Why can't the nets play like Portland?

[Jizzy]

look at how Portland is playing, beautiful ball movement, players cutting, shooters shooting, rebounders rebounding, Roy Roy-ing. It makes me pretty envious that a team like Portland can play like a TEAM yet we play more like a bunch of strangers.

 

[cpawfan]

Portland has Roy and LMA while the Nets have RJ and Vince. Teams are what their personnel is.

 

[reganomics813]

In alot of ways it's easier for a young coach to get that out of a team full of younger more impressionable players who have literally no pressure on them to be as good as they are.

Frank motivating our vets into playing hard is a completely different scenario.

Rightfully it should be the other way around but it just isn't.

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Dec 22 2007, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In alot of ways it's easier for a young coach to get that out of a team full of younger more impressionable players who have literally no pressure on them to be as good as they are.

Frank motivating our vets into playing hard is a completely different scenario.

Rightfully it should be the other way around but it just isn't.</div>



agreed. hopefully once we blow it up, we can play somewhat like a young, hungry team. doubtful though, with Frank controlling everything like a freakin video game. I wish McMillan was our coach.

 

[reganomics813]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 22 2007, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>agreed. hopefully once we blow it up, we can play somewhat like a young, hungry team. doubtful though, with Frank controlling everything like a freakin video game. I wish McMillan was our coach.</div>

McMillan is just as controlling don't get it twisted. In no way is he the good cop to Frank's bad cop. He has a great young leader in Roy and trusts his decision making and deservedly so through earning it. As much as I love our young players the difference between Roy's mentality and theirs is enormous. Look at how McMillan treats Sergio, there's not much difference between he and how Frank treats Marcus with Frank actually being a somewhat more lenient.

Starting over would take a alot of work and commitment from the upper management, coaching staff, and a lot of blind luck. Frank would assuredly have a rough time trying to coach players through their mistakes as he's spoiled in alot of ways having Kidd/ VC/RJ for so long but he would be an excellent guy to have showing young kids what they should and shouldn't do on a basketball court because the guy knows his stuff.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Dec 22 2007, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In alot of ways it's easier for a young coach to get that out of a team full of younger more impressionable players who have literally no pressure on them to be as good as they are.

Frank motivating our vets into playing hard is a completely different scenario.

Rightfully it should be the other way around but it just isn't.</div>

That's exactly why this team needs a coach who played the game. I strongly believe that only marquee coaches who have been successfull in this league or a coach who was a successful NBA player who the players respect and can relate too. Lawrence Frank who shows no love for young also gets no respect from his vets.

 

[reganomics813]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 22 2007, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Dec 22 2007, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In alot of ways it's easier for a young coach to get that out of a team full of younger more impressionable players who have literally no pressure on them to be as good as they are.

Frank motivating our vets into playing hard is a completely different scenario.

Rightfully it should be the other way around but it just isn't.</div>

That's exactly why this team needs a coach who played the game. I strongly believe that only marquee coaches who have been successfull in this league or a coach who was a successful NBA player who the players respect and can relate too. Lawrence Frank who shows no love for young also gets no respect from his vets.
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I think having a guy who's been in that position on the floor does get more respect but at the same time we have players on our team who know what it takes to be successful and approach the game lazily at times and there's as much onus on them as there is on the coach. Again, I love our young players but they are still making strides to show the coaching staff that the stuff they ask them. Simply, none of them have fully earned it yet, especially not at a level that Roy has on Portland.

This team was built on the idea that our vets would lead our youth and IMO they're setting a bad standard as we hear more about whats going on behind the scenes than we do see the cohesion we should be seeing at this point in the season.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Dec 22 2007, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 22 2007, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>agreed. hopefully once we blow it up, we can play somewhat like a young, hungry team. doubtful though, with Frank controlling everything like a freakin video game. I wish McMillan was our coach.</div>

McMillan is just as controlling don't get it twisted. In no way is he the good cop to Frank's bad cop. He has a great young leader in Roy and trusts his decision making and deservedly so through earning it. As much as I love our young players the difference between Roy's mentality and theirs is enormous. Look at how McMillan treats Sergio, there's not much difference between he and how Frank treats Marcus with Frank actually being a somewhat more lenient.

