Wiggins for Love or Aldridge?

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If Love were willing to sign a contract extension as a pre-condition to the trade, I'd move Wiggins for Love. Love is only 25 himself and monstrously productive offensively. His defense would be lacking, certainly, but he would mesh perfectly with James and Irving on offense. .

Those offensive numbers will not be so monstrous along side Kyrie and LeBron. He will still be a good rebounder and passer though. But still I think they can find someone else to rebound and play better D for less money.
 
They should just make it a 3-way deal where Love goes to GS and Thompson goes to Cleveland. This way Cleveland gets a third scorer with playoff experience, maybe can get another asset too, and not have to sacrifice depth.
 
Those offensive numbers will not be so monstrous along side Kyrie and LeBron. He will still be a good rebounder and passer though. But still I think they can find someone else to rebound and play better D for less money.

What's funny is that I remember Minstrel being the one who brought that same notion up 4 years ago before the formation of the big three.
 
Portland should trade LMA for Lebron, Wiggins and Thompson. Maybe throw in Wes and Batum.
 
I didnt think it was possible for Cleveland to screw up this draft pick again after Embiid went down, but it looks to me like they are finding a way to do it again. I seriously dont get how Love was considered worth a 5-8 pick before the draft now he is worth the #1 pick plus other assets? Love does not put them over the top this year and if it crumbles LBJ opts out next year. To more specifically address this thread, LA wants to be the greatest Blazer of all time Im happy to give him that chance given his last few years of production, If Minny gets Wiggins for Love they've got to be hysterically happy. Really though I woundnt doubt if this was smoke screen by Minny to get others to improve their offers.
 
Here is an interesting deal.

Love and Pekovic to Cleveland
Wiggins, Waiters, Bennett and Varejo to Minnesota plus picks if needed.

The Cavs would need a couple of shooters but they would have a stacked front court with Pekovic, Haywood, Love and Thompson.

Plus they could swing Thompson for a shooter if needed as well.
 
Here is an interesting deal.

Love and Pekovic to Cleveland
Wiggins, Waiters, Bennett and Varejo to Minnesota plus picks if needed.

The Cavs would need a couple of shooters but they would have a stacked front court with Pekovic, Haywood, Love and Thompson.

Plus they could swing Thompson for a shooter if needed as well.

Why is that interesting?
 
Those offensive numbers will not be so monstrous along side Kyrie and LeBron. He will still be a good rebounder and passer though. But still I think they can find someone else to rebound and play better D for less money.

What's funny is that I remember Minstrel being the one who brought that same notion up 4 years ago before the formation of the big three.

When I refer to "monstrous offensive production," I mean high efficiency despite using a lot of possessions (efficiency is harder to maintain the more shots you take, since you can't just take the easier ones). While his raw numbers would obviously go down with more talented teammates, his efficiency would still make him a fantastic offensive player and he's proven capable of carrying an offense, which would be useful at times James is sitting.
 
I'm not really sure why people think trading Wiggins would be mortgaging the future. Love is only 25. The biggest issue I would have if I were Cleveland is how much I would have to send out to make the deal work.
 
Anderson Varejao might have to go in the deal, too, to make salaries work. Varejao would be a nice role-player to retain, but he's declining so his addition wouldn't sour me on the deal from Cleveland's point of view.
 
Honestly, I don't think Love is worth Wiggins. How does Minnesota have any leverage whatsoever? He has said he wants out. He's going to leave in free agency.
 
Anderson Varejao might have to go in the deal, too, to make salaries work. Varejao would be a nice role-player to retain, but he's declining so his addition wouldn't sour me on the deal from Cleveland's point of view.

I don't think the Cavs are trading Varajao. He is one of LBJ best friends and he has already about how excited he is to play with him again and pretty much every deal the cavs do LBJ will have to sign off on.
 
Honestly, I don't think Love is worth Wiggins. How does Minnesota have any leverage whatsoever? He has said he wants out. He's going to leave in free agency.
Minnesota might not have much leverage, but Cleveland doesn't have any real leverage either in it. outside of dumping the roster, they don't have cap space to just sign love next season. And even if they did it'd be wasting one year of LeBron
 
Love is definitely worth Wiggins and whatever else Cleveland has to give up for him. Love is a top 10 caliber player and may not play much D but could be motivated to learn to play it better on a winning team. Wiggins could be great and turn out to be better then Love in the long run but love is still 25 and if you resign him you'v got love locked up long term and that would be my favorites to win the championship every year.
Also wiggins hasnt even played an NBA game yet, he could be amazing and I do think he is going to be great, but at the moment he is another Gerald Green. I'd trade for a star and All-star/all NBA player for the next 5 years over an unknown.
 
