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I can't help but feel like something about the DeSantis hype is artifical. To get the voting base out of the woods and into more conventional politics, basically a reboot to post Reagan conservative values and all that. Not sure how it'll work out in the end. So many people who vote R are in it for Trump alone. Bridging that gap with Ron will take a lot on his part, otherwise he's going to be a Romney tier candidate.
 
I'm not too worried about DeSantis. He's basically Al Gore, suits the base just fine but comes off as a smug dick to those that aren't in full agreement on the issues. Anti-charismatic.

barfo
 
Trump is done politically. That may be a relief to many, but I've not talked to any conservative nor heard any pundit who doesn't want to move on from trump.
 
barfo said:
I'm not too worried about DeSantis. He's basically Al Gore, suits the base just fine but comes off as a smug dick to those that aren't in full agreement on the issues. Anti-charismatic.

barfo
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He flipped some dem strongholds in Florida.
 
beast crnjo said:
He flipped some dem strongholds in Florida.
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I don't think people understand what the pandemic did to demographics in certain lax on mandate states. Besides, he was running against an AI generated candidate.
barfo said:
I'm not too worried about DeSantis. He's basically Al Gore, suits the base just fine but comes off as a smug dick to those that aren't in full agreement on the issues. Anti-charismatic.

barfo
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I agree, Trump had the ear of way more people with his foolishness. Nobody wants sensible DeSantis talking about the issues wearing 7 layers of body armor. I vaguely remember an article that said he didn't even enjoy campaigning. They're going to market this guy as a firebrand conservative, but he's a total introvert.
 
beast crnjo said:
Trump is done politically. That may be a relief to many, but I've not talked to any conservative nor heard any pundit who doesn't want to move on from trump.
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The RNC and Republicans in office may want him out, but he controls the base.
 
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-t...ght-wing-media-turns-to-ron-desantis-12743985

Donald Trump may soon be yesterday's news as America's right-wing media turns to Ron DeSantis
Even Fox News is no longer a safe bastion of Trumpism, as comment and opinion becomes openly critical following an underwhelming midterms performance for the Republican Party. For America's right, the future may now lie with Ron DeSantis.

"Trumpty Dumpty" - probably as much a political epitaph as a headline.

When the New York Post put that on their front page, it wasn't just selling papers, it was crafting the end of a career.........

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ABM said:
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-t...ght-wing-media-turns-to-ron-desantis-12743985

Donald Trump may soon be yesterday's news as America's right-wing media turns to Ron DeSantis
Even Fox News is no longer a safe bastion of Trumpism, as comment and opinion becomes openly critical following an underwhelming midterms performance for the Republican Party. For America's right, the future may now lie with Ron DeSantis.

"Trumpty Dumpty" - probably as much a political epitaph as a headline.

When the New York Post put that on their front page, it wasn't just selling papers, it was crafting the end of a career.........

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Trump's going to be pissed.
 
ABM said:
Interesting read.

As many of you already know, I'm one of those who twice voted for Trump. However, I would not vote for him again. I wonder how many more like me are out there? Moreover, who to vote for in 2024? It's still early, but it's not that early. DeSantis is catching the eye of even the Left.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/ron-desantis-never-trump/620568/

......Trump remains more popular among the shrinking Republican base than anyone else. So in publications including National Review, The Dispatch, and TheBulwark, anti-Trump conservatives are now debating what to do. They all view the 45th president as an unacceptable leader, deplore the Trumpist turn in the GOP, and lament the dearth of promising strategies for reversing it. Alongside the options they’re considering, I’d add one more: uniting behind Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, the GOP rising star who can boast both conventional political achievements and credibility on the Trumpist right......
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Deserves re-posting.
 
I've assumed for a while that South Dakota governor Kristi Noem will be making a presidential run. She got a lot of notoriety after insisting on not closing down anything for COVID, and I know a lot of conservatives love her. I guess she's already said that she won't run against Trump, but if he reads the tea leaves and chooses not to run, I expect her to be one of the main GOP candidates.

I also think Brian Kemp fancies himself a viable candidate.

