OT Why Never Trumpers Should Bet on DeSantis Now

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Hey, how about we put them to work building transitional housing and assisting immigrant transitions in the states with huge tracts of cheap land on the border?

You know, like Texas.

Then people seeking asylum could go to those towns, have jobs meeting the needs of other immigrants, while they are all transitioning legally.

And we could start addressing some of our worker shortage...

And we wouldn't have to run concentration camps like Nazis or treat needy people like animals in cruel pranks...

Just a thought... Probably too progressive for Democrats to get on board with though...

Eventually, many of their jobs will be obsolete with automation, and they are uneducated and poor. So basically we'll end up having an uneducated, poor and unemployed underclass of workers. What could go wrong?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Which places and jobs are these in the USA? Most major cities have a decent population of immigrants, and a worker shortage is being partially blamed for inflation. I have some landscapers in my backyard right now, Im pretty sure a few of them are illegal. I dont see any problem allowing people who want to bust some ass into the country. Labor is a skill also and I sure dont have the same skill as these guys. If we actually dealt with the issue it wouldnt be hard to set up a system. Lots of other countries allow labor on some level. I lived in NZ 25ish years ago, they took in tons of Indians, Polynesians and Asians for farm work. They all got government tax IDs and paid taxes even, I believe their visa was up to a one year stay with fairly easy options for renewal.

Talking about other countries. They seem to survive.

I mean hell, I sometimes get workers at Home Depot to lift heavy shit. Its useful, and I can pay them shit to do stuff I don't really want to do like lifting heavy boxes, etc. But if immigrants weren't around, its not like toilets are going to not get cleaned or lawns won't get mowed.

 

[donkiez]

Talking about other countries. They seem to survive.

I mean hell, I sometimes get workers at Home Depot to lift heavy shit. Its useful, and I can pay them shit to do stuff I don't really want to do like lifting heavy boxes, etc. But if immigrants weren't around, its not like toilets are going to not get cleaned.

Lots of other countries do the same, the workers just come from different places. Setting up the EU just opened the boarders for poor eastern Europeans to move about freely for labor jobs. It's harder for US citizens to get work visas in other countries because we make it so restrictive for them, but plenty of other countries play much nicer together on work and student visas.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Eventually, many of their jobs will be obsolete with automation, and they are uneducated and poor. So basically we'll end up having an uneducated, poor and unemployed underclass of workers. What could go wrong?

2nd generation immigrants are the most productive people in society, and 3rd generation are the same as the rest of the population.

And we need the labor from the first generation.

Immigrants also commit less crime than natural born Americans.

There is no down side.

 

[riverman]

Talking about other countries. They seem to survive.

I mean hell, I sometimes get workers at Home Depot to lift heavy shit. Its useful, and I can pay them shit to do stuff I don't really want to do like lifting heavy boxes, etc. But if immigrants weren't around, its not like toilets are going to not get cleaned or lawns won't get mowed.

Every asian country has Filipino, Maylasian, Indonesian and Africans doing menial labor and agricultural work or construction or senior care...etc....I see them everywhere I've traveled...Europe has tons of people from Northern Africa working in all the countries and refugees ferom Syra, etc......you're throwin shit at the wall bro.....this is not exclusive to America...difference is we don't pass out work permits and enforce the legal immigration of workers at the border.....you're not doing the work these folks do and we don't need them in high tech...we need them in restaurants, dairies and farms, etc......chasing them out of the country under Trump fucked up the economy like it or not....we need work visa programs that discourage illegal immigration...pretty simple....also these folks join the military which few native born young people seem to want to do these days as well...there's work here that nobody wants to do but immigrants will do.....simple solution

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Lots of other countries do the same, the workers just come from different places. Setting up the EU just opened the boarders for poor eastern Europeans to move about freely for labor jobs. It's harder for US citizens to get work visas in other countries because we make it so restrictive for them, but plenty of other countries play much nicer together on work and student visas.

Legal immigration is great. Illegal immigration, especially in Europe from North Africa leads to a lot of crime.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Every asian country has Filipino, Maylasian, Indonesian and Africans doing menial labor and agricultural work or construction or senior care...etc....I see them everywhere I've traveled...Europe has tons of people from Northern Africa working in all the countries and refugees ferom Syra, etc......you're throwin shit at the wall bro.....this is not exclusive to America...difference is we don't pass out work permits and enforce the legal immigration of workers at the border.....you're not doing the work these folks do and we don't need them in high tech...we need them in restaurants, dairies and farms, etc......chasing them out of the country under Trump fucked up the economy like it or not....we need work visa programs that discourage illegal immigration...pretty simple....also these folks join the military which few native born young people seem to want to do these days as well...there's work here that nobody wants to do but immigrants will do.....simple solution

These North Africans are an absolute detriment. Sure, some of them are in factories sewing gucci loafers, but they are all over Europe as scammers, thieves and rapists.

The ones from Asia have a process to go to the country they end up in.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

2nd generation immigrants are the most productive people in society, and 3rd generation are the same as the rest of the population.

And we need the labor from the first generation.

Immigrants also commit less crime than natural born Americans.

There is no down side.

Two immigrants.

One from the India Institute of Technology with a PhD in computer science that comes to the US through the proper legal channels. Versus someone from El Salvador that can pick apples and swam over a river to get here.

Which is going to lead to a better overall net gain for society?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Two immigrants.

One from the India Institute of Technology with a PhD in computer science that comes to the US through the proper legal channels. Versus someone from El Salvador that can pick apples and swam over a river to get here.

Which is going to lead to a better overall net gain for society?

It doesn't matter. They'll both be a net gain right now.

