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maxiep said:
Exactly. Get the government out of the marriage business. Create civil unions for everyone who wants them--straight, gay, polygyny, polyandry, group marriage, whatever. Marriage should be the provence of churches only. Repped.
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Anyone over 50 would think you are the anti-christ for even suggesting this. However, it is the correct viewpoint.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
If that's true, he clearly has a conflict of interest. Look for an appeal. Whether the appeal has any merit is another thing.
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If that's true, he would also clearly have a conflict of interest if he were bisexual, homosexual, or asexual.
 
maxiep said:
Exactly. Get the government out of the marriage business. Create civil unions for everyone who wants them--straight, gay, polygyny, polyandry, group marriage, whatever. Marriage should be the provence of churches only. Repped.
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Since the majority of Americans do not belong to a church, and most of them are aware there is no mythical super-being in the sky anyway, your solution is pure discrimination.
 
MARIS61 said:
Since the majority of Americans do not belong to a church, and most of them are aware there is no mythical super-being in the sky anyway, your solution is pure discrimination.
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Link? Facts? Seriously... the MAJORITY of Americans don't believe in God or go to church? I would LOVE to see some verifiable statistics on that.
 
MARIS61 said:
Since the majority of Americans do not belong to a church, and most of them are aware there is no mythical super-being in the sky anyway, your solution is pure discrimination.
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Wow did you miss the point.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Link? Facts? Seriously... the MAJORITY of Americans don't believe in God or go to church? I would LOVE to see some verifiable statistics on that.
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Common sense and personal experience.

Not all people who go to church BELONG to a church. I don't, I am an atheist, but I have gone to many different churches over the course of my life to experience them and investigate their absurd claims. Most people in America, providing they are not of retirement age, have had ample years of factual educational scientific evidence disproving the possibility of anything remotely resembling a "god". It's a leap of logic only the severely retarded or severely isolated could make honestly.

Americans attend church for the lucrative business contacts (most males fall into this category), or a desperation to belong to something socially (most women), or the need to be considered "good" or "better" than others, but mainly in the end it's out of simple cowardice. They are terrified to buck the crowd mentality and possibly be ostracized for their views. I'd say maybe 10% of church-goers are ignorant enough to actually believe in the possibility of a god. The rest are liars and chickenshits.

A national lie detector test would reveal a only tiny % who actually believe in that fairy tale shit.

An end to all tax exemptions and subsidies for these private country clubs, which is what they really are, would easily balance the budget for our country.

God would want them to pay their way.
 
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MARIS61 said:
Not all people who go to church BELONG to a church. I don't, I am an atheist, but I have gone to many different churches over the course of my life to experience them and investigate their absurd claims. Most people in America, providing they are not of retirement age, have had ample years of factual educational scientific evidence disproving the possibility of anything remotely resembling a "god". It's a leap of logic only the severely retarded or severely isolated could make honestly.

Americans attend church for the lucrative business contacts (most males fall into this category), or a desperation to belong to something socially (most women), but mainly in the end it's out of simple cowardice. They are terrified to buck the crowd mentality and possibly be ostracized for their views. I'd say maybe 10% of church-goers are ignorant enough to actually believe in the possibility of a god. The rest are liars and chickenshits.

A national lie detector test would reveal a only tiny % who actually believe in that fairy tale shit.
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As a hardcore agnostic, I gotta say.... you got some issues, dood.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
As a hardcore agnostic...
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That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

As for my issues with organized religion, yeah, they're major.

Organized religion is inherently evil. It's this country's biggest enemy and biggest economic drain. It's the standard excuse for all wars and oppression, and the single largest haven in the world for abusers of children and women. If one could eliminate the existence of religion, even at this late stage, mankind might still stand a chance of survival.
 
You can argue about what "should be" in terms of everyone having civil unions and religious bodies having religious marriage. But in reality that's pretty much what exists for straight couples. Marriage is civil marriage and they can if they wish have a religious ceremony as well. The religious ceremony has no bearing on legal recognition; that is conferred by the state-issued marriage license. So saying everyone should have the same civil ceremony is in fact exactly what Judge Walker ruled.

You know if you want to debate a ruling, once again, not a bad idea to actually read it. It's on line and not hard reading, very little legalese. I have zero legal training and got through it in 2 hours and that was writing extensive notes in margins with a busted thumb.
 