Should speculation on and analysis of potential GOP candidates perhaps be its own thread?
 
beast crnjo said:
Trump is done politically. That may be a relief to many, but I've not talked to any conservative nor heard any pundit who doesn't want to move on from trump.
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I wish I was as optimistic as you are ... the rank and file Republicans want him gone but he still has that cult of personality thing and a lot of voters will ride with him to the bitter end, why I have no idea. Personally I think Trump running is the best thing for the Democrats, he's going to split up the GOP and a lot of people in the middle like myself will refuse to vote for him.
 
Seems that he's claiming that he sent the FBI in to prevent election fraud, not to engage in it.

I mean, I don't believe him--I think he's grasping at straws to make DeSantis look bad--but it doesn't look like he's admitting malfeasance.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Seems that he's claiming that he sent the FBI in to prevent election fraud, not to engage in it.

I mean, I don't believe him--I think he's grasping at straws to make DeSantis look bad--but it doesn't look like he's admitting malfeasance.
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Yes, that's what he's claiming - but if he actually did send in the feds, it would be for the purposes of malfeasance, because that's who he is. So if it isn't completely made up, he's pointing investigators to where to look for his crimes.

barfo
 
"DeSantis abandoned his job as Florida governor to travel all over country to campaign for Laxalt (NV), Mastriano (PA), Zeldin (NY) and Michels (WI). All four lost"
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-desantis-law-barring-195215214.html

A federal judge in Florida on Thursday blocked a law pushed by Gov. Ron DeSantis that restricts certain race-based conversations and analysis in colleges.

Tallahassee U.S. District Judge Mark Walker issued a temporary injunction against the so-called “Stop Woke” act in a ruling that called the legislation “positively dystopian.”

The law prohibits teaching or business practices that contend members of one ethnic group are inherently racist and should feel guilt for past actions committed by others. It also bars the notion that a person’s status as privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by their race or gender, or that discrimination is acceptable to achieve diversity.

"Our professors are critical to a healthy democracy, and the State of Florida’s decision to choose which viewpoints are worthy of illumination and which must remain in the shadows has implications for us all," Walker wrote. "If our ‘priests of democracy’ are not allowed to shed light on challenging ideas, then democracy will die in darkness.

The ruling is at least a temporary setback to the powerful Republican governor's agenda to combat what he describes as the “woke ideology” of liberals and critical race theory, a way of thinking about America’s history through the lens of racism. DeSantis won a landslide reelection to a second term this month after a campaign that focused heavily on cultural issues.

The governor has often said rulings that halt his legislative priorities are likely to be reversed by appeals courts in Florida that are generally more conservative. A spokesman for DeSantis said they would appeal the ruling.

“The Stop W.O.K.E. Act protects the open exchange of ideas by prohibiting teachers or employers who hold agency over others from forcing discriminatory concepts on students as part of classroom instruction or on employees as a condition of maintaining employment,” said Bryan Griffin, DeSantis' press secretary.

In his lengthy ruling, Walker quoted from George Orwell's dystopian novel “1984,” writing “'It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen,' and the powers in charge of Florida’s public university system have declared the State has unfettered authority to muzzle its professors in the name of ‘freedom.'"

Judge Walker in August issued a similar ruling on the law that blocked it from taking effect in businesses. The law is also subject to another legal challenge from a group of K-12 teachers and a student.

The governor began pushing for the law late last year and the Republican-controlled Legislature passed it during the 2022 legislative session.

“What you see now with the rise of this woke ideology is an attempt to really delegitimize our history and to delegitimize our institutions and I view the wokeness as a form of cultural Marxism,” DeSantis said when first floating the legislation. “They really want to tear at the fabric of our society.”

Critical race theory was developed during the 1970s and 1980s in response to what scholars viewed as a lack of racial progress following the civil rights legislation of the 1960s. It centers on the idea that racism is systemic in the nation’s institutions and that they function to maintain the dominance of white people in society.

Conservatives have rejected critical race theory, arguing the philosophy racially divides American society and aims to rewrite history to make white people believe they are inherently racist.
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