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The left denies reality, even on such basic things as male/female, and still they like to think of themselves as being tbis enlightened party of science.
 
crandc said:
Me too.
Why do trolls have such terrible writing skills?
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The MAGA’s are absolutely losing their minds about student debt forgiveness but have absolutely no problem whatsoever with a military budget of $800 billion.
Let’s ban some more books! Trump 2024!
 
ABM said:
Probably why so many Californians are relocating to Florida and Tennessee. We talk to them every day.
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ABM said:
My post was duly edited.

Point is, lots and lots of Californians moving down here. They don't give a rip what Gavin has to say nor what he does,
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Californians are moving everywhere. They are getting priced out because California is so desirable.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Californians are moving everywhere. They are getting priced out because California is so desirable.
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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-29/california-exodus-continues-l-a-san-francisco-lead-the-way#:~:text=Wealth, class and remote work,as people flee big cities&text=Kahn also pointed out that,life are driving out residents.

California exodus continues, with L.A., San Francisco leading the way: ‘Why are we here?’

After living in the Bay Area for nearly seven years, Hari Raghavan and his wife decided to leave for the East Coast late last year.

They were both working remotely and wanted to leave California because of the high cost of living and urban crime.So they made a list of potential relocation cities before choosing Miami for its sunny weather and what they perceived was a better sense of safety.

Raghavan said that their Oakland house had been broken into four times and that prior to the pandemic, his wife called him every day during her seven-minute walk home from the BART station because she felt safer with someone on the phone. After moving to Miami, Raghavan said they accidentally left their garage door open one day and were floored when they returned home and found nothing had been stolen.

“We moved to the Bay Area because we had to be there if you want to work in tech and start-ups, and now that that’s no longer a tether, we took a long hard look and said, ‘Wait, why are we here again?’ ” Raghavan said.

He said there wasn’t much draw in California’s quality of life, local or social policies, or cost of living. “That forced us to question where we actually wanted to live,” he said.

An acceleration of people leaving coastal California began during the first year of the pandemic. But new data show it continued even after lockdowns and other COVID restrictions eased.

California ranks second in the country for outbound moves — a phenomenon that has snowballed during the pandemic, according to a report from the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, which tracked data from moving company United Van Lines. Between 2018 and 2019, California had an outbound move rate of 56%. That rate rose to nearly 60% in 2020-21.

Citing changes in work-life balance, opportunities for remote work and more people deciding to quit their jobs, the report found that droves of Californians are leaving for states like Texas, Virginia, Washington and Florida. California lost more than 352,000 residents between April 2020 and January 2022, according to California Department of Finance statistics.......
 
ABM said:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-29/california-exodus-continues-l-a-san-francisco-lead-the-way#:~:text=Wealth, class and remote work,as people flee big cities&text=Kahn also pointed out that,life are driving out residents.

California exodus continues, with L.A., San Francisco leading the way: ‘Why are we here?’

After living in the Bay Area for nearly seven years, Hari Raghavan and his wife decided to leave for the East Coast late last year.

They were both working remotely and wanted to leave California because of the high cost of living and urban crime.So they made a list of potential relocation cities before choosing Miami for its sunny weather and what they perceived was a better sense of safety.

Raghavan said that their Oakland house had been broken into four times and that prior to the pandemic, his wife called him every day during her seven-minute walk home from the BART station because she felt safer with someone on the phone. After moving to Miami, Raghavan said they accidentally left their garage door open one day and were floored when they returned home and found nothing had been stolen.

“We moved to the Bay Area because we had to be there if you want to work in tech and start-ups, and now that that’s no longer a tether, we took a long hard look and said, ‘Wait, why are we here again?’ ” Raghavan said.

He said there wasn’t much draw in California’s quality of life, local or social policies, or cost of living. “That forced us to question where we actually wanted to live,” he said.

An acceleration of people leaving coastal California began during the first year of the pandemic. But new data show it continued even after lockdowns and other COVID restrictions eased.

California ranks second in the country for outbound moves — a phenomenon that has snowballed during the pandemic, according to a report from the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, which tracked data from moving company United Van Lines. Between 2018 and 2019, California had an outbound move rate of 56%. That rate rose to nearly 60% in 2020-21.

