OT Why Never Trumpers Should Bet on DeSantis Now

[ABM]

I'm all for Californians (especially) moving to Florida. That's the best way to turn it blue and oust DeDumbshit. Californians (with Oregon as a prime example) move elsewhere because they are tired of how fucked up their state has become (all the while denying they had any part in its decay). They like what they see elsewhere, like a shiny new toy. But once they make the move, they start to bitch about what it isn't, rather than what it is. And then subtly (or not so subtly) they start agitating to make their new place of residence just like the place they left. And it all goes downhill from there. So if Californians want to move to Florida (and Texas), I'm available to help them do so. Whatever it takes to turn Florida (and Texas) around and bring it (them) back to Democracy......

And there are Californians, as well, switching sides.......because of what they came from.

 

[julius]

It's true. Just look at Oregon. I remember when then Governor Tom McCall started a campaign to keep people from California moving to Oregon. They were driving up the housing costs exponenctially.

You do realize that campaign backfired massively, right?

 

[ABM]

I'm all for Californians (especially) moving to Florida. That's the best way to turn it blue and oust DeDumbshit. Californians (with Oregon as a prime example) move elsewhere because they are tired of how fucked up their state has become (all the while denying they had any part in its decay). They like what they see elsewhere, like a shiny new toy. But once they make the move, they start to bitch about what it isn't, rather than what it is. And then subtly (or not so subtly) they start agitating to make their new place of residence just like the place they left. And it all goes downhill from there. So if Californians want to move to Florida (and Texas), I'm available to help them do so. Whatever it takes to turn Florida (and Texas) around and bring it (them) back to Democracy......

Ya just never know, though.....

https://www.city-journal.org/california-migration-politics

.......What set the Berkeley poll apart is that it also asked residents their party affiliation and how they characterized themselves politically—revealing a sharp divide. Conservatives and moderates are the most unhappy with the state and most anxious to leave. Liberals, by contrast, are mostly staying put, and some think life in California is just great. Only 38 percent of Democrats said that they were considering leaving, compared with 55 percent of independents and 71 percent of Republicans.......

 

[ABM]

You do realize that campaign backfired massively, right?

Sure, and.....?

Personally, I loved the "People in Oregon don't tan....they rust" billboards.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Ya just never know, though.....

https://www.city-journal.org/california-migration-politics

.......What set the Berkeley poll apart is that it also asked residents their party affiliation and how they characterized themselves politically—revealing a sharp divide. Conservatives and moderates are the most unhappy with the state and most anxious to leave. Liberals, by contrast, are mostly staying put, and some think life in California is just great. Only 38 percent of Democrats said that they were considering leaving, compared with 55 percent of independents and 71 percent of Republicans.......

A California Republican does not necessarily equal a Texas or Florida Republican.

 

[ABM]

A California Republican does not necessarily equal a Texas or Florida Republican.

K.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

And there are Californians, as well, switching sides.......because of what they came from.

Time will tell.....and you and I are both of an age where we might not see the final results.....but I'd bet that the influx is more likely to swing the state to the left than to the right over time. And it might not even take a very long time....

 

[julius]

Sure, and.....?

Personally, I loved the "People in Oregon don't tan....they rust" billboards.

You seemed to love a policy that didn't work, hurt Oregon economically, and made us look backwater.



Oh wait, that's what you thrive in.

 

[ABM]

You seemed to love a policy that didn't work, hurt Oregon economically, and made us look backwater.



Oh wait, that's what you thrive in.

Don't read too much into this. Oh, wait! You can't help it.

The issue at hand was that, back in the 70's (I think), Californians were moving in droves to Oregon skyrocketing the property values. McCall started that silly campaign, but, as you mentioned, it was a failure. I mean, aren't folks from California still migrating to Oregon, continuing to drive up real estate prices?

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

A California Republican does not necessarily equal a Texas or Florida Republican.

And whether they admit it or not, I assume taxes are a large part of the reason for leaving California. Easily understandable until they find that a state with low taxes is not sustainable if they expect any consistent level of halfway decent services. Of course, who needs services when you can own the libs by defunding those services........or declaring them illegal.

