Politics Why don't Republicans care?

[yankeesince59]

So now I'm Sparky....or am I inferring/implying that incorrectly? I was looking for a legitimate response to what I posted. Can see that isn't going to happen in this case but it has become at least worth a laugh. Cheers.

Which is exactly why I used "sparky"...you seem to want to have a convo but when a reply doesn't suit you, you also seem have some sort of fixation of replying with condescending comments...and so I decided to return the favor.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Hoopguru]

When was Biden helping to get his crackhead Son a job in the Ukraine first become a big issue ?

Answer; not until Trump made it one.

Trump and Joe both have lose lips that can sink ships! Both have big time ego's and are idiots.
I just don't Joe will get the nomination.

 

[Lanny]

It's not that Republicans don't care. It's often times that they are rightfully questioning about why the resonse is so different from president to president. The aid was actually approved under Obama's administration....and Ukraine never got it. But not one word of question, investigation or an eybrow raised when that didn't happen even though there are now starting to be details of how involved some of our politicians are in corruption over there. Ukraine has long been very corrupt and for better or worse, Trump has an issue with that.

No one seemed to care when Biden (on video) said exactly what Trump is being accused of. He bragged about witholding the aid until the person looking into his son's corruption was fired. Not a single word! But when Trump then inquired of the incident and details around it, complete havoc. The supposed meeting required to get the aid....didn't occur. Everyone involved in the conversation said no pressure was exerted and no investigation ever took place...and yet Ukraine still got the mony....under Trump.

Now we may never know every last detail of what happened under either administration but there are certain facts (due to Joe's bradgadocious) that we can at least objectively look at and ask, 'Why such a different respones?"

Let's get this right, TBpup:
From Wikipedia -
"Congress appropriated $400million in military aid to Ukraine for fiscal year 2019, to be used to spend on weapons and other equipment as well as programs to assist the Ukrainian military in combating threats from Putin's Russia and Russian-backed separatists of the self-proclaimed separatist entities in eastern Ukraine."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Ukraine_scandal

Obama was at home with his family and all moved out of the White House long before that.

I have no idea where you got a wild eyed thought that somehow Obama had held up this aid. Maybe more research would have cleared the air.

 

[Lanny]

Nothing of any substance at all. Empty, rigged versions of better bills that they obstructed in the House. Tons of meaningless resolutions and hypocrisy. Massive bloating of the government, all on taxes stolen from the middle class and our military and seniors.
Cowardice and treason when faced with dangerous enemies. Endless wars,
election riggings and spying on American Citizens.
That's the Dem platform.

Huh? Obama Care is nothing of substance? Try removing it and see the reaction.

 

[Lanny]

The focus is not on Hispanics. The focus is on anyone that can harm our country and citizens.

It is well known that terrorist organizations have working relations with drug/people smugglers in Mexico.

Here is the point the dems are missing.

I do not believe Trumps wall is the best answer to this problem. But, it is a far better answer than the dems response of leading their tribe over a cliff and diving head first into quicksand.

My point is, the dems need to be selling a better product than Trump. Come up with a better plan that addresses immigration issues, both outside and inside our country, and I will vote for it.

Beat Trump at his own game.

"It is well known that terrorist organizations have working relations with drug/people smugglers in Mexico."
It is well known by who? Trump? You?
How about a credible link? Please don't consider a statement by Barr to be credible.
An assertion in a debate needs credible evidence.

 

[yankeesince59]

Trump and Joe both have lose lips that can sink ships! Both have big time ego's and are idiots.
I just don't Joe will get the nomination.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Biden's either and if there is dirt on him it should be brought to light. But at this point the main reason he is being a topic of conversation is because Trump and the GOP have made it an issue in an effort to divert attention away from Trump's faux pas.

Unless someone else decides to challenge Trump for the GOP nod I'll be forced to go with either Klobuchar, Pete, Steyer, or Bloomberg, in no particular order of preference.