Starting over would take a alot of work and commitment from the upper management, coaching staff, and a lot of blind luck. Frank would assuredly have a rough time trying to coach players through their mistakes as he's spoiled in alot of ways having Kidd/ VC/RJ for so long but he would be an excellent guy to have showing young kids what they should and shouldn't do on a basketball court because the guy knows his stuff.
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Actually, honestly, I love McMillan as a coach. I'm not entirely sure, but as evidence by Seattle and Portland, after a year of getting familiar with a team and it's players, he really gets them playing good, and gets them playing to their strengths.

You've gotta love what he's done for Seattle the year before last and with Portland these last couple years. Granted he gets great players to work with (Rid, Lewis, Daniels, Allen in Seattle; and Blake, Outlaw, Web, Roy, Aldridge, Pryz in Portland), he knows exactly how to get them to succeed.

I'm not saying that Frank is a shitty coach, because he's had alot of bullshit (and injuries) he's had to work with, but I really wish McMillan was a coach on this team. Just imagine what he could do...

 

[killa kadafi191]

who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland.

Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland.

Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div>

You've just gotta have the right guys running things. Add the Raps and Hawks to that list while you're at it.

 

[killa kadafi191]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland.

Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div>

You've just gotta have the right guys running things. Add the Raps and Hawks to that list while you're at it.
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Thank you I left that out but you're so right. I don't know if I would include the Hawks. They have not drafted well.

 

[Black Republican]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland.

Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div>

You've just gotta have the right guys running things. Add the Raps and Hawks to that list while you're at it.
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Thank you I left that out but you're so right. I don't know if I would include the Hawks. They have not drafted well.
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Shit! Yall should add the Timberwolves on the list.

 

[cpawfan]

If you dislike Frank, you would hate Nate

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland.

Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div>

You've just gotta have the right guys running things. Add the Raps and Hawks to that list while you're at it.
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Thank you I left that out but you're so right. I don't know if I would include the Hawks. They have not drafted well.
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I dunno about that. Smith, Williams, Childress, and Horford are looking great! out there right about now. They've got a 14-12 record, and that's thanks in large part to those young guys. Of course, AJ and JJ are a big reason for their record, also.

The only guys who aren't workin out great right now are Shelden, Law, and Salim. And Shelden has his moments, while Law is currently injured.

I say their drafting has been a real success, right about now.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 22 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you dislike Frank, you would hate Nate</div>

I wouldn't like Nate.

I would like Rick Carlisle.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 22 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you dislike Frank, you would hate Nate</div>

I wouldn't like Nate.

I would like Rick Carlisle.
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A big problem with Carlisle is that he has interpersonal communication problems, especially with front office support personnel.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Imagine them next year with Oden/

 

[Kiddisanet]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland.

Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div>

I don't think rebuilding works. Portland has been horrible for seemingly forever and I will guess they miss the playoffs again this season. They really haven't done anything in 7 or so years. Magic have been a rather easy first round exit. or have missed the playoffs completely, every year for the past 10 years. N.O. Hornets still haven't done anything worth mentioning. I don't care for rebuilding at all. I think it's slow and pointless, unless you get real lucky. And most teams don't get that lucky.

 

[Universe]

They were smart and let Magloire go.

We were dumb and picked him up.

 

[killa kadafi191]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kiddisanet @ Dec 22 2007, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland.

Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div>

I don't think rebuilding works. Portland has been horrible for seemingly forever and I will guess they miss the playoffs again this season. They really haven't done anything in 7 or so years. Magic have been a rather easy first round exit. or have missed the playoffs completely, every year for the past 10 years. N.O. Hornets still haven't done anything worth mentioning. I don't care for rebuilding at all. I think it's slow and pointless, unless you get real lucky. And most teams don't get that lucky.
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ummmmmmmmmmm what?????

Portland just went a whole new direction this year. Getting rid of Zach and trading and adding players. Look at their recent success. Think about this alot of people were thinking this team will be good but not this soon and not without Greg. So remember that.

The Magic just made the playoffs in year three of Dwight. That just three years after moving on from the T-mac era. Now they're sitting at number 3 seed of the east. Funny you mention the first round exit last year but that won't happen this year. Also in the years to come when Dwight is what Shaq used to be we will see how you feel then.


