Why Do Many Reasonable People Doubt Science?

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magnifier661 said:
Good, so we agree that religion and science can coexist. Time to move on
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Hi Mags. In the sense that your personal religious belief is rather non-traditional and seems to be quite malleable I'd agree this statement might apply to you. You tend to morph to believe whatever fits science as best you as understand it and is also compatible with your personal moral intuitions, with disregard for any form of literalism.

As for more traditional religious beliefs they can coexist with science in in the minds of people who compartmentalize the two, but in the external world where science is continually marginalizing religion their ultimate compatibility is suspect. I was quite surprised to see this point recently made by a FNC regular (Krauthammer).
 
crowTrobot said:
Hi Mags. In the sense that your personal religious belief is rather non-traditional and seems to be quite malleable I'd agree this statement might apply to you. You tend to morph to believe whatever fits science as best you as understand it and is also compatible with your personal moral intuitions, with disregard for any form of literalism.

As for more traditional religious beliefs they can coexist with science in in the minds of people who compartmentalize the two, but in the external world where science is continually marginalizing religion their ultimate compatibility is suspect. I was quite surprised to see this point recently made by a FNC regular (Krauthammer).
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Hey crow,

I fully understand and mostly agree with your point on how science literally disproving specific stories of the bible, but I can't agree that these stories are as literal as many believe. What I do understand if that anyone being religious should embrace and welcome science because it could teach us the true nature of God, seeing the wonders of creation and power of the universe.

If, in fact, the universe was created by God, then it's pretty marvelous on the vast perfection! ;)
 
oldfisherman said:
misleading science taught in a school with an agenda
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There it is! The exact problem. It isn't science that causes the dispute, it is the use of the word science to push and agenda. Worse yet, training tools with just enough information to push the agenda and call them scientists.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
why should anyone take your word for what jesus "really meant"?
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Well, one reason would be to learn, but if that is not your goal, I don't really give a shit.
 
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Not the rape of virgins but rape commanded by the God of Abraham. A child is killed too:

2 Samuel 12:11-14King James Version (KJV)
11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
 
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dviss1 said:
Not the rape of virgins but rape commanded by the God of Abraham. A child is killed too:

2 Samuel 12:11-14King James Version (KJV)
11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
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I guess I must not see where it says rape.
 
dviss1 said:
Not the rape of virgins but rape commanded by the God of Abraham. A child is killed too:

2 Samuel 12:11-14King James Version (KJV)
11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
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Amen
 
dviss1 said:
Not the rape of virgins but rape commanded by the God of Abraham. A child is killed too:

2 Samuel 12:11-14King James Version (KJV)
11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
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Sorry to see you distraught by this ancient Hebrew yarn dviss. I hope you recover.
 
riverman said:
click to expand...it says I will take thy wives before thine eyes #11
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It says God will take David's wives and give them to David's neighbor. That is not rape. That is God exercising his divine sovereignty.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It says God will take David's wives and give them to David's neighbor. That is not rape. That is God exercising his divine sovereignty.
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It's rape and maybe forced prostitution if someone takes you wife and makes her fuck your neighbor..so the rape is set up by this divine dude but really it's what pimps do. When you read the passages you have to keep in mind eunichs or celibate monks were translating the language from Aramaic, Hebrew, Farsi and probably other languages..there's bound to be some misinterpretation down the line. Whatever happened to not coveting your brothers wife?
 
If rape were bad it would be one of the 10 Commandments.
 
riverman said:
It's rape and maybe forced prostitution if someone takes you wife and makes her fuck your neighbor..so the rape is set up by this divine dude but really it's what pimps do. When you read the passages you have to keep in mind eunichs or celibate monks were translating the language from Aramaic, Hebrew, Farsi and probably other languages..there's bound to be some misinterpretation down the line. Whatever happened to not coveting your brothers wife?
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No problem. My brother' wife is unattractive and a major bitch to boot....
 
I just wish the non-scientifically inclined could see how beautiful and inspirational science and the search for reasoned, objective facts can be. Likewise, I am sure that many religious just wish the non-religious could see how beautiful and inspirational the word of god is to them. But, alas I don't see it. I don't know if it's possible for the two types of thinking to actually comprehend the perspective of the other. We can try, I attempt to, but I fall short. Mags walks the line and sees both god and science as beautiful, but I feel he often misunderstands both perspectives in his attempt to marry the two. But I'm glad he tries.
 
Unfortunately we, as humans can't know the answer to everything, and I doubt we ever will. At least in this life. Just based on my life experiences and observations, I honestly believe you can't have science without God and you can't have God without science. They may well be one and the same. I for one am personally satisfied with that and am content to let it ride for the rest of this particular rodeo.
 
The space program actually pioneered some attempt with getting cosmonauts from the former Soviet Union to work in tandem with astronauts that were predominately Christian so it does occur.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Unfortunately we, as humans can't know the answer to everything, and I doubt we ever will. At least in this life. Just based on my life experiences and observations, I honestly believe you can't have science without God and you can't have God without science. They may well be one and the same. I for one am personally satisfied with that and am content to let it ride for the rest of this particular rodeo.
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I think knowing the answer to everything is overrated
 
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