Citing changes in work-life balance, opportunities for remote work and more people deciding to quit their jobs, the report found that droves of Californians are leaving for states like Texas, Virginia, Washington and Florida. California lost more than 352,000 residents between April 2020 and January 2022, according to California Department of Finance statistics.......
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You'll notice all of the states people are moving to have lower cost of living than California.
 
I'd be happy if droves of people left Oregon.

Here is @ABM after saying a snarky response then pasting articles that don't really mean what he thinks they mean to back up his argument.

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SlyPokerCat said:
I'd be happy if droves of people left Oregon.

Here is @ABM after saying a snarky response then pasting articles that don't really mean what he thinks they mean to back up his argument.

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Nah, many people just don't like living in California anymore - for many, many reasons. That was just one article. It's the reverse Beverly Hillbillies effect.
 
Oregon is tough for young people as cost of housing as a percentage of income isn't great compared to other States.
 
ABM said:
Nah, many people just don't like living in California anymore - for many, many reasons. That was just one article. It's the reverse Beverly Hillbillies effect.
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Mostly cost of living and the fact that people can work remotely now. You keep banging that "California is a shithole" drum though.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Mostly cost of living and the fact that people can work remotely now. You keep banging that "California is a shithole" drum though.
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I'm not "banging" on anything. Facts are facts.
 
Phatguysrule said:
You'll notice all of the states people are moving to have lower cost of living than California.
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Literally says they are moving because of the high cost of living in the second sentence.
Of course all he read and understood was “urban crime” which you find in every city.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Literally says they are moving because of the high cost of living in the second sentence.
Of course all he read and understood was “urban crime” which you find in every city.
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https://www.sbsun.com/2022/03/23/what-is-causing-californians-to-leave-california/


California is quickly becoming like the state of New York, which has experienced domestic out-migration and slow population growth for many years. By contrast, Texas has replaced California as the nation’s fastest-growing (in numerical increase) and most popular destination state.

Why are so many people choosing to leave California?

Various factors contribute to decisions to move.

The leading factor is cost — it is far more expensive to live in California than in other places, and multitudes have decided they are unable or unwilling to pay the premium to live in this state.

Housing, of course, tops the list of expenses.

According to the Zillow Home Value Index (last updated in February), the median home value in California has increased to $669,000 — compared to $220,000 in Texas. For a lot of people, that single (enormous) difference seals the decision to move.

But other costs also drive decisions. A quick glance at the price of a gallon of gas, a utility bill, or a tax bill in California compared to Texas or other states makes one wonder whether the premium is worth paying.

Many also say they are prompted to leave by quality of life concerns. Although California is a natural paradise, it also is plagued by various forms of social disorder, including, in many places, crime, vandalism, and scandalous levels of homelessness. Others complain about the state’s political drift.

Ultimately, the decision comes down to a decision of whether California, or someplace else, is a better place to build a life, raise a family, or enjoy retirement. Often, people have voted with their feet and left the state.
 
ABM said:
https://www.sbsun.com/2022/03/23/what-is-causing-californians-to-leave-california/


California is quickly becoming like the state of New York, which has experienced domestic out-migration and slow population growth for many years. By contrast, Texas has replaced California as the nation’s fastest-growing (in numerical increase) and most popular destination state.

Why are so many people choosing to leave California?

Various factors contribute to decisions to move.

The leading factor is cost — it is far more expensive to live in California than in other places, and multitudes have decided they are unable or unwilling to pay the premium to live in this state.

Housing, of course, tops the list of expenses.

According to the Zillow Home Value Index (last updated in February), the median home value in California has increased to $669,000 — compared to $220,000 in Texas. For a lot of people, that single (enormous) difference seals the decision to move.

But other costs also drive decisions. A quick glance at the price of a gallon of gas, a utility bill, or a tax bill in California compared to Texas or other states makes one wonder whether the premium is worth paying.

Many also say they are prompted to leave by quality of life concerns. Although California is a natural paradise, it also is plagued by various forms of social disorder, including, in many places, crime, vandalism, and scandalous levels of homelessness. Others complain about the state’s political drift.

Ultimately, the decision comes down to a decision of whether California, or someplace else, is a better place to build a life, raise a family, or enjoy retirement. Often, people have voted with their feet and left the state.
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Another link that says leading factor is cost.
 
