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BonesJones said:
This is what I'd prefer.
Dame (36) / CJ (12)
CJ (24) / Turner (24)
Turner (8) / Harkless (26) / Aminu (14)
Aminu (16) / Davis (22) / Leonard (10)
Ezeli (24) / Plumlee (18) / Leonard (6)
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This is what I'd prefer.
Dame (36) / Napier (12)
Crabbe (32) / McLemore (16)
Turner (30) / Harkless (18)
Davis (28) / Cousins (12) / Harkless (8)
Cousins (24) / Ezeli (24)
 
PtldPlatypus said:
This is what I'd prefer.
Dame (36) / Napier (12)
Crabbe (32) / McLemore (16)
Turner (30) / Harkless (18)
Davis (28) / Cousins (12) / Harkless (8)
Cousins (24) / Ezeli (24)
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Hmmm
 
Dame,CJ,ET,Aminu,Ezeli
CJ,Crabbe,Harkless,Von,Plum
Dame,ET,Harkless,Aminu,Ezeli
This 3 lineup is my defense team.
 
Lillard/McCollum/Turner
McCollum/Crabbe/
Turner/Harkless/Crabbe
Aminu/Davis/Plumlee
Ezeli/Plumlee/Leonard

Idk man. I think we should trade some of these players. That's why I want to match Crabbe, so we can package a trade for a pretty good player.
 
BonesJones said:
There's 26 all-stars. Borderline all-stars would be about the 27-40th best players. There's 150 starters in the league (5 players, 30 teams). So borderline all stars are generally 6th men? Lol.

There isn't one borderline all star coming off the bench in the NBA. The best bench player is Crawford who isn't even close to being a borderline all-star.
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On most contending teams your 6th man is often better than your fourth and fifth starters.

Lets look at the 6th man of the year awards and who the have gone to over the years.

Jamal Crawford...No All Star Appearances
Lou Williams...No All Star Appearances
Jamal Crawford...No All Star Appearances
JR Smith...No All Star Appearances
James Harden...4 time all star
Lamar Oden...No All Star Appearances
Jamal Crawford...No All Star Appearances
Jason Terry...No All Star Appearances
Manu Ginobli...2 time all star
Leandro Barbosa...No All Star Appearances
Mike Miller...No All Star Appearances
Ben Gordon...No All Star Appearances(BTW, I see Ben was a Monster at CHI. What happened @Denny Crane ?)
Antoine Jamison...2 time all star

Alright Bones, you got me. Your right. Shit. I thought for sure 6th men of the year were at least all stars.

I still think your 6th man is better than most 4th and 5th guys in the starting lineup, though they might not play the same position. For example, Crabbe was the closest we had to a 6th man last year and some would say he is better than Plums and Leonard, who were both starters(Prior to injury).
 
Gordon had to leave the Bulls to get paid. Detroit was the worst thing that could happen to him. He outplayed Rip Hamilton but they played Rip out of some sense of loyalty or something.
 
I don't think Neil is done with the roster moves. So I will save my comment on this topic after the big trade is made that will get the Blazers that big time PF!
 
OK so scratch my previous rotation........

I think I will wait until Harkless is signed before I try again.
 
Damn our team is stacked this season after resigning our guys and picking up Ezeli and turner. We could be scary good next season. Going into the season considering what we added and how we played last year, you've got to think the west looks something like this.

Warriors
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Spurs/Blazers
-----------
Clippers/Etc
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Fonzthecpt1 said:
Damn our team is stacked this season after resigning our guys and picking up Ezeli and turner. We could be scary good next season. Going into the season considering what we added and how we played last year, you've got to think the west looks something like this.

Warriors
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Spurs/Blazers
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Clippers/Etc
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The only thing we didn't do was pickup a legit third scorer. I'm not sure if Turner is that guy. Maybe Crabbe or Harkless can grow into that role though.
 
I have no clue how the rotation will work out at this point. I don't think Summer League games will give us insight to that either. Might be easier to do a more traditional depth chart without overlapping names into other positions.

Assuming we retain Harkless essentially we have swapped Henderson, Roberts, Kaman and Alexander for Turner, Napier, Ezeli and Layman.

PG Dame/Napier
SG CJ/Crabbe/Connaughten/Montero
SF Turner/Harkless/Layman
PF Aminu/Davis/Vonleh
C Ezeli/Plumlee/Leonard

You could swap Davis and Leonard maybe.... Glad I don't have to sort it all out!
 
And it's not just rotation... it's minute distribution specifically.
 
Schilly said:
Assuming we retain Harkless essentially we have swapped Henderson, Roberts, Kaman and Alexander for Turner, Napier, Ezeli and Layman.
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Plumlee and Harkless were starters. Now Ezeli will either start or take minutes from Plums/Davis. Turner will likely start for Harkless so he plays back-up at the '3' where Crabbe played some and now AC just backs up CJ?

