Why Black Lives Matter movement is bullshit

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You need to read my posts, man. Like read them a few times.

I'm not disputing that racism is alive and well. The fact that some of you seem to make this situation all about racism is a little frightening.

Black people are a hell of a lot more racist than whites. Black people spew racism then fall back and want to play the victim for stuff that took place hundreds of years ago. White people were slaves too, but you don't see them using that as an excuse for being a loser like blacks do.
 
The BLM movement is corrupted by their own racism. So instead of being about being against police brutality, all they care about is when a white officer shoots a black person, it ties back to their hatred of whites. Those are the only incidents they care about, and the only ones the media gets carried away with. And in many of the cases, the black actually was armed and/or acting in a threatening manner.
 
Dviss, let me ask you this, do you think we should have a white lives matter group for white victims, a asian lives matter for asians, hispanic lives matter for latinos.... separate advocacy groups for each race?
 
You are dreaming Further. There can be no good coming for anyone marching around chanting "Pigs in a blanket, Fry em like bacon", or "What do you want? Dead Cops! When do you want it? Now" Look at the picture in the front of the video in the first post this thread. See the hate of the face of the black guy! He is counting coup confronting the cops. I bet you a dollar to a donut that the cop is thinking, "Fuck! I'd rather not be here!" But if he does shoot the fucker, it will be justified.

None of this pitiful behavior is going to bring any change. I have not even heard of one proposal that would make a systematic change in the system.
Let me ask you, what in all this confrontation do you see that will make the job better for the cop? 124 were killed in 2014, up 24 percent from 2013 and I bet it is way up for 2015.
Do you think more fear in the ranks of the police will make them shoot less people? I don't.
The BLM is already causing some PD's to adopt changes like institute body cameras and others to make their shooting review processes more transparent. They have forced this as a major topic of conversation amongst Democrat Presidential hopefuls, and I'm guessing this issue will also be debated in the general election. Change doesn't all happen in an instance, but this movement does see to be making progress.

You could be right in the short term that this will lead to animosity that could increase fatal shootings, I'm not sure. However, I do fully believe that as these new practices become implemented the shootings of unarmed civilians will reduce. We can check back in 2020, but this will take time.
 
Not sure why you feel my post was directed toward you.

I will say though the fact that you don't see racism as a part of the situation is more frightening me.

Your posts show a clear lack of reading comprehension.

That's even more frightening. No point in carrying on the conversation.
 
causing some PD's to adopt changes like institute body cameras and others to make their shooting review processes more transparent.

What the good is a better view of the police executing screwed up procedures? When they perform the as guided or as instructed, they will be found not guilty no matter how good the view.


forced this as a major topic of conversation amongst Democrat Presidential hopefuls
God help our nation when Washington especially a Democrat runs every police department in the country. I do wish they could stick to the role carved out in the consitution to keep them occupied.

Democrats run Baltimore, Detroit, LA, NY, Cleveland and damn near every City in America already. We sure as hell don't need one doing it by remote control from a far.
 
Maybe I shouldn't share this, but every time I see the video of the dude out in the street in Chicago, waving the shiv, and the cop drills him, brings back memories.
Anyone ever had a Black man whip out a shiv and threaten to "cut you from pecker to chin"? God damn! It will start your engine! Might even make your finger twitchy.

Ha! There seems to be a lack of experience here. Gosh that is surprising.
 
What the good is a better view of the police executing screwed up procedures? When they perform the as guided or as instructed, they will be found not guilty no matter how good the view.
The whole point is that as the process becomes more transparent, there will be more pressure to do the right thing and not protect bad cops just because they are cops. Transparency over time improves the situation.
 


Seems like the father of this lad ought to snatch his ass out of harms way and send him straight home. Might save him from getting his carcass ventilated.
No fucking way I let a grandson do this shit. Noway, got to have a better plan than stupid.
 
The whole point is that as the process becomes more transparent, there will be more pressure to do the right thing and not protect bad cops just because they are cops. Transparency over time improves the situation.

Sigh!
 
Ha! There seems to be a lack of experience here. Gosh that is surprising.
I'd like to think that is a good thing. It says to me that the black "threat" is more imagined than real. And maybe...just maybe...you were in the wrong place at the wrong time....just because I'm a "free" white man doesn't mean I can go anywhere I want without consequences. A bad neighborhood is a bad neighborhood, and trash is trash, regardless of color. And out of curiosity, is it less terrifying to have a white man pull out a knife and threaten to cut you from pecker to chin....??
 
is it less terrifying to have a white man pull out a knife and threaten to cut you from pecker to chin....?

