Who was Jesus?

[magnifier661]

Okay. So you believe no matter what anyone believes, no matter the religion, no matter if they believe in God, they can all end up in the same place?

Yep

 

[noknobs]

Yep

So you don't believe in the bible then? I mean, you've essentially just admitted there's no need for religion.

 

[magnifier661]

I mean, you've essentially just admitted there's no need for religion.

100% accurate

 

[noknobs]

100% accurate

That's great, we agree.

It just confuses me when I see you type things like the following as if they were fact:

Things completely changed the moment Jesus came, lived a sin free life and became the ultimate sacrifice. That man doesn't need to live by works because Jesus already did that so we don't have to.

Once we accept Christ; all the old laws are a thing of the past. We become Christ and never need to worry about that anymore. We can live knowing that we are now worthy because Christ made us worthy.

Being saved is now becoming of Christ. No matter what you do before or after salvation has any effect on salvation. You become of Jesus. Meaning Jesus is now of your reflection to God. He sees you as a perfect being.

 

[magnifier661]

That's great, we agree.

It just confuses me when I see you type things like the following as if they were fact:

Why confused? Being a Christian isn't about laws and works as most religion demands. Instead Christians have personal relationships with god through Christ.

So when you ask is everyone that believes in all other things end up in the same place; I say yes. What's hard to understand?

 

[noknobs]

Why confused? Being a Christian isn't about laws and works as most religion demands. Instead Christians have personal relationships with god through Christ.

What you just described is a religion, which you just said is unnecessary to begin with. You just admitted it's not necessary to have a relationship with God (i.e. believe in him/she/it) Why are you doing any of this? Christian or not, we both know right from wrong, so what other benefit do you get from something irrelevant like Christianity (or any other religion, just using it as an example)?

Once we accept Christ; all the old laws are a thing of the past. We become Christ and never need to worry about that anymore. We can live knowing that we are now worthy because Christ made us worthy.

Why is it necessary to accept Christ? Why does accepting Christ make you worthy? You just told me none of this matters.

 

[magnifier661]

Because Christ makes you worthy for living the life we are supposed to live. And when you accept Jesus Christ; god sees Christ through you. You are now perfect because Christ makes you perfect.

Btw; you call it religion. I call it a relationship. But if it makes you feel better to say I am religious; then soak in it with all it's glory.

 

[Further]

Now that you two have calmed down, this is becoming a very interesting thread.

 

[magnifier661]

Now that you two have calmed down, this is becoming a very interesting thread.

Well as long as someone doesn't try and play the drug card; everything will be alright.

 

[Jesus Christ Son of God]

Greetings my children, how is everyone today?

 

[noknobs]

Because Christ makes you worthy for living the life we are supposed to live. And when you accept Jesus Christ; god sees Christ through you. You are now perfect because Christ makes you perfect.

Btw; you call it religion. I call it a relationship. But if it makes you feel better to say I am religious; then soak in it with all it's glory.

But you admitted that religion (in this case Christianity) isn't necessary. How can something unnecessary make me worthy? How can the lack of something unnecessary make me unworthy?

 

[noknobs]

Well as long as someone doesn't try and play the drug card; everything will be alright.

If you say things like:

I take it you haven't messed with psychedelics before? Obviously you know about as much as a stump in the ground about how much it can alter your perception.

Also; you have no idea how it can open your mind either. Maybe all you need is love bro.

... then you kinda open yourself up for it.

At any rate, I don't think it warranted a "go fuck yourself", or calling me a "tool", "prick" and "dipshit".

 

[noknobs]

Greetings my children, how is everyone today?

Hi. We've all agreed that you're unnecessary and irrelevant. How are you?

 

[magnifier661]

But you admitted that religion (in this case Christianity) isn't necessary. How can something unnecessary make me worthy? How can the lack of something unnecessary make me unworthy?

Because laws and works aren't what brings peace. True peace is obtained through grace.

Religions use works and laws to govern if man or woman can find peace. It's failed because no amount of works can help you

 

[Further]

Hi. We've all agreed that you're unnecessary and irrelevant. How are you?

Or you could cut out the middle man and just talk to me.

 

[magnifier661]

If you say things like:



... then you kinda open yourself up for it.

At any rate, I don't think it warranted a "go fuck yourself", or calling me a "tool", "prick" and "dipshit".

When you don't understand what psychedelics do as a tool; then you have no opinion.

And stop getting ll butt hurt for being called out for it

 

[Denny Crane]

When you don't understand what psychedelics do as a tool; then you have no opinion.

And stop getting ll butt hurt for being called out for it

Hallucinations involve sensing things while awake that appear to be real, but instead have been created by the mind.

From the dictionary.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Hallucinations involve sensing things while awake that appear to be real, but instead have been created by the mind.