MARIS61 said:
Common sense and personal experience.

Not all people who go to church BELONG to a church. I don't, I am an atheist, but I have gone to many different churches over the course of my life to experience them and investigate their absurd claims. Most people in America, providing they are not of retirement age, have had ample years of factual educational scientific evidence disproving the possibility of anything remotely resembling a "god". It's a leap of logic only the severely retarded or severely isolated could make honestly.

Americans attend church for the lucrative business contacts (most males fall into this category), or a desperation to belong to something socially (most women), or the need to be considered "good" or "better" than others, but mainly in the end it's out of simple cowardice. They are terrified to buck the crowd mentality and possibly be ostracized for their views. I'd say maybe 10% of church-goers are ignorant enough to actually believe in the possibility of a god. The rest are liars and chickenshits.

A national lie detector test would reveal a only tiny % who actually believe in that fairy tale shit.

An end to all tax exemptions and subsidies for these private country clubs, which is what they really are, would easily balance the budget for our country.

God would want them to pay their way.
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Thank You God
 
It's a leap of logic only the severely retarded or severely isolated could make honestly.
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Sir, I believe you are the only one that is severly retarded
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
Sir, I believe you are the only one that is severly retarded
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I think throwing the term retarded around, on both parts isn't a good idea. I personally doubt there is a god, but can't prove one way or the other.
 
westnob said:
I think throwing the term retarded around, on both parts isn't a good idea. I personally doubt there is a god, but can't prove one way or the other.
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Main Entry: re·tard·ed
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈtär-dəd\
Function: adjective
Date: 1895

sometimes offensive : slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

Wasn't meant as an insult, simply an explanation for why some people in this enlightened age still believe in mythical super-beings who live in the heavens.

It seems the right term for the point I was making, and anyone it applies to probably wouldn't notice at all.
 
MARIS61 said:
Americans attend church for the lucrative business contacts (most males fall into this category), or a desperation to belong to something socially (most women), or the need to be considered "good" or "better" than others, but mainly in the end it's out of simple cowardice. They are terrified to buck the crowd mentality and possibly be ostracized for their views. I'd say maybe 10% of church-goers are ignorant enough to actually believe in the possibility of a god. The rest are liars and chickenshits.

A national lie detector test would reveal a only tiny % who actually believe in that fairy tale shit.
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I hate to brake the news to you, but 40% of Americans think Jesus will return by 2050.

You have vastly underrated the stupidity and wishful thinking in this country.
 
I guess maxiep has answered my question about civil discourse.
 
MARIS61 said:
Main Entry: re·tard·ed
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈtär-dəd\
Function: adjective
Date: 1895

sometimes offensive : slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

Wasn't meant as an insult, simply an explanation for why some people in this enlightened age still believe in mythical super-beings who live in the heavens.

It seems the right term for the point I was making, and anyone it applies to probably wouldn't notice at all.
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and you don't exactly get away with referring to people as gay when they're happy anymore. Or saying this situation seems a little queer, when it looks odd. You could probably also find the word niggger in a dictionary from 1895, taht doesn't mean it should be used.
 
westnob said:
I love how they gave up on the round numbers. 1000!... aw... 2000! ... aw... He's coming, i swear!!!
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If he came quickly, his followers would be unsatisfied.

barfo
 
Reading the above article, there's only one thing that really jumps out at me as improper.

Moreover, Walker noted, the state did not defend Prop. 8. Instead, private organizations stepped in - but they might not have standing to appeal.

"It appears at least doubtful," Walker wrote, "that proponents will be able to proceed with their appeal without a state defendant ... In light of those concerns, proponents may have little choice but to attempt to convince either the governor or the attorney general to file an appeal."
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Agree with the decision or not, the state officials do have an obligation to defend the law. It is the law (was the law prior to the decision), voted into law according to the state constitution. The 52% who voted for the law absolutely deserved representation in the arguing of the case.
 
Denny Crane said:
Reading the above article, there's only one thing that really jumps out at me as improper.



Agree with the decision or not, the state officials do have an obligation to defend the law. It is the law (was the law prior to the decision), voted into law according to the state constitution. The 52% who voted for the law absolutely deserved representation in the arguing of the case.
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So, this now falls on Jerry Brown's lap? I bet he's thrilled to have to rule on this in the middle of a campaign.
 
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