ABM said:
https://www.sbsun.com/2022/03/23/what-is-causing-californians-to-leave-california/


California is quickly becoming like the state of New York, which has experienced domestic out-migration and slow population growth for many years. By contrast, Texas has replaced California as the nation’s fastest-growing (in numerical increase) and most popular destination state.

Why are so many people choosing to leave California?

Various factors contribute to decisions to move.

The leading factor is cost — it is far more expensive to live in California than in other places, and multitudes have decided they are unable or unwilling to pay the premium to live in this state.

Housing, of course, tops the list of expenses.

According to the Zillow Home Value Index (last updated in February), the median home value in California has increased to $669,000 — compared to $220,000 in Texas. For a lot of people, that single (enormous) difference seals the decision to move.

But other costs also drive decisions. A quick glance at the price of a gallon of gas, a utility bill, or a tax bill in California compared to Texas or other states makes one wonder whether the premium is worth paying.

Many also say they are prompted to leave by quality of life concerns. Although California is a natural paradise, it also is plagued by various forms of social disorder, including, in many places, crime, vandalism, and scandalous levels of homelessness. Others complain about the state’s political drift.

Ultimately, the decision comes down to a decision of whether California, or someplace else, is a better place to build a life, raise a family, or enjoy retirement. Often, people have voted with their feet and left the state.
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The leading factor is cost — it is far more expensive to live in California than in other places, and multitudes have decided they are unable or unwilling to pay the premium to live in this state.
 
RR7 said:
Another link that says leading factor is cost.
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Much of it began during COVID and California's ultra-restrictive policies. Sure, cost is a big deal, too. Why the high costs? Many are fleeing to Texas where businesses can actually thrive.


https://www.governing.com/now/more-people-are-leaving-california-during-the-pandemic

More People Are Leaving California During the Pandemic

A new study found that population loss due to domestic migration out of California has more than doubled since the beginning of COVID-19. Entrances to the state have dropped 38 percent since March 2020.

(TNS) — The number of people moving to California from other states has dropped significantly since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, and more Californians are leaving the state, according to a new study released Wednesday.

The two trends signal that population loss due to domestic migration out of the Golden State has more than doubled since the beginning of the pandemic. The pattern has rippled across California: New entrances to the state have dropped in every county since the end of March 2020. When Californians do move, researchers said they are slightly more likely to leave the state than they were before the start of the pandemic.

Entrances to California from other states have dropped 38 percent since March of last year, while the number of residents leaving to other states has increased 12 percent, the report from the nonpartisan California Policy Lab said.

“The public’s attention has been focused on the so-called ‘CalExodus’ phenomenon, but the reality is that the dramatic drop in ‘CalEntrances’ since the pandemic began has been a bigger driver of recent population changes in the state,” Natalie Holmes, research fellow at the California Policy Lab, said in a statement.

The study found “no evidence of a pronounced exodus” from the state but showed that net entrances from other states have dropped significantly since the start of the pandemic.

“On net today, California loses more than twice as many people to domestic migration as it did before the pandemic,” the report said.


Exits from California increased during the pandemic in eight of the state’s nine economic regions, according to the study, with a 21 percent increase in the Bay Area compared with a 1 percent increase in the Northern California region. The share of people who left California increased from roughly 16 percent in 2016 to 20 percent at the end of September 2021.

Researchers said that since the end of March 2020, new entrances to Bay Area counties have dropped faster than in other parts of the state.

“By the end of September 2021, there were 45 percent fewer people moving into the Bay Area from other U.S. states as compared to the beginning of 2020,” said Evan White, executive director of the California Policy Lab’s UC Berkeley site. “San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties have all lost population to domestic migration for the first time since at least 2016 because of these new patterns.”

Between 2016 and the start of the pandemic, San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara were the only three California counties that received more people from other U.S. states than they sent to other U.S. states.

Many Californians who moved in 2020 stayed in-state, often trading city life in the Bay Area or Los Angeles for suburban or rural communities. A growing number of families have moved inland over the last few years, data show, fueled by the hunt for more open space, a sense of community and affordable housing.