 

[julius]

Don't read too much into this. Oh, wait! You can't help it.

The issue at hand was that, back in the 70's (I think), Californians were moving in droves to Oregon skyrocketing the property values. McCall started that silly campaign, but, as you mentioned, it was a failure. I mean, aren't folks from California still migrating to Oregon, continuing to drive up real estate prices?

If you have a simpletons mind, that's what you believe.

 

[ehizzy3]

You seemed to love a policy that didn't work, hurt Oregon economically, and made us look backwater.



Oh wait, that's what you thrive in.

and grass is green lol

 

[SlyPokerDog]

One of you should break the bad news to California that ABM is never moving there.

 

[julius]

One of you should break the bad news to California that ABM is never moving there.

not it!

 

[ABM]

If you have a simpletons mind, that's what you believe.

Meanwhile, you don't offer anything cogent to counter that. Mere stabs.

 

[Phatguysrule]

https://www.sbsun.com/2022/03/23/what-is-causing-californians-to-leave-california/


California is quickly becoming like the state of New York, which has experienced domestic out-migration and slow population growth for many years. By contrast, Texas has replaced California as the nation’s fastest-growing (in numerical increase) and most popular destination state.

Why are so many people choosing to leave California?

Various factors contribute to decisions to move.

The leading factor is cost — it is far more expensive to live in California than in other places, and multitudes have decided they are unable or unwilling to pay the premium to live in this state.

Housing, of course, tops the list of expenses.

According to the Zillow Home Value Index (last updated in February), the median home value in California has increased to $669,000 — compared to $220,000 in Texas. For a lot of people, that single (enormous) difference seals the decision to move.

But other costs also drive decisions. A quick glance at the price of a gallon of gas, a utility bill, or a tax bill in California compared to Texas or other states makes one wonder whether the premium is worth paying.

Many also say they are prompted to leave by quality of life concerns. Although California is a natural paradise, it also is plagued by various forms of social disorder, including, in many places, crime, vandalism, and scandalous levels of homelessness. Others complain about the state’s political drift.

Ultimately, the decision comes down to a decision of whether California, or someplace else, is a better place to build a life, raise a family, or enjoy retirement. Often, people have voted with their feet and left the state.

This supports your position because New York is known for it's low cost of living...

Wait...

 

[ABM]

One of you should break the bad news to California that ABM is never moving there.

I'd consider somewhere close to Yosemite.

 

[julius]

Meanwhile, you don't offer anything cogent to counter that. Mere stabs.

I think we're all waiting for you to provide ANYTHING of actual substance in any conversation you have, cept for "awww shucks, I'm just asking questions".

 

[ABM]

I think we're all waiting for you to provide ANYTHING of actual substance in any conversation you have, cept for "awww shucks, I'm just asking questions".

Right.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I think we're all waiting for you to provide ANYTHING of actual substance in any conversation you have, cept for "awww shucks, I'm just asking questions".

Shared this a different time. But this is 100% ABM posting with his awwww schucks routine. I wouldn't want to be around his computer room. Probably smells like bleach.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It's true. Just look at Oregon. I remember when then Governor Tom McCall started a campaign to keep people from California moving to Oregon. They were driving up the housing costs exponenctially.

And why were they moving here? Because it cost so much less.

And now that cost of living in Oregon has skyrocketed due to that pressure, they are looking to Washington instead, because you can still move closer to cities for a more reasonable price. Mostly in Southern Washington

 

[ABM]

And why were they moving here? Because it cost so much less.

And now that cost of living in Oregon has skyrocketed due to that pressure, they are looking to Washington instead, because you can still move closer to cities for a more reasonable price. Mostly in Southern Washington

Americans are fleeing to places where political views match their own


There's a private Facebook group with nearly 8,000 members called Conservatives Moving to Texas. Three of them are sitting at a dinner table — munching on barbecue weenies and brownies — in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex. None are vaxxed.

And they love it here.

