet dream or two, and got itchy balls, and had bad breath, and hangnails, and got a headache when he got thirsty
 
3RA1N1AC said:
wha?

i mean its either one or the other right? half mary, or all god

its weird to think that jesus was a zygote at one point, or that he was a bratty 3 year old who kept whining to his mom for more camel milk, or that he got boners and farted, and probably had a wet dream or two, and got itchy balls, and had bad breath, and hangnails, and got a headache when he got thirsty
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No it doesn't. When I think of the spirit; I think of it as an unmeasurable entity. At least that isn't measure by current equipment.

I believe in the trinity. I think all of us have a bit of God in us. Our Holy Spirit is of God. Then there is the absolute God. Then I see Jesus as God's son; who is God.

It may sound confusing; but I understand it. Our flesh is flesh and our spirit is separate from our flesh. So Jesus could be flesh, but have as much God in him that is separate from his flesh:
 
magnifier661 said:
Because the bible says the spirit is separate from flesh. Flesh is of DNA, so I just made a pretty good educated guess.
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magnifier661 said:
No it doesn't. When I think of the spirit; I think of it as an unmeasurable entity. At least that isn't measure by current equipment.

I believe in the trinity. I think all of us have a bit of God in us. Our Holy Spirit is of God. Then there is the absolute God. Then I see Jesus as God's son; who is God.

It may sound confusing; but I understand it. Our flesh is flesh and our spirit is separate from our flesh. So Jesus could be flesh, but have as much God in him that is separate from his flesh:
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Yeah, look at you. Got it all figured out in that drug-addled brain of yours.

MarAzul said:
Thank goodness it is so because I for one prefer to live among Christians.
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I just want to know why you two think Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, Jews, Rastafarians, Scientologists, Sikhs, and the rest of the non-Christian people on Earth (i.e. the majority of humanity) are ignorant and wrong, whilst you two are enlightened and right? What made you decide to completely invalidate their religions and regard their deities as false Gods?
 
magnifier661 said:
Oh playing that card?

Seems like you got it all figured out... Like borat used to say .... Pause ..... NAWT!
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What card? You're the one always bringing up your drug use & how it's expanded your mind... but way to avoid the question. I just want to know why you think every other religion on earth is wrong and you're right.
 
noknobs said:
What card? You're the one always bringing up your drug use & how it's expanded your mind... but way to avoid the question. I just want to know why you think every other religion on earth is wrong and you're right.
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Show me where is said that? I just think your wrong. But that's not really hard to prove.

Lmao at the "always bringing up"! Okay fez!
 
magnifier661 said:
Show me where is said that? I just think your wrong. But that's not really hard to prove.

Lmao at the "always bringing up"! Okay fez!
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As usual, you're apparently not even aware of what you've said, let alone what others say or even who you're talking to.

You clearly believe the new testament, which means you don't believe in Islam, for example. You either have faith or you don't, right? So I'm simply asking why you feel Christianity is correct and other religions aren't? Is it simply because you've been around Christians more than Muslims (which means your faith is purely geographical)? Have you only tried Christianity? Or what?
 
noknobs said:
As usual, you're apparently not even aware of what you've said, let alone what others say or even who you're talking to.

You clearly believe the new testament, which means you don't believe in Islam, for example. You either have faith or you don't, right? So I'm simply asking why you feel Christianity is correct and other religions aren't? Is it simply because you've been around Christians more than Muslims (which means your faith is purely geographical)? Have you only tried Christianity? Or what?
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Obviously you've pulled bits and pieces of what I've said on separate occasions. I also said that I believe that everyone needs theism. Theism is to believe in God(s). You, on the other hand, take what I believe is right for me; is like something you assume is me saying what's right and everyone else is wrong.

So fucking what about my personal issue with what I truly believe in? And that's not what you asked; you were just talking at me and using the occasional dabble with mind altering substance as some excuse that I can't think clearly? Dude go fuck yourself!!!

You need a fucking breather tool and stop riding my jock because I clearly smashed your fragile ego.
 
And furthermore dipshit; I've dabbled in a lot of different beliefs and was extremely agnostic at an early age. You seem like a prick that are no better than the judgmental Christian.

So for your information: these were the things I've dabbled in

1.) Buddhism
2.) witchcraft
3.) Wiccan

What have you tried noknob? Yeah I bet nothing right? Pot meet kettle
 
magnifier661 said:
Obviously you've pulled bits and pieces of what I've said on separate occasions. I also said that I believe that everyone needs theism. Theism is to believe in God(s). You, on the other hand, take what I believe is right for me; is like something you assume is me saying what's right and everyone else is wrong.

So fucking what about my personal issue with what I truly believe in? And that's not what you asked; you were just talking at me and using the occasional dabble with mind altering substance as some excuse that I can't think clearly? Dude go fuck yourself!!!

You need a fucking breather tool and stop riding my jock because I clearly smashed your fragile ego.
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Well that wasn't very Christian-like... If I have to read 100 posts by you touting Jesus as our savior and how great Christianity is, I figured you'd have no trouble telling me why it's so much better than all the other religions. Based on your response, I'll take that to mean you don't have a fucking clue, you just like to act like you do.

The bolded text clearly applies to you. Take a chill pill. I was just asking a simple question.
 
noknobs said:
Well that wasn't very Christian-like... If I have to read 100 posts by you touting Jesus as our savior and how great Christianity is, I figured you'd have no trouble telling me why it's so much better than all the other religions. Based on your response, I'll take that to mean you don't have a fucking clue, you just like to act like you do.

The bolded text clearly applies to you. Take a chill pill. I was just asking a simple question.
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Hahaha yeah right, far from asking a question. Like I said; I smashed you on the last debate you tried a few months ago and are still butt hurt.

You mad bro?
 
magnifier661 said:
And furthermore dipshit; I've dabbled in a lot of different beliefs and was extremely agnostic at an early age. You seem like a prick that are no better than the judgmental Christian.

So for your information: these were the things I've dabbled in

1.) Buddhism
2.) witchcraft
3.) Wiccan

What have you tried noknob? Yeah I bet nothing right? Pot meet kettle
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Thanks for the continued insults, Christian.

The majority of my life I've been Christian, now I'm agnostic, but I suppose spiritual. I can't grasp how this could all be an accident so I think there must be a higher power or force of some kind. However the idea of a heaven and hell seems a little out there, as do religions based on 2,000 year old fairy tales.
 
magnifier661 said:
Hahaha yeah right, far from asking a question. Like I said; I smashed you on the last debate you tried a few months ago and are still butt hurt.

You mad bro?
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You've not once in your life won a debate with me. Good God. Every time I try to have a discussion with you, it's like arguing with a rock, because you can't seem to grasp anything anyone says. So I always throw my hands in the air and say 'fuck it'. If you want to take that as you beating me, have at it. I think I'll live.
 
noknobs said:
I can't grasp how this could all be an accident so I think there must be a higher power or force of some kind.
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Well thanks for stating the obvious.

But the flame started when you tried using psychs as some reason why I can't debate. Obviously you are truly an agnostic. You insult things you have no concept on.

Carry on...
 
noknobs said:
You've not once in your life won a debate with me. Good God. Every time I try to have a discussion with you, it's like arguing with a rock, because you can't seem to grasp anything anyone says. So I always throw my hands in the air and say 'fuck it'. If you want to take that as you beating me, have at it. I think I'll live.
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Good now run along little one
 
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