Wild Ass Consolidation Trade Idea...

[oldguy]

I know I'll get flamed for suggesting this, but this might be the consolidation we're needing. I almost want to punch myself for even bringing this up.

Let me say at the outset, I like all of the guys I'm suggesting the Blazers would trade....at lot.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...4~2015~682~3027&teams=22~22~4~4~4~4&te=&cash=

I get that Brandon is the face of the franchise, and he's a stud at 2G. But, we have Rudy, and Rudy may turn out to be just as good as Brandon, if we're lucky.

New Roster
Rose/Sergio
Rudy/Jerryd/Hughes
Webs/Nic (flip these if you want)
LA/Frye/Ike/Shav
Greg/Frye/Raef

The Blazers consolidate talent and upgrade their weakest postion, with a young stud. They have enough minutes to go around, except at SG. They lose Joel and Brandon and that, as they say around here, butthurts.

The Bulls get some size with Joel and Trav. They get a stud SG, and a steady backup to Kirk. They get out of Hughes' contract ($12.8M!!).

Ok, let me have it! *Ducks and runs for cover*

 

[drexlersdad]

why trade roy? he is great, and rose isnt yet.

 

[Tortimer]

Hell no what are you thinking and that is coming from a huge Rose fan. I really wanted the Blazers to get Rose as our PG last year.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

We are not trading Brandon Roy

Chicago is not trading Derek Rose

/thread

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

crazy, Roy is going to have his jersey retired at the Rose Garden......you don't trade players like that their 3rd year in the league...he's the face of the franchise and our leader. nuts.

 

[dreamcloud]

Holy shit..

 

[Tortimer]

I always liked Roy but after his play this year I think he is just behind the top few players Kobe, LeBron, Wade etc. I really think he is getting really close to the top tier of star players and Rose isn't there yet. I do think Rose will end up the 3rd or 4th best PG in the league but he isn't there yet and Roy is already getting close to the top tier of SG's IMO. He is so clutch which is really hard to find a player like Roy. You also want to trade other good players we need Joel, Outlaw etc. and take back a bad contract in Hughes. We can't trade Joel until we know Oden is going to stay healthy. I actually think the Bulls would think about this trade but KP would hang up.

 

[Minstrel]

I think neither team would take the risk. Roy is currently superior and has upside left. Rose possesses the risk of being unproven, but has the possibility of being a top-tier point guard (if he becomes a Chris Paul level player, he'll be significantly more valuable than Roy).

With all the rest of the young talent Portland has, they'd probably prefer the certainty that Roy represents, rather than increasing the risk/reward factor another step. Chicago, facing a major building effort, needs the highest upside potential it can get.

So, I suspect this deal would be viewed unfavourably by both sides.

 

[oldguy]

Ugh! Kinda thought this might be the reaction. I think that, unless Roy and Rudy can learn to play in the back court together (and I don't think that is a given), we will have to look at moving one of them. It is a waste of talent to have a guy as good as Rudy coming off the bench, IMO. Seems like there is not doubt among you guys above that it will be Rudy, then? I don't think Rudy brings back a D. Rose.

A PG that gets 19pt/5rb/6ast, with good FG%, 3pt%, FT%. That's not there yet? Very similar to Brandon's stats, even though I'll admit that Brandon's value isn't reflected well by stats.

 

[Masbee]

Look at the mug on this guy - see avatar.

You want to trade him?



I was really into finding a way to luck into Rose with the lotto (didn't happen) or trade up to get him. He was my #1 (he he) choice for our team a long ways off from the draft. I baaaadly wanted defense and good size at the 1 spot. Once we lost the lotto and he vaulted up the draft board, that dream died.

I love the idea of trading for Rose. But, you don't trade one good young guard for another. There is little point to it.

Instead, consider trading Aldridge for Rose. That is a "stupid" big for small trade, but the only way to get Chicago to even think about it.

Then use the cap space this summer to sign a FA power forward. Boozer, Odom, Marion, Marvin Williams, Milsap and David Lee among others are free agents. Or in a lopsided money trade players like AK-47 & Diaw might be available.

Look how many real good young points are in the NBA. Few. Look how many real good young power forwards are in the NBA. A bit more than a few. It is a bit easier to get another decent power forward than point guard.

Rose/Roy/Rudy

RRR - The best 3 guard rotation in the NBA. Dear god.

 

[MAS RipCity]

I know I'll get flamed for suggesting this, but this might be the consolidation we're needing. I almost want to punch myself for even bringing this up.