Don't know! I have never had the experience. But my guess would be, probably not. And I don't know if the Black guy in the street with the knife would have pulled up the memory either.

maybe...you were in the wrong place at the wrong time
No doubt you are correct, I might even have had the thought at the time. I was on Shore Patrol duty in a place called Olongapo, a bar I think it was. I only had my Baton though, so I didn't take the guy on. Just asked my partner to call for back up while we played stare.
 
Come to think of it, I never knew a white man to pack a shiv! A .38 maybe, perhaps even a .22. Never for show though.
 
Come to think of it, I never knew a white man to pack a shiv! A .38 maybe, perhaps even a .22. Never for show though.
I had a Vietnamese guy coming to my house with a gun because I kept insulting his momma. I wasn't there but he would definitely need the gun.
 
I'd like to think that is a good thing. It says to me that the black "threat" is more imagined than real. And maybe...just maybe...you were in the wrong place at the wrong time....just because I'm a "free" white man doesn't mean I can go anywhere I want without consequences. A bad neighborhood is a bad neighborhood, and trash is trash, regardless of color. And out of curiosity, is it less terrifying to have a white man pull out a knife and threaten to cut you from pecker to chin....??

There's a video (saw it on Facebook and I'm sure Denny can find it) of a white man attempting to stab a police officer and he's taken into custody alive and well. The officer had the wherewithal to reach ACROSS his body and reach for his taser.

That simply doesn't happen to us.
 
Dviss, let me ask you this, do you think we should have a white lives matter group for white victims, a asian lives matter for asians, hispanic lives matter for latinos.... separate advocacy groups for each race?

Stupid straw man argument. You're operating on the SILLY ASS notion that BLM means only black lives matter. Typical white privilege response.

I've tried to explain but it continues to fall on deaf, privileged ears.

It means:

Hello, Black Lives Matter Too.
 
There's a video (saw it on Facebook and I'm sure Denny can find it) of a white man attempting to stab a police officer and he's taken into custody alive and well. The officer had the wherewithal to reach ACROSS his body and reach for his taser.

That simply doesn't happen all of the time to anyone regardless of race.

FTFY
 
Stupid straw man argument. You're operating on the SILLY ASS notion that BLM means only black lives matter. Typical white privilege response.

I've tried to explain but it continues to fall on deaf, privileged ears.

It means:

Hello, Black Lives Matter Too.

Maybe that's what it means to you, but not the majority of BLM protesters who chant vile and hateful shit.
 
Maybe that's what it means to you, but not the majority of BLM protesters who chant vile and hateful shit.

Yeah you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You don't even know anyone in the movement. Admit it.
 
Black people are a hell of a lot more racist than whites. Black people spew racism then fall back and want to play the victim for stuff that took place hundreds of years ago. White people were slaves too, but you don't see them using that as an excuse for being a loser like blacks do.

All racism is bad. But truthfully, how does black racism affect you? It affects us in housing, health care, jobs, the list goes on. Blacks being racist to you doesn't affect your housing. You want to talk about white slaves but whites never had to worry about segregation and Jim Crow laws. White people don't have to worry about fake voter ID laws that disenfranchise black voters. White people never had their Wall Street bombed by the government either. Your false equivocation again shows your bias.
 
Again, the people that keep acting like the BLM movement won't help us all with regard to police contact and to keep disparaging them says more about you than it does about us.
 
Not sure why you feel my post was directed toward you.

I will say though the fact that you don't see racism as a part of the situation is more frightening me.

Do you know you just said you found it frightening that I didn't think racism is part of the situation? You actually said that in response to a post where I acknowledge racism is part of the problem (and as I've stated in numerous posts in this thread) but said I was frightened by those that claim the situation ALL about racism. It's hard to take your personal perspective seriously when you're putting words in people's mouths or changing them altogether.

In my brief existence on this earth, I have noticed that those that call out others as liars the loudest are actually the biggest liars. Those that call out thievery loudest are actually the biggest thieves. Those that claim others as racists are indeed the biggest racists. Conversely, those that praise others the loudest likely are worthy of being showered heavily in praise. We are all liars, thieves, racists in some form or another, and we all have worthy qualities. You ever hear the saying, "it takes one to know one,"?

I have no beef with you, but I oftentimes sit back and laugh at people on S2 arguing with one another when it's apparent one person is skimming and not really reading posts they respond to. And it goes on for days. This is one of those times.
 