 

[crandc]

I wonder if the $18 million in state money DeSantis spent flying immigrants and empty planes around the country could come in handy now?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I wonder how DeSantis is going to handle all the "voter fraud" in November?

There are going to be hundreds of thousands of people who will no longer be living at the address they gave when they registered to vote. I'm pretty sure that is a felony now in Florida.

 

[Lanny]

It's puzzling that places without huge illegal immigrant populations are able to fill these jobs. If we are giving out visas for working, they should be H1Bs from countries with a lot of smart tech type people like India and Asia, not places where we get an influx of cheap, uneducated manual labor from Latinx countries.

I have a friend who manages a large crew of migrant farm workers in Washington state. He has trouble finding enough workers to work the crops. Americans do not want to do the work.

 

[Lanny]

I wonder if the $18 million in state money DeSantis spent flying immigrants and empty planes around the country could come in handy now?

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I have a friend who manages a large crew of migrant farm workers in Washington state. He has trouble finding enough workers to work the crops. Americans do not want to do the work.

Migrant workers are great. They are here temporarily, earn more and then send money back home, then go back when the job is done. only here to work, but not live.

 

[Lanny]

These North Africans are an absolute detriment. Sure, some of them are in factories sewing gucci loafers, but they are all over Europe as scammers, thieves and rapists.

The ones from Asia have a process to go to the country they end up in.

This rapist shit has been proven to be initiated by low down lying scum.

 

[Lanny]

Legal immigration is great. Illegal immigration, especially in Europe from North Africa leads to a lot of crime.

I'd like to see those statistics.

 

[Lanny]

Every asian country has Filipino, Maylasian, Indonesian and Africans doing menial labor and agricultural work or construction or senior care...etc....I see them everywhere I've traveled...Europe has tons of people from Northern Africa working in all the countries and refugees ferom Syra, etc......you're throwin shit at the wall bro.....this is not exclusive to America...difference is we don't pass out work permits and enforce the legal immigration of workers at the border.....you're not doing the work these folks do and we don't need them in high tech...we need them in restaurants, dairies and farms, etc......chasing them out of the country under Trump fucked up the economy like it or not....we need work visa programs that discourage illegal immigration...pretty simple....also these folks join the military which few native born young people seem to want to do these days as well...there's work here that nobody wants to do but immigrants will do.....simple solution

I agree except we do need them in high tech. It's known as the brain drain as we drain other countries for their intellectual talent.

 

[Chris Craig]

I wonder how DeSantis is going to handle all the "voter fraud" in November?

There are going to be hundreds of thousands of people who will no longer be living at the address they gave when they registered to vote. I'm pretty sure that is a felony now in Florida.

Knowing him, he will use it to arrest Dem voters.

 

[donkiez]

These North Africans are an absolute detriment. Sure, some of them are in factories sewing gucci loafers, but they are all over Europe as scammers, thieves and rapists.

The ones from Asia have a process to go to the country they end up in.

I agree they are the worse when you are there. Gypsy's, Syrians and general Muslims have their issues also. Europe does have their immigration issues but from what I see a lot of it is self inflicted. They allow them in often as refugees, give tons of assistance, but kind of outcast them to slums. Then you start having problems with a disenfranchised second generation that breeds crime and terrorists. Europes location is so much closer to major population migration areas and risks being overrun in some respect. Seems like a cautionary tale for us.

 

[riverman]

I agree except we do need them in high tech. It's known as the brain drain as we drain other countries for their intellectual talent.

Head hunters for executives have that covered....I have a friend who places people in those jobs all over the world...that's a different market from the immigrants at the border...those folks get a work permit and incentives to move here with perks....that will never change. The medical field is a prime example of green card professionals. No different from the world of sports...talent will get the job it wants.

 

[Lanny]

Head hunters for executives have that covered....I have a friend who places people in those jobs all over the world...that's a different market from the immigrants at the border...those folks get a work permit and incentives to move here with perks....that will never change. The medical field is a prime example of green card professionals. No different from the world of sports...talent will get the job it wants.

A lot of engineers come from other countries. I know several.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

A lot of engineers come from other countries. I know several.

Countries or engineers?

 

[Lanny]

Countries or engineers?

Take your pick. The next time you're on a foreign vacation just mention my name and you'll get the Presidential suite at your hotel, Russian caviar, Dom Perignon, Cuban cigars with your dinner, free lap dances, limo service for the price of a cheap taxi ride and a whole host of other goodies. You can thank me when you get back (if you can find me).

 

[Chris Craig]

Take your pick. The next time you're on a foreign vacation just mention my name and you'll get the Presidential suite at your hotel, Russian caviar, Dom Perignon, Cuban cigars with your dinner, free lap dances, limo service for the price of a cheap taxi ride and a whole host of other goodies. You can thank me when you get back (if you can find me).

Lanny sent me...

 

[Lanny]

Lanny sent me...

You're headed for hell all on your own. You didn't need my help.

 

[Chris Craig]

You're headed for hell all on your own. You didn't need my help.

In a hand basket...if I don't change my ways.

Five minutes down there and the Devil will be begging God to take me.

 

[ABM]

You're headed for hell all on your own. You didn't need my help.

Never say I didn't warn him.

 

[Chris Craig]

Lol just like most born agains. Do worse things in your life than someone else then tell them you warned them if they don't change their ways they are going to hell.

Not worried about it. I'm pretty sure I'm square with my maker. Not afraid to meet him down the road.

 

[crandc]

I don't like the entire concept. You can do any damn thing but profess faith in Jesus and you are forgiven. While non Christians no matter how many positive things they do are burning in hell.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Platy goes about it so much better. Doesn't push it in front of you but is willing to talk to you about it, pray for you, and not condemn you for not sharing his beliefs.

This is the way.