But the migratory shift grew even more pronounced amid the pandemic, experts say, as the barriers to moving dropped for many in large cities, spurred by a newfound ability to work remotely.

“We don’t try to dig into causes here in this report,” Holmes said. “But we all know someone or know someone who knows someone who moved during the pandemic.”
 
ABM said:
Much of it began during COVID and California's ultra-restrictive policies. Sure, cost is a big deal, too. Why the high costs? Many are fleeing to Texas where businesses can actually thrive.


https://www.governing.com/now/more-people-are-leaving-california-during-the-pandemic

More People Are Leaving California During the Pandemic

A new study found that population loss due to domestic migration out of California has more than doubled since the beginning of COVID-19. Entrances to the state have dropped 38 percent since March 2020.

(TNS) — The number of people moving to California from other states has dropped significantly since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, and more Californians are leaving the state, according to a new study released Wednesday.

The two trends signal that population loss due to domestic migration out of the Golden State has more than doubled since the beginning of the pandemic. The pattern has rippled across California: New entrances to the state have dropped in every county since the end of March 2020. When Californians do move, researchers said they are slightly more likely to leave the state than they were before the start of the pandemic.

Entrances to California from other states have dropped 38 percent since March of last year, while the number of residents leaving to other states has increased 12 percent, the report from the nonpartisan California Policy Lab said.

“The public’s attention has been focused on the so-called ‘CalExodus’ phenomenon, but the reality is that the dramatic drop in ‘CalEntrances’ since the pandemic began has been a bigger driver of recent population changes in the state,” Natalie Holmes, research fellow at the California Policy Lab, said in a statement.

The study found “no evidence of a pronounced exodus” from the state but showed that net entrances from other states have dropped significantly since the start of the pandemic.

“On net today, California loses more than twice as many people to domestic migration as it did before the pandemic,” the report said.


Exits from California increased during the pandemic in eight of the state’s nine economic regions, according to the study, with a 21 percent increase in the Bay Area compared with a 1 percent increase in the Northern California region. The share of people who left California increased from roughly 16 percent in 2016 to 20 percent at the end of September 2021.

Researchers said that since the end of March 2020, new entrances to Bay Area counties have dropped faster than in other parts of the state.

“By the end of September 2021, there were 45 percent fewer people moving into the Bay Area from other U.S. states as compared to the beginning of 2020,” said Evan White, executive director of the California Policy Lab’s UC Berkeley site. “San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties have all lost population to domestic migration for the first time since at least 2016 because of these new patterns.”

Between 2016 and the start of the pandemic, San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara were the only three California counties that received more people from other U.S. states than they sent to other U.S. states.

Many Californians who moved in 2020 stayed in-state, often trading city life in the Bay Area or Los Angeles for suburban or rural communities. A growing number of families have moved inland over the last few years, data show, fueled by the hunt for more open space, a sense of community and affordable housing.

But the migratory shift grew even more pronounced amid the pandemic, experts say, as the barriers to moving dropped for many in large cities, spurred by a newfound ability to work remotely.

“We don’t try to dig into causes here in this report,” Holmes said. “But we all know someone or know someone who knows someone who moved during the pandemic.”
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Surely has nothing to do with the fact that many businesses were forced to go remote so folks could earn California wages but live in a place that has lower cost.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Surely has nothing to do with the fact that many businesses were forced to go remote so folks could earn California wages but live in a place that has lower cost.
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Surely.
 
ABM said:
Much of it began during COVID and California's ultra-restrictive policies. Sure, cost is a big deal, too. Why the high costs? Many are fleeing to Texas where businesses can actually thrive.


https://www.governing.com/now/more-people-are-leaving-california-during-the-pandemic

More People Are Leaving California During the Pandemic

A new study found that population loss due to domestic migration out of California has more than doubled since the beginning of COVID-19. Entrances to the state have dropped 38 percent since March 2020.

(TNS) — The number of people moving to California from other states has dropped significantly since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, and more Californians are leaving the state, according to a new study released Wednesday.

The two trends signal that population loss due to domestic migration out of the Golden State has more than doubled since the beginning of the pandemic. The pattern has rippled across California: New entrances to the state have dropped in every county since the end of March 2020. When Californians do move, researchers said they are slightly more likely to leave the state than they were before the start of the pandemic.