"As soon as I drove into Texas, literally, as soon as I could get into the state and stop at my first truck stop for gas it was, like, 'This is wonderful,' " says Lynn Seeden, a 59-year-old portrait photographer from Orange County, Calif.

"People weren't wearing masks — nobody cared. It's kind of like heaven on earth."

She says when the state of California forced her to close her photography studio over COVID-19 restrictions, she and her husband, a retired newspaper editor, knew it was time to "escape."

America is growing more geographically polarized — red ZIP codes are getting redder and blue ZIP codes are becoming bluer. People appear to be sorting.

"We felt very out of place and very uncomfortable at times," says Tiffany Wooten, a 43-year-old stay-at-home mom whose family recently relocated from conservative Indiana to liberal Austin. "We were looking at blue cities because we wanted to be with our own people."

The trend seems to be quickening as conservatives flee places with strict COVID-19 rules.

Karen Bates, a 52-year-old mortgage executive, moved to the Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area with her family last year from Puerto Rico. She says the island's government was going to force her teenaged daughter, who has Type 1 diabetes, to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. She now attends a Christian school.

"She's not had to wear a mask," Bates says. "She doesn't have to get vaccinated. She's thriving on the tennis team, making straight A's. I love the freedom of [vaccine] choice in Texas."

In the modern era, Texas has fashioned itself into a sort-of breakaway red-meat republic — banning books and restricting abortion, blocking mask mandates, and building its own border fence. It retains this national image in spite of the fact that its five largest counties went for President Biden.

But more and more Trump followers are flocking to red Texas in search of the promised land.

"People are asking, 'Tell me about the most conservative towns. Where should I be moving?' " says Seeden, of the people who post comments on the Conservatives Moving to Texas page.

The national real estate brokerage, Redfin, predicted that in 2022, "people will vote with their feet, moving to places that align with their politics."

according to the Texas Real Estate Research Center at Texas A&M University. Most came from Southern California. Florida was the second biggest contributor of new Texans.

Family therapist and conservative activist Dr. Bridget Melson, 52, is a new Texan.

Six years ago, when Melson and her family decided to leave Riverside County, Calif., for the Lone Star State, they were methodical.

"We want our medical freedoms. We want our constitutional rights. We are definitely pro-life," says Melson, who created the Facebook group. "We looked where the red counties were. We knew Austin was going to be a lost cause, and so we knew we didn't want to be there. And we really wanted to have decent weather and the least amount of bugs, so we figured the Metroplex."

Melson asked some friends to join her for interviews with NPR in her fashionable home in a posh rural subdivision with its own equestrian center. She sits on the Bartonville Town Council and is running for mayor. She maintains that Republicans migrating from blue states are the most militant about stopping creeping liberalism.

"People used to come up to me and say, 'Don't California my Texas.' But we're the damn cavalry! We're here to save you. Because we know what's going to happen. And if we don't run for office, get involved in school boards, and pay attention and get out and vote, then you're gonna California Texas."

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'd consider somewhere close to Yosemite.

You could grow a mustache and become Yosemite DeSAMtis!

 

[riverman]

Americans are fleeing to places where political views match their own


There's a private Facebook group with nearly 8,000 members called Conservatives Moving to Texas. Three of them are sitting at a dinner table — munching on barbecue weenies and brownies — in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex. None are vaxxed.

And they love it here.

"As soon as I drove into Texas, literally, as soon as I could get into the state and stop at my first truck stop for gas it was, like, 'This is wonderful,' " says Lynn Seeden, a 59-year-old portrait photographer from Orange County, Calif.

"People weren't wearing masks — nobody cared. It's kind of like heaven on earth."

She says when the state of California forced her to close her photography studio over COVID-19 restrictions, she and her husband, a retired newspaper editor, knew it was time to "escape."

America is growing more geographically polarized — red ZIP codes are getting redder and blue ZIP codes are becoming bluer. People appear to be sorting.

"We felt very out of place and very uncomfortable at times," says Tiffany Wooten, a 43-year-old stay-at-home mom whose family recently relocated from conservative Indiana to liberal Austin. "We were looking at blue cities because we wanted to be with our own people."