From the dictionary.

huh...I think that Obama ran twice on that very platform..

 

[noknobs]

Because laws and works aren't what brings peace. True peace is obtained through grace.

Religions use works and laws to govern if man or woman can find peace.

You're just going in circles. The point I'm trying to make is that if Christianity is irrelevant, then Jesus is irrelevant, then accepting him is irrelevant. Religions were established to govern man, that much is correct.

It's failed because no amount of works can help you

'Scuse me? Is a comment like that what you consider 'grace'?

You don't know anything about me. Now look who's judging people like they're God. This is a prime example of why religion (or atheism) annoys me. It makes people like you think they're better than me simply because of a belief they have, which you've by the way just told me is an irrelevant belief. So...?

 

[ABM]

Recreational drugs are of the devil.

 

[magnifier661]

You're just going in circles. The point I'm trying to make is that if Christianity is irrelevant, then Jesus is irrelevant, then accepting him is irrelevant. Religions were established to govern man, that much is correct.




'Scuse me? Is a comment like that what you consider 'grace'?

You don't know anything about me. Now look who's judging people like they're God. This is a prime example of why religion (or atheism) annoys me. It makes people like you think they're better than me simply because of a belief they have, which you've by the way just told me is an irrelevant belief. So...?

No I keep repeating because u fail to understand. Not my fault you keep asking the same question and won't stop until you get an answer you expect to hear

 

[noknobs]

When you don't understand what psychedelics do as a tool; then you have no opinion.

I understand what drugs can do to the human brain, it's not my opinion, it's a fact.

 

[magnifier661]

I understand what drugs can do to the human brain, it's not my opinion, it's a fact.

Do you drink?

Oh and science can monitor love through brain receptors; but it can't tell you how you can fall in love. Obviously only experience will give you true understanding. Seems like it's something you have trouble with

 

[Denny Crane]

I understand what drugs can do to the human brain, it's not my opinion, it's a fact.

http://www.lsdaddiction.us/content/lsd-long-term-use-and-effects.html

"Reduced ability to reason and think rationally"

 

[Further]

I'm with mags on the psychedelic issue. An experimenting can open one up to view the world through an egoless lens. Too much and you can become kooky. Most people who have never done any cant understand the beneficial aspects. But right now there are labs exploring the beneficial use in dealing with PTSD and with severing opiate addiction. There have also been studies showing limited use can have a positive effect on long term happiness.

 

[noknobs]

Do you drink?

Socially yes, and I'm aware of what alcohol can do to the body as well. And I'd never tell someone who has never had alcohol, "Obviously you know about as much as a stump in the ground about how much it can alter your perception. Also; you have no idea how it can open your mind either."

Anyways, are you comparing alcohol to psychedlics? You might as well compare caffeine too while you're at it.

Oh and science can monitor love through brain receptors; but it can't tell you how you can fall in love. Obviously only experience will give you true understanding. Seems like it's something you have trouble with

Huh? Where did this come from?

 

[magnifier661]

Of course you compare caffeine to alcohol because you drink. And you should be aware that drinking severely alters your judgement, behavior and memory.

So when you post in this forum drinking; do you admit you are addled?

 

[magnifier661]

Where did that come from? You say how drugs alter your brain as a fact; and I explained that science can monitor how love alters your brain. Neither can actually monitor what an individual feels unless that individuals explain it.

All perception. And when one doesn't have the perception and only go with what they read; they are neither in love or having any credibility on effects of anything an individual sees, hears or feels unless they do it themselves.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Speaking of doing drugs, Kim Kardashian and Kanye West just named their baby girl North. Yes, her name is North West.

and to really tie it into the thread...

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[noknobs]

Of course you compare caffeine to alcohol because you drink.

You really think I just compared caffeine to alcohol? You seriously couldn't tell I only brought up caffeine to show how ridiculous your own comparison was? Woah.

Where did that come from? You say how drugs alter your brain as a fact; and I explained that science can monitor how love alters your brain. Neither can actually monitor what an individual feels unless that individuals explain it.

All perception. And when one doesn't have the perception and only go with what they read; they are neither in love or having any credibility on effects of anything an individual sees, hears or feels unless they do it themselves.

I'm sorry, but are you seriously comparing love to drugs? I'm aware that scientists are learning about the chemical processes that happen when you fall in love. But I think the negative impact that drugs can have on a brain are a little worse than prolonged love-use...

Nobody's doubting you felt something when you used psychs. And nobody's doubting you feel it was profound. That really has never been the discussion.

Why any of this makes you feel the need to judge me and say, "it can't tell you how you can fall in love. Obviously only experience will give you true understanding. Seems like it's something you have trouble with", is a mystery. You clearly know nothing about me. But if continually putting me down is how you feel better about yourself, knock yourself out. Maybe you can make that your new religion, since we've established your old one as irrelevant.