Entrances to California from other states have dropped 38 percent since March of last year, while the number of residents leaving to other states has increased 12 percent, the report from the nonpartisan California Policy Lab said.

“The public’s attention has been focused on the so-called ‘CalExodus’ phenomenon, but the reality is that the dramatic drop in ‘CalEntrances’ since the pandemic began has been a bigger driver of recent population changes in the state,” Natalie Holmes, research fellow at the California Policy Lab, said in a statement.

The study found “no evidence of a pronounced exodus” from the state but showed that net entrances from other states have dropped significantly since the start of the pandemic.

“On net today, California loses more than twice as many people to domestic migration as it did before the pandemic,” the report said.


Exits from California increased during the pandemic in eight of the state’s nine economic regions, according to the study, with a 21 percent increase in the Bay Area compared with a 1 percent increase in the Northern California region. The share of people who left California increased from roughly 16 percent in 2016 to 20 percent at the end of September 2021.

Researchers said that since the end of March 2020, new entrances to Bay Area counties have dropped faster than in other parts of the state.

“By the end of September 2021, there were 45 percent fewer people moving into the Bay Area from other U.S. states as compared to the beginning of 2020,” said Evan White, executive director of the California Policy Lab’s UC Berkeley site. “San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties have all lost population to domestic migration for the first time since at least 2016 because of these new patterns.”

Between 2016 and the start of the pandemic, San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara were the only three California counties that received more people from other U.S. states than they sent to other U.S. states.

Many Californians who moved in 2020 stayed in-state, often trading city life in the Bay Area or Los Angeles for suburban or rural communities. A growing number of families have moved inland over the last few years, data show, fueled by the hunt for more open space, a sense of community and affordable housing.

But the migratory shift grew even more pronounced amid the pandemic, experts say, as the barriers to moving dropped for many in large cities, spurred by a newfound ability to work remotely.

“We don’t try to dig into causes here in this report,” Holmes said. “But we all know someone or know someone who knows someone who moved during the pandemic.”
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Spurred by an ability to work remotely...somewhere cheaper than California. Keep digging.
 
I know one person who moved from Oregon and stated their sole reason was politics. They moved to South Dakota (HAHAHAHA).

@ABM doesn't realize that it is easy for righties to throw parting shots at a lefty state even if their main purpose was because of cost.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I know one person who moved from Oregon and stated their sole reason was politics. They moved to South Dakota (HAHAHAHA).

@ABM doesn't realize that it is easy for righties to throw parting shots at a lefty state even if their main purpose was because of cost.
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Texas and Florida (and other states) are smiling and say, "Keep on coming!"
 
ABM said:
Texas and Florida (and other states) are smiling and say, "Keep on coming!"
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I’m no economist but I would think when large amounts of Californians move to a state, that over time, the cost of housing will go up. Just a hunch
 
ABM said:
Texas and Florida (and other states) are smiling and say, "Keep on coming!"
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Yeah, I doubt that. They still consider them to be the dirty "Californians"

A conservative Californian might be considered liberal in Texas. Might even vote for O'Rourke.

There are a lot of places putting in rules that you have to live somewhat close to their assigned office. They'll be screaming once they lose their remote jobs and make less than half of what they did make.
 
I'm all for Californians (especially) moving to Florida. That's the best way to turn it blue and oust DeDumbshit. Californians (with Oregon as a prime example) move elsewhere because they are tired of how fucked up their state has become (all the while denying they had any part in its decay). They like what they see elsewhere, like a shiny new toy. But once they make the move, they start to bitch about what it isn't, rather than what it is. And then subtly (or not so subtly) they start agitating to make their new place of residence just like the place they left. And it all goes downhill from there. So if Californians want to move to Florida (and Texas), I'm available to help them do so. Whatever it takes to turn Florida (and Texas) around and bring it (them) back to Democracy......
 
calvin natt said:
I’m no economist but I would think when large amounts of Californians move to a state, that over time, the cost of housing will go up. Just a hunch
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It's true. Just look at Oregon. I remember when then Governor Tom McCall started a campaign to keep people from California moving to Oregon. They were driving up the housing costs exponenctially.
 
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