 

[Lanny]

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Biden's either and if there is dirt on him it should be brought to light. But at this point the main reason he is being a topic of conversation is because Trump and the GOP have made it an issue in an effort to divert attention away from Trump's faux pas.

Unless someone else decides to challenge Trump for the GOP nod I'll be forced to go with either Klobuchar, Pete, Steyer, or Bloomberg, in no particular order of preference.

Look guys, it's not for me to decide. All I can do is see the writing on the wall and I see that Biden is our next President. Is there a chance that it could be another Democrat? Sure, but the chances are slim to none.

 

[yankeesince59]

Look guys, it's not for me to decide. All I can do is see the writing on the wall and I see that Biden is our next President. Is there a chance that it could be another Democrat? Sure, but the chances are slim to none.

That's the way it's looking at this point, Lanny. Biden is not my first choice but if it comes down to Trump or Biden, yeah, I'll definitely go with Biden.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Look guys, it's not for me to decide. All I can do is see the writing on the wall and I see that Biden is our next President. Is there a chance that it could be another Democrat? Sure, but the chances are slim to none.

Not sure what wall you’re reading, as the only people pushing the “Biden as front runner” narrative is the MSM. The guy has “loser” written all over him, and if he’s the Democratic candidate I (and more than a few people I know) will vote Libertarian (again) this fall, consequences be damned. Biden is just more of the same regurgitated business as usual that led to the Trump debacle.....

 

[yankeesince59]

Not sure what wall you’re reading, as the only people pushing the “Biden as front runner” narrative is the MSM. The guy has “loser” written all over him, and if he’s the Democratic candidate I (and more than a few people I know) will vote Libertarian (again) this fall, consequences be damned. Biden is just more of the same regurgitated business as usual that led to the Trump debacle.....

Do you think a solid/viable Libertarian would take more votes away from Trump or Biden?

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Don’t know and really don’t care. Sometime you just have to vote your conscience and let the chips fall where they will. But if I had to guess, I’d say the majority of the votes would come from Sleazy Donny’s side of the ledger.....but then, people in general are lemmings, so who really knows?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

FACT CHECK: JOE BIDEN HAS ADVOCATED CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY FOR 40 YEARS

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/

 

[CupWizier]

But what he was referring to is when he WAS VP. Just a little investigation would do wonders.

It's been explained a million times. The USA withheld the funds for the benefit of the country and the rest of the world while trump withheld the funds for the benefit of his re-election campaign. Do you really not see the difference? You trump believers need to stop enabling his corruption.

Border wall: Mexico was suppose to pay for it and now trump steals funds from other departments to build a wall

Tax Cut: Benefits the 1% and barely a benefit for the middle class

Tax Cuts for the middle class: These were announced by trump right before the 2018 elections to try and boost voting for the republicans and it never materialized once the elections were over. False advertising

Syria: Pulls out troops to the benefit of Turkey and Russia and leaves millions of Kurds vulnerable as the region goes ballistic causing thousands of deaths

Iran: Takes out a high ranking Iranian general without alerting Iraq, congress or any of the other countries effected causing a possible retaliation in the future which puts more peoples lives in danger

Trump acts like a school yard bully with name calling, personal attacks and lies.

Mar A Lago: Shouldn't the government own that property by now with all the funds being channeled to trumps properties to his benefit to take more vacations than pretty much any other president

NAFTA: Tears up NAFTA only to present another deal that is being called Nafta 2.0 so that his name is attached to it

North Korea: Kim Jun Un plays trump like a fiddle and continues their nuclear program while trump touts NK has agreed to denuclearize which is proven false



Those a re just some of the issues as the list can go on and on, but yet guys like you continue to enable him for whatever reason

 

[yankeesince59]

Don’t know and really don’t care. Sometime you just have to vote your conscience and let the chips fall where they will. But if I had to guess, I’d say the majority of the votes would come from Sleazy Donny’s side of the ledger.....but then, people in general are lemmings, so who really knows?

