Why Do Many Reasonable People Doubt Science?

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Jesus would distribute it to the needy. Are you saying he wouldn't?

Luke 6:30
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

Hey marzy, can I have your boat?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Jesus would distribute it to the needy. Are you saying he wouldn't?

Luke 6:30
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

Hey marzy, can I have your boat?
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Imagine if everyone did what this verse asks??? But alas, we are merely humans and can only strive to be Christlike.
 
Strive to be Christian when its convenient I guess. I don't know of very many Christians who would even consider following that verse.
 
Whatever happened to Clark Kent Jesus that used to pop up in these threads? That guy was a quality poster
 
So in some small humble way, I've conjured up Jesus from the dead...long time no see JC!
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Strive to be Christian when its convenient I guess. I don't know of very many Christians who would even consider following that verse.
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Not when it's convenient. This is much like a Child trying to please their parents, even though they will make mistakes along the way. The key component is what is a genuine action. Example: If I am just tithing because I am commanded to, instead of just giving from your heart. One is just following rules without blessings, while the other gives you blessings.

If you give "YOUR BOAT", like you asked Marzy, just because it was some commandment in the Bible, it is worthless. But lets say you didn't ask and I saw you were truly in need of a boat and I gave mine to you from my heart, the reward is great.
 
Give to all who ask of you. It's pretty clear. Giving to someone who doesn't ask, while great, is something else entirely.

And if you say that following the meaning of his words is worthless, if the words of Jesus are worthless, then what is the point exactly?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Give to all who ask of you. It's pretty clear. Giving to someone who doesn't ask, while great, is something else entirely.

And if you say that following the meaning of his words is worthless, if the words of Jesus are worthless, then what is the point exactly?
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No, the scripture explains all are in need, including yourself. Everyone should ask because they are all in need. Hence, asking Jesus to come into your life and free you from the burden of need.
 
oh, so that passage isnt about jesus saying to give to all who ask?

i guess the literal word of god is open to interpretation.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
oh, so that passage isnt about jesus saying to give to all who ask?

i guess the literal word of god is open to interpretation.
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The Greek word πᾶς translated as "to everyone" is also translated "consistently" or "continually". Similarly to 1 Thessalonians 5:17 "Pray continually." Much as we are not commanded to spend 24 hours in constant prayer, we are not commanded to give every individual who asks us for something; both verses discuss a state of the heart, to be continually prayerful and generous.
 
if you are told to "pray continually", then arent you supposed to pray continually?

it seems logical, if someone was a real follower of jesus, to take his words at face value, and not try to interpret them in a more convenient way.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
if you are told to "pray continually", then arent you supposed to pray continually?

it seems logical, if someone was a real follower of jesus, to take his words at face value, and not try to interpret them in a more convenient way.
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You interpret scripture against scripture. If Jesus wasn't in prayer 24 hours a day, then obviously, we aren't supposed to be either.

Greek is a complex language; it takes some effort to parse the intended meaning. I don't expect you to put forth the effort necessary to do anything but mock.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
oh, so that passage isnt about jesus saying to give to all who ask?

i guess the literal word of god is open to interpretation.
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It's weird that you would choose to derail this thread to mock the Christian belief. I guess any chance you get is the common place?
 
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magnifier661 said:
It's weird that you would choose to detail this thread to mock the Christian belief. I guess any chance you get is the common place?
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Actually mags, reading through this thread there's little reference to doubting science and a lot of scripture analysis..that to me is weird. If you ask a question in a thread title, expect opposing views to have a voice my friend. Scientific method is geared for agnostics not anti Christians because agnostics go on the assumption that they don't really know the answers but choose to explore the possibilities. Science a few hundred years ago thought the world was flat and you'd sail off the edge of the world..fact..they didn't know until someone sailed far enough to disprove it. Galileo was imprisoned for his scientific theories by Christians just as Christians were imprisoned for their beliefs under facists. My answer to the thread title would be that people, religious, atheistic or agnostic doubt a lot of things without stopping to ask why. Scientists were sort of looked at as occultist beings by Christians and Christians were looked at as occultists by atheists. Sometimes these debates are designed to focus on differences rather than see humanity as having one common ground to share. You could in essence replace Christian and Atheist with Republican and Democrat and it always seems to divide rather than include
 