The trend seems to be quickening as conservatives flee places with strict COVID-19 rules.

Karen Bates, a 52-year-old mortgage executive, moved to the Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area with her family last year from Puerto Rico. She says the island's government was going to force her teenaged daughter, who has Type 1 diabetes, to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. She now attends a Christian school.

"She's not had to wear a mask," Bates says. "She doesn't have to get vaccinated. She's thriving on the tennis team, making straight A's. I love the freedom of [vaccine] choice in Texas."

In the modern era, Texas has fashioned itself into a sort-of breakaway red-meat republic — banning books and restricting abortion, blocking mask mandates, and building its own border fence. It retains this national image in spite of the fact that its five largest counties went for President Biden.

But more and more Trump followers are flocking to red Texas in search of the promised land.

"People are asking, 'Tell me about the most conservative towns. Where should I be moving?' " says Seeden, of the people who post comments on the Conservatives Moving to Texas page.

The national real estate brokerage, Redfin, predicted that in 2022, "people will vote with their feet, moving to places that align with their politics."

according to the Texas Real Estate Research Center at Texas A&M University. Most came from Southern California. Florida was the second biggest contributor of new Texans.

Family therapist and conservative activist Dr. Bridget Melson, 52, is a new Texan.

Six years ago, when Melson and her family decided to leave Riverside County, Calif., for the Lone Star State, they were methodical.

"We want our medical freedoms. We want our constitutional rights. We are definitely pro-life," says Melson, who created the Facebook group. "We looked where the red counties were. We knew Austin was going to be a lost cause, and so we knew we didn't want to be there. And we really wanted to have decent weather and the least amount of bugs, so we figured the Metroplex."

Melson asked some friends to join her for interviews with NPR in her fashionable home in a posh rural subdivision with its own equestrian center. She sits on the Bartonville Town Council and is running for mayor. She maintains that Republicans migrating from blue states are the most militant about stopping creeping liberalism.

"People used to come up to me and say, 'Don't California my Texas.' But we're the damn cavalry! We're here to save you. Because we know what's going to happen. And if we don't run for office, get involved in school boards, and pay attention and get out and vote, then you're gonna California Texas."

What's sad is you act like this is a "new" thing....people have always left for places that suit their politics or belief systems...I'd like for every MAGAtard in the country to move to Florida, Texas and Tennessee until all three states get crammed full of deplorables. Wait until the California homeless make the migration. I hope all three states have to shell out a ton of welfare assistance for all the teenaged mothers that'll be without Planned Parenthood assistance as well. Karma is a bitch

 

[ABM]

What's sad is you act like this is a "new" thing....Karma is a bitch....

I do? Hmmmm......

One word: COVID

 

[riverman]

I do? Hmmmm......

One word: COVID

Sorry you suffer from long covid....I never got the stuff myself. I wear a mask shopping indoors still. People have been moving to Florida all of your life for tax breaks and sunshine, not covid...New Yorkers come there from a blue state not for the politics. Blue haired wrinkled sunbathers...should be on the travel brochure.

 

[ABM]

Sorry you suffer from long covid....I never got the stuff myself. I wear a mask shopping indoors still. People have been moving to Florida all of your life for tax breaks and sunshine, not covid...New Yorkers come there from a blue state not for the politics. Blue haired wrinkled sunbathers...should be on the travel brochure.

Oh, sure...what you say may be true. COVID brought all new reasons for leaving those states, though. As has been mentioned, many more folks want out of California and NY.......much to do with the politcal shackles they've been encumbered with.

Back to my OP on the subject, Gavin Newsom is sending Charlie Crist $100k Floridians are, like, whatever. LOL

 

[Phatguysrule]

Americans are fleeing to places where political views match their own


There's a private Facebook group with nearly 8,000 members called Conservatives Moving to Texas. Three of them are sitting at a dinner table — munching on barbecue weenies and brownies — in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex. None are vaxxed.

And they love it here.