There were a lot of other options for LeBron if winning immediately was his main objective. Setting up a a "dynasty" in Cleveland seems like a smarter goal. I think Wiggins gives Cleveland more versatility, especially since LeBron can log minutes at PF as well as SF. I think the smart long term move would be to keep Wiggins.
Yes! That's the bid problem with love, he can't play defense inside so Cleveland will need a center on the floor. Bosh could play the 5 which gave Miami shooters everywhere. LeBron is awesome at PF so pairing him with love is redundant. Wiggins can guard multiple positions so defensively the Cavs would be far superior this year without love. Two years from now they would hate this trade.
 
Love is definitely worth Wiggins and whatever else Cleveland has to give up for him. Love is a top 10 caliber player and may not play much D but could be motivated to learn to play it better on a winning team. Wiggins could be great and turn out to be better then Love in the long run but love is still 25 and if you resign him you'v got love locked up long term and that would be my favorites to win the championship every year.
Also wiggins hasnt even played an NBA game yet, he could be amazing and I do think he is going to be great, but at the moment he is another Gerald Green. I'd trade for a star and All-star/all NBA player for the next 5 years over an unknown.

Golden State is supposedly offering Klay Thompson (who is essentially Wes Matthews with more hype) and David Lee. That's the kind of deal that Minnesota was looking at before this whole Wiggins thing happened. If Wiggins is actually available, I would take him and run if I was Minnesota.
 
Honestly, I don't think Love is worth Wiggins. How does Minnesota have any leverage whatsoever? He has said he wants out. He's going to leave in free agency.

Leverage also depends on how much the other team wants/needs the player in trade (which RR7 addressed) and also how many teams are bidding. We don't really know the second thing. Just knowing that an entity has to sell/lose an asset eventually only lowers the initial bid. If no one else is bidding, it's tough luck and that low initial bid won't rise. But if many others are bidding, it'll rise normally as you're no longer competing with Minnesota, you're competing with all the other Love suitors.
 
Golden State is supposedly offering Klay Thompson (who is essentially Wes Matthews with more hype) and David Lee. That's the kind of deal that Minnesota was looking at before this whole Wiggins thing happened. If Wiggins is actually available, I would take him and run if I was Minnesota.

I'v read a lot of the rumor mill surrounding that and Minny liked the GSW deal because they don't want to suck, everyone knows getting Lee/Klay wont get them into the playoffs, but supposedly they think it will, and they are 27th in attendance and that owner wants to sell tickets. They dont' want to rebuild but if your offering up Wiggins, someone who will get people to buy tickets, then they of course will jump on it.
 
Leverage also depends on how much the other team wants/needs the player in trade (which RR7 addressed) and also how many teams are bidding. We don't really know the second thing. Just knowing that an entity has to sell/lose an asset eventually only lowers the initial bid. If no one else is bidding, it's tough luck and that low initial bid won't rise. But if many others are bidding, it'll rise normally as you're no longer competing with Minnesota, you're competing with all the other Love suitors.

The problem is, Minny is constricted by who Love will actually re-sign with. If he comes out and says, "you can trade for me, but I won't sign with you," can a team take that chance? I think that's why LeBron has been trying to recruit him.
 
If Wiggins is as good as many feel he is and I'm sure he is. It should come to Kevin Love and 'what' for Andrew Wiggins. Another player or two? Draft picks?

If I was Cleveland. I would take any package that doesn't include LeBron, Andrew, Kyrie and position it with one or all of their first round draft picks for next year and say this is it.
 
The problem is, Minny is constricted by who Love will actually re-sign with. If he comes out and says, "you can trade for me, but I won't sign with you," can a team take that chance? I think that's why LeBron has been trying to recruit him.

Absolutely. There are a lot of variables, like how many teams are bidding, what they'd be willing to give up, Love's own input as to which teams he's amenable to re-signing with (if any). So we really don't know what Minnesota's leverage is. It could be anything from zero to plenty.
 