It is a bit of a cluster although we are certainly deeper. Good problem to have.
 
TBpup said:
Plumlee and Harkless were starters. Now Ezeli will either start or take minutes from Plums/Davis. Turner will likely start for Harkless so he plays back-up at the '3' where Crabbe played some and now AC just backs up CJ?

It is a bit of a cluster although we are certainly deeper. Good problem to have.
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Stotts will have a lot more flexibility with roster depending upon match-ups with the opposition. This is a good problem to have.

It all depends on the team and match-ups, but I would to see the following lineup to start most often:
Dame
CJ
ET
Aminu
Plums
 
TBpup said:
Plumlee and Harkless were starters. Now Ezeli will either start or take minutes from Plums/Davis. Turner will likely start for Harkless so he plays back-up at the '3' where Crabbe played some and now AC just backs up CJ?

It is a bit of a cluster although we are certainly deeper. Good problem to have.
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If there is an actual difference in roles on offense between our SG and our SF, then I would think ET would back up CJ, not Crabbe, because of his handles. Evan may weight a little more, but Crabbe is a little longer and can guard most SF's.
 
If we still sign Harkless and the current rookies continue progessing..... can't help but think a trade might be coming st some time. Just a thought.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If there is an actual difference in roles on offense between our SG and our SF, then I would think ET would back up CJ, not Crabbe, because of his handles. Evan may weight a little more, but Crabbe is a little longer and can guard most SF's.
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I agree. I think Crabbe can challenge Turner for starting SF.
 
Should we start Crabbe if Harkless doesn't come back?

Dame
CJ
Crabbe
Aminu
Plumlee

Is a nightmare to defend. Also allows better staggering of ball handlers with Turner coming off the bench first for CJ. Then CJ coming back in for Dame. Pretty sure Stotts would like two of CJ/Dame/Turner on the floor at the same time, but having all three mitigates some of the effectiveness of Dame/CJ.

Rebounding would be a big issue though. That's a terrible rebounding lineup. Maybe start Ezeli over Plumlee?
 
I don't care who starts as long as turner and crabbe can get around 30 minutes each.
 
god this is confusing.

you'd have to think if we resign harkless then something else is brewing. we're pretty much stacked as far as players who either deserve minutes or we seem to have paid enough that they'll get decent minutes.

PG - Dame/Napier/CJ
SG - CJ/Crabbe/Turner/Luis/Pat
SF - Turner/Crabbe/Harkless/Aminu
PF - Aminu/Davis/Vonleh/Meyers/Alexander
C - Ezeli/Plumlee/Davis/Meyers

it's nice to have this much depth, but you could easily look at this and think 'how the fuck this gonna work?'
 
BlayZa said:
god this is confusing.

you'd have to think if we resign harkless then something else is brewing. we're pretty much stacked as far as players who either deserve minutes or we seem to have paid enough that they'll get decent minutes.

PG - Dame/Napier/CJ
SG - CJ/Crabbe/Turner/Luis/Pat
SF - Turner/Crabbe/Harkless/Aminu
PF - Aminu/Davis/Vonleh/Meyers/Alexander
C - Ezeli/Plumlee/Davis/Meyers

it's nice to have this much depth, but you could easily look at this and think 'how the fuck this gonna work?'
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I imagine Napier, Montero, Connaughton and Alexander will not get too many minutes. Vonleh will probably be behind in rotation too. That leaves us with:

PG: Lillard 35 / Turner 13
SG: McCollum 35 / Crabbe 13
SF: Turner 18 / Crabbe 12 / Harkless 18
PF: Aminu 28 / Davis 20
C: Ezeli 24 / Plumlee 12 / Leonard 12

Which is not really great. You have playes like Harkless, Leonard and Plumlee all getting below 30 minutes, Crabbe is getting 25 which is minimum for $17.5M contract player, Lillard and McCollum are basically nailed on to play 35 per game and Turner will be getting between 25 and 30 too. I thik Plumlee gets traded in that scenario and his minutes will be distributed between Leonard and Davis. Ideally we'll package a few players together for one top player. Then again depth is great and we'd basically have a very strong team on the court at all times with the above line up. Exciting times.
 
Perimeter: (PG,SG,SF)
Lillard, CJ, Turner, Crabbe, Harkless

Interior: (PF, C)
Aminu, Ezeli, Davis, Plumlee, Meyers, Vonleh
Without worrying about cohesion, finding PT for the perimeter isn't too challenging:

Perimeter = 144min.
Dame 36min
McCollum 35min
Turner 28min
Crabbe 27min
Harkless 18min

But on the interior? It's impossible.

Interior=96min.
Aminu 24min
Ezeli 18min
Davis 18min
Plumlee 15min
Leonard 15min
Vonleh 6min

This is why we still bring back Harkless, as we have minutes for him. But our big men? Impossible.
 
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