The Hornets traded Baron Davis and Mashburn and are doing pretty well. 16-10 plus Chris Paul Peja and Chandler who has finally become the player people thought he would.

The Jazz had to wait a while and even through their recent struggle they still went to the conference finals last year.


Rebuilding does work. It might not work as fast as you want it and as Peg put it you have the right guys running things.

It might happen slow but as they say Rome wasn't built in a day.


Also if you look at the magic being a first round exits as failure what the heck does that say about the Nets the last 4 years??

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kiddisanet @ Dec 22 2007, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland.

Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div>

I don't think rebuilding works. Portland has been horrible for seemingly forever and I will guess they miss the playoffs again this season. They really haven't done anything in 7 or so years. Magic have been a rather easy first round exit. or have missed the playoffs completely, every year for the past 10 years. N.O. Hornets still haven't done anything worth mentioning. I don't care for rebuilding at all. I think it's slow and pointless, unless you get real lucky. And most teams don't get that lucky.
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It doesn't matter how many times and how many sites you type that, it is still wrong and factually inaccurate.

 

[Kiddisanet]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if you look at the magic being a first round exits as failure what the heck does that say about the Nets the last 4 years“</div>

Orlando can't really compare to NJ in recent times.

Nets are one of only 4 teams in the NBA who have made the playoffs each of the past six years. With the exception of the first round exit the year we acquired Carter in the middle of the season, we have gotten at least to the 2nd round every single year since 01-02.

How in the world does that compare to an Orlando team that has missed the playoffs 5 times in the past 10 years? They have won a grand total of SIX playoff games in 10 years! Regardless of what happens this year, they have sucked pretty awful for 10 or 11 years.

Just my opinion.

 

[Kiddisanet]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 22 2007, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't matter how many times and how many sites you type that, it is still wrong and factually inaccurate.</div>


It is my opinion and there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

 

[killa kadafi191]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kiddisanet @ Dec 22 2007, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if you look at the magic being a first round exits as failure what the heck does that say about the Nets the last 4 years“</div>

Orlando can't really compare to NJ in recent times.

Nets are one of only 4 teams in the NBA who have made the playoffs each of the past six years. With the exception of the first round exit the year we acquired Carter in the middle of the season, we have gotten at least to the 2nd round every single year since 01-02.

How in the world does that compare to an Orlando team that has missed the playoffs 5 times in the past 10 years? They have won a grand total of SIX playoff games in 10 years! Regardless of what happens this year, they have sucked pretty awful for 10 or 11 years.

Just my opinion.
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don't take this personal but your opinion may not be wrong but it makes no sense.

See you say rebuilding does not work.

The Magic since losing Shaq to the Lakers had to go two different routes.

The T-mac and Grant Hill era. Which led to playoffs in the second year. First year T-mac won most improved player. After that first year The Magic were in the playoffs until the 21-61 year of 2004.

Also you are wrong in the last ten years the Magic have won a total of 8 games in the playoffs.

You are only using stats when it benefits your point but it also hurts your point too.

You are gaging success by amount of playoff victories. How many playoff victories has this current Nets team had since being together??????

How many second round victories do they have total???


Also another thing you said that didn't make sense. You said the Magic missed the playoffs 5 times in 10 ten years okay.

Now lets see The Magic sign T-mac and Hill in 2000 and make the playoffs the next season in 2001 and are constant presence until 2004.

T-mac Howard Lue and Gaines are traded in the summer of 2004 and the magic get the number one pick. (Howard)

Two years later they make the playoffs and lose to a better pistons but they gain experience and are currently sitting at the 3 seed in the East.

So twice the Magic have rebuild and the longest time they had to wait to make the playoffs is 2 years??


You see when we say that your opinion makes no sense. You judge the Magic off their playoff success but not the Nets? Can you say hypocrite??

Also say what you want Dwight is putting up MVP numbers and will likely win the Award if his team finishes with a better record than the Cavs.


So until you prove otherwise rebuilding does work and saying "it's my opinion" is not strong enough.

true there is no such thing as an wrong opinion but when their are facts to prove your opinion wrong than your opinion is not strong.