riverman said:
Actually mags, reading through this thread there's little reference to doubting science and a lot of scripture analysis..that to me is weird. If you ask a question in a thread title, expect opposing views to have a voice my friend. Scientific method is geared for agnostics not anti Christians because agnostics go on the assumption that they don't really know the answers but choose to explore the possibilities. Science a few hundred years ago thought the world was flat and you'd sail off the edge of the world..fact..they didn't know until someone sailed far enough to disprove it. Galileo was imprisoned for his scientific theories by Christians just as Christians were imprisoned for their beliefs under facists. My answer to the thread title would be that people, religious, atheistic or agnostic doubt a lot of things without stopping to ask why. Scientists were sort of looked at as occultist beings by Christians and Christians were looked at as occultists by atheists. Sometimes these debates are designed to focus on differences rather than see humanity as having one common ground to share. You could in essence replace Christian and Atheist with Republican and Democrat and it always seems to divide rather than include
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Odd that you would say "Science a few hundred years ago thought the world was flat and you'd sail off the edge of the world..fact." when that was NOT A FACT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth Last time I checked, 400-800 AD was not a few hundred years ago.

But going back to your other points... I absolutely agree that all ideology has had their fair share of retarding the progress of science. Even modern beliefs and theories are retarding progress.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its because Science is often proven wrong. Remember, the Earth used to be flat according to "Science". :MARIS61:
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No Science keeps proving itself wrong. It tests itself over and over until the truth is found. And then the truth is tested over and over again. This does not happen in Religion.
 
dviss1 said:
No Science keeps proving itself wrong. It tests itself over and over until the truth is found. And then the truth is tested over and over again. This does not happen in Religion.
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Sure it does
 
dont get defensive guys, im just pointing out the hypocrisy. most religious types like to glorify their own purportedly virtuous lives, but only follow the teachings when it is convenient. and this thread was headed that way long before i posted.

as far as there being different "translations" of the bible.... either it is the infallible word for word scripture of god, or it isnt. if man has translated it to his own interpretation, then it cant be the word of god, can it? just the word of the translator?
 
magnifier661 said:
Odd that you would say "Science a few hundred years ago thought the world was flat and you'd sail off the edge of the world..fact." when that was NOT A FACT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth Last time I checked, 400-800 AD was not a few hundred years ago.

But going back to your other points... I absolutely agree that all ideology has had their fair share of retarding the progress of science. Even modern beliefs and theories are retarding progress.
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  • by some folks accounts, that's a few hundred years ago in the scope of human history but irregardless of the timeline, humans have miscalculated the truth and propped up their theological beliefs or non beliefs by less than objective means throughout most of history. The term religious war is an oxymoron we've been forced to evolve through or suffer the wrath of the powers that use it as a politcal agenda. Science is a process of elimination through experimentation and result. Religion is based on belief or faith in a set of guidelines that is for the most part, extremely rigid. Lao Tse made the most sense to me because he left it entirely up to the individual and believed that any attempt to organize a theology would fail..the answers were all to be found in nature and were actually very simple..it's people who complicate the experience of life and predict an outcome..not everyone needs an answer to life's journey or afterlife's judgements
 
I am a firm supporter of studying history, and encourage everyone to do so. Knowing where we have been is a big clue to knowing where we may be going. There is little doubt that science has been manipulated by many people and organizations in the past. We can now sit back and point a finger at them and say, “wow, they really fucked up”.

My point is, are we now also fucking up? Will our great-grandchildren point a finger at us and say, “Wow, they ignored warning signs that organizations with agendas were misusing science? Our great grand parents really fucked up.”

I firmly believe we are fucking up, and on many levels and issues. Most all organizations, politicians and individuals with power are now using only the parts of science that supports their agenda.

Example: There is a large group of people, including university professors that believe all fish hatcheries should be removed from our rivers because they are not a “Natural part of nature”. Then they use studies that show how native and hatchery fish behave differently in the rivers. They quote studies that show native fish appear to be more aggressive while hatchery fish appear to be less so. They then go on to say this proves how bad hatcheries are on the environment because native fish might spawn with hatchery fish, which would result in a weaker species.

So I read the entire study they quoted. Guess what I found out? While the study did show “some” native fish are more aggressive than “some” hatchery fish, it also showed “some” hatchery fish were more aggressive than “some” native fish. When you balanced out the behaviors, they were no differences between native and hatchery fish. They only used the part of the study that supported their agenda, and ignored the parts of the same study that proved their agenda was wrong.