The problem is, Minny is constricted by who Love will actually re-sign with. If he comes out and says, "you can trade for me, but I won't sign with you," can a team take that chance? I think that's why LeBron has been trying to recruit him.
They're only constricted by what a team will offer them. I don't think a team can talk to him and ask if he'll sign. If a team will give them something, it's not their problem if he leaves
 
They're only constricted by what a team will offer them. I don't think a team can talk to him and ask if he'll sign. If a team will give them something, it's not their problem if he leaves

Teams can talk to him if Minny gives them permission, which I'm sure would be a requirement. I don't think Golden State would be trying to acquire him if they didn't have some kind of assurance that he would re-sign with them.
 
They're only constricted by what a team will offer them. I don't think a team can talk to him and ask if he'll sign. If a team will give them something, it's not their problem if he leaves

Unless rules have changed since 2007, which is possible since there's been a new CBA but I don't see why the rules for this would have changed, teams can extend-and-trade a player, allowing the team they're trading the player to to work out an extension with the player that only takes effect if the player is traded to that team within 48 hours of the extension.

7. Sign-and-Trade / Extend-and-Trade Deals. In some cases, one team will have the right to sign a player to a new contract of a certain size, but another team (which wants to acquire that player) will not have this right. The two teams can then agree to a trade in which the first team signs the player to a new contract that contains a clause saying the contract is only effective if the player is traded to the second team within 48 hours. This is called a "sign-and-trade" deal; in these deals, the first team grants the second team the right to talk to the relevant player. If the player and the second team agree to new contract terms, the first team signs the contract with the player and then trades him to the second team. These trades can take longer to complete: not only must the two teams negotiate the terms of a deal, but one of the teams also must make a deal with the player (involving even more salary calculations). Also, because new contracts can also have legal and tax consequences for both the team and the player, a player's lawyer or tax counsel may be involved, in addition to the player's agent, while payment schedules and other terms are discussed. The Kevin Garnett trade was the NBA's first "extend-and-trade," deal: KG signed a contract extension (that we had negotiated with him) with Minnesota, and then was immediately traded to Boston. (The extension contained a clause providing that the extension only took effect if the trade to Boston was completed.) Because it was the first deal of its kind, the collective bargaining agreement clauses governing this type of deal had never before been relevant to an actual transaction. Application of these rules by the league and the players' association for the first time added even more complexity to the deal.

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Unless rules have changed since 2007, which is possible since there's been a new CBA but I don't see why the rules for this would have changed, teams can extend-and-trade a player, allowing the team they're trading the player to to work out an extension with the player that only takes effect if the player is traded to that team within 48 hours of the extension.



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Sure but I imagine an extension for him is as bad am idea as an extension due Aldridge in that they lose money on it
 
Sure but I imagine an extension for him is as bad am idea as an extension due Aldridge in that they lose money on it
Love isnt looking at a five year deal with the cavs thats going to LBJ. Also your extensions max amount is based off of the contract your extending and Love has max contract while LA didnt have a max.
 
Love isnt looking at a five year deal with the cavs thats going to LBJ. Also your extensions max amount is based off of the contract your extending and Love has max contract while LA didnt have a max.
Any vet on the team can get a 5 year deal. The one you're thinking of pertains to rookie extensions.
Love isnt looking at a five year deal with the cavs thats going to LBJ. Also your extensions max amount is based off of the contract your extending and Love has max contract while LA didnt have a max.
 
Any vet on the team can get a 5 year deal. The one you're thinking of pertains to rookie extensions.
Ah I thought it was one 5 year max rookie deal and one five year max vet deal
 
Rumors according to tweets (posted in summer NBA thread)

-Lebron has reached out to Love for them to play together

-Clev at first said no wiggins but rumor is they re now offering wiggins

-Love not willing to sign extension now (same issue as LA) but open to the idea of playing with Lebron long term

-GS still wants Love and not concerned about him leaving after end of yr but still stay firm on not offering Klay
 
This Lebron for Wiggins isn't just debated here:

Jason Lloyd: Fascinating how polarizing debate is among league execs over whether #Cavs should trade Wiggins for Love. Strong opinions on both sides
 

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