Gotta believe there's some data somewhere that might shed some light on my question. Instead of strictly voting Right or Left, I'd prefer to vote more in the middle but if it is shown that voting Libertarian would actually benefit Trump there's no way I'd vote in a way that would actually help return Trump to office.

I totally get the "vote my conscience" stance but I think I also need to be practical. What I'm saying is that if I'm confronted with having another 4 years of Trump or one of the 4 hopefuls I mention earlier, I'd certainly vote more so against Trump. BUT, if there were a Libertarian who has a real shot at beating Trump I'd probably lean that way. Regardless, simply voting Libertarian might either help or hurt Trump, which is why I posed the question.

It's quite a conundrum.

 

[oldfisherman]

"It is well known that terrorist organizations have working relations with drug/people smugglers in Mexico."
It is well known by who? Trump? You?
How about a credible link? Please don't consider a statement by Barr to be credible.
An assertion in a debate needs credible evidence.

First, Mexico's drug/people smugglers operate under the rules of show me the money. They will take anyone accross the border, without a character test or background check, including terrorist.

Second, one of the sources of money for the terrorists is their drug smuggling trade. Tons of info on this topic. Some of the drugs the terrorist in Iran and Afganistain smuggle does end up in the USA. With the Mexican smugglers as middlemen. That can not happen without a working relationship between the terrorist and drug cartels.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Gotta believe there's some data somewhere that might shed some light on my question. Instead of strictly voting Right or Left, I'd prefer to vote more in the middle but if it is shown that voting Libertarian would actually benefit Trump there's no way I'd vote in a way that would actually help return Trump to office.

I totally get the "vote my conscience" stance but I think I also need to be practical. What I'm saying is that if I'm confronted with having another 4 years of Trump or one of the 4 hopefuls I mention earlier, I'd certainly vote more so against Trump. BUT, if there were a Libertarian who has a real shot at beating Trump I'd probably lean that way. Regardless, simply voting Libertarian might either help or hurt Trump, which is why I posed the question.

It's quite a conundrum.

Unfortunately, I don’t anticipate a strong Libertarian candidate. But one can hope. My first (and only) choice for a Democratic candidate is Klobuchar. Of anyone on the horizon of either main party, she is far and away the most centrist candidate. She’s remained even keeled and steadfast, while every other candidate (including Trump) has spewed out whatever pandering bullshit will win votes. AK is a pragmatist and a plodder who just might plod her way into the nomination. I’m actually looking forward to the Democratic National Convention......unless the DNC hijacks the process again and anoints their own chosen candidate (again) prior to the convention. IMHO, the Democrats were a shoe in in 2016 until Wassermann Schultz handed the nomination to her self entitled BFF. That pissed off WAY too many voters, (including yours truly....who is not now and never was a Bernie fan). It’s highly unlikely they’ve learned anything despite the shit show of the past 3+ years........so yeah, unless things change, I’m Libertarian or bust.

 

[CupWizier]

First, Mexico's drug/people smugglers operate under the rules of show me the money. They will take anyone accross the border, without a character test or background check, including terrorist.

Second, one of the sources of money for the terrorists is their drug smuggling trade. Tons of info on this topic. Some of the drugs the terrorist in Iran and Afganistain smuggle does end up in the USA. With the Mexican smugglers as middlemen. That can not happen without a working relationship between the terrorist and drug cartels.

Do you know that 90% of the drugs coming into the country usually come through the port of entry? How does a wall stop that? More security and technology should be used to detect these drugs and smugglers rather than build a wall that Mexico was suppose to pay for.

 

[yankeesince59]

Unfortunately, I don’t anticipate a strong Libertarian candidate. But one can hope. My first (and only) choice for a Democratic candidate is Klobuchar. Of anyone on the horizon of either main party, she is far and away the most centrist candidate. She’s remained even keeled and steadfast, while every other candidate (including Trump) has spewed out whatever pandering bullshit will win votes. AK is a pragmatist and a plodder who just might plod her way into the nomination. I’m actually looking forward to the Democratic National Convention......unless the DNC hijacks the process again and anoints their own chosen candidate (again) prior to the convention. IMHO, the Democrats were a shoe in in 2016 until Wassermann Schultz handed the nomination to her self entitled BFF. That pissed off WAY too many voters, (including yours truly....who is not now and never was a Bernie fan). It’s highly unlikely they’ve learned anything despite the shit show of the past 3+ years........so yeah, unless things change, I’m Libertarian or bust.