I encourage everyone to spend more of their energy researching the information that is feed to them that is trying to gain their support of an agenda. The more research you do of today’s science, the more you will realize that we are FUCKING UP NOW, just like people did in the past.
 
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oldfisherman said:
I am a firm supporter of studying history, and encourage everyone to do so. Knowing where we have been is a big clue to knowing where we may be going. There is little doubt that science has been manipulated by many people and organizations in the past. We can now sit back and point a finger at them as say, “wow, they really fucked up”.

My point is, are we now also fucking up? Will our great-grandchildren point a finger at us and say, “Wow, they ignored warning signs that organizations with agendas were misusing science? Our great grand parents really fucked up.”

I firmly believe we are fucking up, and on many levels and issues. Most all organizations, politicians and individuals with power are now using only the science that supports their agenda.

I encourage everyone to spend more of their energy researching the information that is feed to them that is trying gain their support of an agenda. The more research you do of today’s science, the more you will realize that we are FUCKING UP NOW, just like people did in the past.

Example: There is a large group of people, including university professors that believe all fish hatcheries should be removed from our rivers because they are not a “Natural part of nature”. Then they use studies that show how native and hatchery fish behave differently in the rivers. They quote studies that show native fish appear to be more aggressive while hatchery fish appear to be less so. They then go on to say this proves how bad hatcheries are on the environment because native fish might spawn with hatchery fish, which would result in a weaker species.

So I read the entire study they quoted. Guess what I found out? While the study did show “some” native fish are more aggressive than “some” hatchery fish, it also showed “some” hatchery fish were more aggressive than “some” native fish. When you balanced out the behaviors, they were no differences between native and hatchery fish. They only used the part of the study that supported their agenda, and ignored the parts of the same study that proved their agenda was wrong.
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Great post! I think there have been great renaissance periods throughout history but always tell my son that my generation did fuck up. Born in the 50's we went from a thriving period of innovation to an entertainment crazed, substance abusing, selfish period of apathy in a lot of ways. Some good has come out of it in terms of equality and tolerance but too many of my generation sat in front of a TV and basically consumed themselves into ill health and addictive behavior. Transportion access has definitely had an impact on the escalation of damage we can achieve globally. I was on a boat in southeast asia and a barge was dumping garbage on the shores of the Tonkin gulf...talked to the sailors from that ship and they told me it was garbage from New York City that they paid the locals to dump on their shores because it's illegal to do that in the Atlantic
 
riverman said:
  • by some folks accounts, that's a few hundred years ago in the scope of human history but irregardless of the timeline, humans have miscalculated the truth and propped up their theological beliefs or non beliefs by less than objective means throughout most of history. The term religious war is an oxymoron we've been forced to evolve through or suffer the wrath of the powers that use it as a politcal agenda. Science is a process of elimination through experimentation and result. Religion is based on belief or faith in a set of guidelines that is for the most part, extremely rigid. Lao Tse made the most sense to me because he left it entirely up to the individual and believed that any attempt to organize a theology would fail..the answers were all to be found in nature and were actually very simple..it's people who complicate the experience of life and predict an outcome..not everyone needs an answer to life's journey or afterlife's judgements
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We are talking about the "popular account". There are people today that still thinks the world is flat. Who gives a fuck what they think?!

To think that religion and science cannot work together is fucking moronic, especially seeing religion funding a great deal of science through the history of science. Whatever their agenda was, it couldn't of happened without their money. Just like why there isn't research for ALS because there isn't enough suffering from the disease for science to find a cure.

Don't act so pompous on the anti-theism camp
 
dviss1 said:
Please explain. And let's not talk about the "infallible" Pope.
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The bible says all men come short from the glory of God. The Popes, which supposedly is the highest of high in the catholic faith falls short throughout history. It's happened over and over, therefor the results of multiple testing is "all come short"
 
magnifier661 said:
The bible says all men come short from the glory of God. The Popes, which supposedly is the highest of high in the catholic faith falls short throughout history. It's happened over and over, therefor the results of multiple testing is "all come short"
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LOL. That doesn't mean that the bible "God' word" isn't infallible to those with Christian beliefs. Those beliefs never change or waver no matter what science proves.
 
dviss1 said:
LOL. That doesn't mean that the bible "God' word" isn't infallible to those with Christian beliefs. Those beliefs never change or waver no matter what science proves.
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Well, technically that concept is infallible and science has proven that.
 
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