All racism is bad. But truthfully, how does black racism affect you? It affects us in housing, health care, jobs, the list goes on. Blacks being racist to you doesn't affect your housing. You want to talk about white slaves but whites never had to worry about segregation and Jim Crow laws. White people don't have to worry about fake voter ID laws that disenfranchise black voters. White people never had their Wall Street bombed by the government either. Your false equivocation again shows your bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

In the United States, redlining is the practice of denying services, either directly or through selectively raising prices, to residents of certain areas based on the racial or ethnic makeups of those areas. While some of the most famous examples of redlining regard denying financial services such as banking or insurance,[2] other services such as health care [3] or even supermarkets,[4] can be denied to residents to carry out redlining.[5] The term "redlining" was coined in the late 1960s by John McKnight, a sociologist and community activist.[6] It refers to the practice of marking a red line on a map to delineate the area where banks would not invest; later the term was applied to discrimination against a particular group of people (usually byrace or sex) irrespective of geography.

During the heyday of redlining, the areas most frequently discriminated against were black inner city neighborhoods. For example, in Atlanta in the 1980s, a Pulitzer Prize-winning series of articles by investigative-reporter Bill Dedman showed that banks would often lend to lower-income whites but not to middle- or upper-income blacks.[7] The use of blacklists is a related mechanism also used by redliners to keep track of groups, areas, and people that the discriminating party feels should be denied business or aid or other transactions. In the academic literature, redlining falls under the broader category of credit rationing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_racism

Environmental racism is placement of low-income or minority communities in proximity of environmentally hazardous or degraded environments, such as toxic waste, pollution and urban decay. While there are competing views as to an exact definition, the interplay between environmental issues and social indicators are key to its understanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

White flight is a term that originated in the United States, starting in the mid-20th century, and applied to the large-scale migration of whites of various European ancestries from racially mixed urban regions to more racially homogeneous suburban or exurban regions.

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In her study of Chicago's West Side during the post-war era, historian Amanda Seligman argues that the phrase misleadingly suggests that whites immediately departed when blacks moved into the neighborhood, when in fact, many whites defended their space with violence, intimidation, or legal tactics.[13]

The business practices of redlining, mortgage discrimination, and racially restrictive covenants contributed to the overcrowding and physical deterioration of areas where minorities chose to congregate. Such conditions are considered to have contributed to the emigration of other populations. The limited facilities for banking and insurance, due to a perceived lack of profitability, and other social services, and extra fees meant to hedge against perceived profit issues increased their cost to residents in predominantly non-white suburbs and city neighborhoods.[14][15] According to the environmental geographer Laura Pulido, the historical processes of suburbanization and urban decentralization contribute to contemporary environmental racism.[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

Institutional racism (also known as institutionalised racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions, as distinct from racism by individuals or informal social groups. It is reflected in disparities regarding criminal justice,employment, housing, health care, political power and education, among other things. Whether implicitly or explicitly expressed, institutional racism occurs when a certain group is targeted and discriminated against based upon race. Institutional racism can go unnoticed as it is not always explicit and can be overlooked. Institutional racism was defined by Sir William Macpherson in the 1999 Lawrence report (UK) as: "The collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."[1]

"I was once denied a loan, therefore the system is fair."
 
Denny,

You've been redlining S2 for years. I'm unclear how exactly, but the fact that Sly is a mod is somehow clear evidence of this.
 
Denny,

You've been redlining S2 for years. I'm unclear how exactly, but the fact that Sly is a mod is somehow clear evidence of this.

What's going on with the police is part of the institutionalized racism in the justice system.

You asked questions, you got your answers.

Yes, it's racism.
 
You never really answered my question.

If you think racism is the entire problem, you'd be incorrect.
 
You never really answered my question.

If you think racism is the entire problem, you'd be incorrect.

The reason there is no white lives matter movement is whites aren't discriminated against routinely.

I think the problem is the execution of black men by police on top of the general punitive treatment of black neighborhoods on the whole.

Like I said earlier, the people in Watts get it when they see over the top treatment of people that look like them in Baltimore. They're all being mistreated in a similar manner no matter where they're mostly forced to live segregated.

BLM is not atypical for the civil rights movement. Back in the '60s, we saw MLK Jr. push peaceful civil disobedience. We saw Malcolm X and the Black Panthers push a more militant agenda. For the most part, MLK's approach has won out. It is ridiculous to suggest the whole movement is X's or the Black Panthers' sort of agenda.
 
The question I still have, and I haven't seen a definitive answer to....

Is it really a race thing only? Or an issue with police overstepping? A combo of both?

It's a race only thing. The police are overstepping. The whole justice system is (among many other institutions).

I can't answer more concise that this.
 
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