I also like Amy Klobuchar the most out of the current crop....I also like Pete but I think his sexuality will at this point too much to overcome...and unless there's a viable Libertarian, Blomberg or Steyer would be my next choices

 

[yankeesince59]

Do you know that 90% of the drugs coming into the country usually come through the port of entry? How does a wall stop that? More security and technology should be used to detect these drugs and smugglers rather than build a wall that Mexico was suppose to pay for.

THIS^^^...the amount of drugs smuggled across the border on the backs of immigrants in minuscule compared to bulk shipments.

 

[Lanny]

Not sure what wall you’re reading, as the only people pushing the “Biden as front runner” narrative is the MSM. The guy has “loser” written all over him, and if he’s the Democratic candidate I (and more than a few people I know) will vote Libertarian (again) this fall, consequences be damned. Biden is just more of the same regurgitated business as usual that led to the Trump debacle.....

Suit yourself. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything other than that I see Biden as the eventual front runner to the nomination. Could I be wrong? Of course, I just don't think so. Just to make it certain, I'm not telling anyone that they are wrong and I am right, I'm just saying that this is how I, The Big L, see it. I'd also like to point out that I am omniscient and have never been wrong about anything in my life. Oh, come on, I'm just messin' with you.

 

[Lanny]

THIS^^^...the amount of drugs smuggled across the border on the backs of immigrants in minuscule compared to bulk shipments.

This news is very well known for years. I'm pretty sure I recall seeing DEA stats on the subject.

 

[yankeesince59]

Saturday, January 18
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination SurveyUSA Biden 32, Sanders 21, Warren 14, Buttigieg 9, Bloomberg 9, Yang 4, Klobuchar 2, Steyer 3, Gabbard 2, Booker, Bennet Biden +11

Suit yourself. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything other than that I see Biden as the eventual front runner to the nomination. Could I be wrong? Of course, I just don't think so. Just to make it certain, I'm not telling anyone that they are wrong and I am right, I'm just saying that this is how I, The Big L, see it. I'd also like to point out that I am omniscient and have never been wrong about anything in my life. Oh, come on, I'm just messin' with you.

Biden is in fact the front runner at this point according to most polls;

 

[oldfisherman]

This news is very well known for years. I'm pretty sure I recall seeing DEA stats on the subject.

Key points overlooked.

The terrorist do not have a drug distribution system in the USA. They use the drug cartels distribution organization.

Since containers keep coming up in the conversation.
What % of terrorist being smuggled into the USA come by container?

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Saturday, January 18
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination SurveyUSA Biden 32, Sanders 21, Warren 14, Buttigieg 9, Bloomberg 9, Yang 4, Klobuchar 2, Steyer 3, Gabbard 2, Booker, Bennet Biden +11


Biden is in fact the front runner at this point according to most polls;

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One can hope that they are the same polls who said Hillary was a lock to win in 2016. And, considering that Real Clear Politics is a right wing rag (albeit a fairly highly polished one) I only trust it as far as I can throw it. But then I guess I’d say that about pretty much any polls. Their only value is to sway the undecided to whichever side the pollsters work for.....

 

[Hoopguru]

Do you think a solid/viable Libertarian would take more votes away from Trump or Biden?

I actually think Trump.
There are to many moderate conservatives / independents that will vote Libertarian rather than Trump or Joe.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[julius]

Honestly, I'd like an update on her please. And before I continue, just to make sure, she's not a member on the board right?

 

[julius]

ha! awesome, there's more

 

[julius]

I love the way she goes "accept jesus in your life, bitch!"