"As soon as I drove into Texas, literally, as soon as I could get into the state and stop at my first truck stop for gas it was, like, 'This is wonderful,' " says Lynn Seeden, a 59-year-old portrait photographer from Orange County, Calif.

"People weren't wearing masks — nobody cared. It's kind of like heaven on earth."

She says when the state of California forced her to close her photography studio over COVID-19 restrictions, she and her husband, a retired newspaper editor, knew it was time to "escape."

America is growing more geographically polarized — red ZIP codes are getting redder and blue ZIP codes are becoming bluer. People appear to be sorting.

"We felt very out of place and very uncomfortable at times," says Tiffany Wooten, a 43-year-old stay-at-home mom whose family recently relocated from conservative Indiana to liberal Austin. "We were looking at blue cities because we wanted to be with our own people."

The trend seems to be quickening as conservatives flee places with strict COVID-19 rules.

Karen Bates, a 52-year-old mortgage executive, moved to the Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area with her family last year from Puerto Rico. She says the island's government was going to force her teenaged daughter, who has Type 1 diabetes, to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. She now attends a Christian school.

"She's not had to wear a mask," Bates says. "She doesn't have to get vaccinated. She's thriving on the tennis team, making straight A's. I love the freedom of [vaccine] choice in Texas."

In the modern era, Texas has fashioned itself into a sort-of breakaway red-meat republic — banning books and restricting abortion, blocking mask mandates, and building its own border fence. It retains this national image in spite of the fact that its five largest counties went for President Biden.

But more and more Trump followers are flocking to red Texas in search of the promised land.

"People are asking, 'Tell me about the most conservative towns. Where should I be moving?' " says Seeden, of the people who post comments on the Conservatives Moving to Texas page.

The national real estate brokerage, Redfin, predicted that in 2022, "people will vote with their feet, moving to places that align with their politics."

according to the Texas Real Estate Research Center at Texas A&M University. Most came from Southern California. Florida was the second biggest contributor of new Texans.

Family therapist and conservative activist Dr. Bridget Melson, 52, is a new Texan.

Six years ago, when Melson and her family decided to leave Riverside County, Calif., for the Lone Star State, they were methodical.

"We want our medical freedoms. We want our constitutional rights. We are definitely pro-life," says Melson, who created the Facebook group. "We looked where the red counties were. We knew Austin was going to be a lost cause, and so we knew we didn't want to be there. And we really wanted to have decent weather and the least amount of bugs, so we figured the Metroplex."

Melson asked some friends to join her for interviews with NPR in her fashionable home in a posh rural subdivision with its own equestrian center. She sits on the Bartonville Town Council and is running for mayor. She maintains that Republicans migrating from blue states are the most militant about stopping creeping liberalism.

"People used to come up to me and say, 'Don't California my Texas.' But we're the damn cavalry! We're here to save you. Because we know what's going to happen. And if we don't run for office, get involved in school boards, and pay attention and get out and vote, then you're gonna California Texas."

People aren't fleeing from California to Washington based on political views. Seriously.

 

[riverman]

Oh, sure...what you say may be true. COVID brought all new reasons for leaving those states, though. As has been mentioned, many more folks want out of California and NY.......much to do with the politcal shackles they've been encumbered with.

Back to my OP on the subject, Gavin Newsom is sending Charlie Crist $100k Floridians are, like, whatever. LOL

political shackles? Shackles are used to transport slaves and prisoners...political allegiances are not forced on anyone so that makes zero sense. Retirement destinations are just what they are...the politicizing of it is not why people move...moving is a major expense. Retirement is the number one reason . Hawaii has the same thing, Most of those people however do not end up staying there long term...prunetang did not move to Florida for the politics. Maybe you did..choices. Natural disasters have caused many people to move, especially after their house burns up in a forest fire. California has been burning up....after Katrina, many people from New Orleans moved to California as well...People move to California in droves from all over the nation looking for that Hollywood dream.

 

[ABM]

political shackles? Shackles are used to transport slaves and prisoners....

Shackles. Again, many people didn't want to be shackled to the political demands and restrictions brought on by COVID. So, they moved.....and still are.