Let me say at the outset, I like all of the guys I'm suggesting the Blazers would trade....at lot.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...4~2015~682~3027&teams=22~22~4~4~4~4&te=&cash=

I get that Brandon is the face of the franchise, and he's a stud at 2G. But, we have Rudy, and Rudy may turn out to be just as good as Brandon, if we're lucky.

New Roster
Rose/Sergio
Rudy/Jerryd/Hughes
Webs/Nic (flip these if you want)
LA/Frye/Ike/Shav
Greg/Frye/Raef

The Blazers consolidate talent and upgrade their weakest postion, with a young stud. They have enough minutes to go around, except at SG. They lose Joel and Brandon and that, as they say around here, butthurts.

The Bulls get some size with Joel and Trav. They get a stud SG, and a steady backup to Kirk. They get out of Hughes' contract ($12.8M!!).

Ok, let me have it! *Ducks and runs for cover*

The new team sucks

 

[DaRizzle]

I actually think its an awesome trade for you guys (but it wont happen of course). Nobody really want to accept this team is 2-3 years off and this trade sets that up even more AND eliminates log jams and putting people in unnatural positions. Then when everybody is REALLY ready to rock the NBA then BOOM trade that large expiring in Hughes and get the disgruntled 2nd tier star in the position you decide you need help in at that point.

Maybe if you replaced "Roy" with the word "widget" in you mind you can think about this trade more clearly

 

[RoyToy]

Roy is better than Rudy.
Roy is better than Rose.

Cleared everything up.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I see the thought process, and while not completely bat shit crazy (close) I think I'd rather just go ahead and roll with Brandon as the leader of this team and him being one of only a handful of guys that are truly clutch in the league.

Rose is going to be great I'm sure, but I'll pass.

 

[RR7]

SA has done just fine with Manu coming off the bench, and for 10 games, I would say we have done just fine with Rudy coming off the bench. There's 96 minutes to go around at the guard position. Once we find that 3rd guard(Bayless?), you have a 3 guard rotation, each getting roughly 32 minutes. You don't trade Roy for that, and you don't feel the need to sweeten it for them by adding in Outlaw and Przybilla, and taking on Hughes.

 

[oldguy]

The new team sucks

Yeah, they'd probably only win about 60.

 

[DaRizzle]

Yeah, they'd probably only win about 60.

in 3 years

 

[Tortimer]

I actually think its an awesome trade for you guys (but it wont happen of course). Nobody really want to accept this team is 2-3 years off and this trade sets that up even more AND eliminates log jams and putting people in unnatural positions. Then when everybody is REALLY ready to rock the NBA then BOOM trade that large expiring in Hughes and get the disgruntled 2nd tier star in the position you decide you need help in at that point.

Maybe if you replaced "Roy" with the word "widget" in you mind you can think about this trade more clearly

Of coarse you would like that trade anything to keep us from being a great team in the next couple years.

 

[Денг Гордон]

LOL. You would have to trade 2 of 4 of Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Greg Oden, and LaMarcus Aldridge to get Derrick Rose, and that's the conservative estimate of what it'll take. Definitely not that package.

 

[dpc]

Holy shit..

haha perfectly said

 

[Tortimer]

Yeah, they'd probably only win about 60.

The team after the trade would suck but it would be a lot worse then before the trade. There is no way KP even listens to that trade.

 

[DaRizzle]

Of coarse you would like that trade anything to keep us from being a great team in the next couple years.

Well you arent gonna be a "great" team...you are gonna be a good team. Im serious when I say I like this trade

 

[Tortimer]

LOL. You would have to trade 2 of 4 of Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Greg Oden, and LaMarcus Aldridge to get Derrick Rose, and that's the conservative estimate of what it'll take. Definitely not that package.

Don't worry KP and the Blazers would never offer that trade.

 

[DaRizzle]

uh oh...both sides dont want it...must be fair

 

[andalusian]

LOL. You would have to trade 2 of 4 of Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Greg Oden, and LaMarcus Aldridge to get Derrick Rose, and that's the conservative estimate of what it'll take. Definitely not that package.

I am pretty sure that both teams will have the same reaction. Roy is Portland and he is going to be one of the league's better small-guard/combo-guard and Rose is the Bulls and he is going to be one of the league's better point-guards - he has a chance to be a faster, stronger Deron.

While Rose might be a better player than Roy when all is said and done - no one knows what kind of a leader he will be and how clutch he will be - so I suspect that the Blazers are not going to be thinking about moving their undisputed leader for him, as tempting as it might be...

Anyway - with Oden and the kind of team that is built here - there is no real need for a super-star PG to clean championships. As important as point-guards are - the last time a super-star PG powered his team to the championship was during Isiah's days. The only thing close to it in modern times was Billups when Detroit won again - and while Billups is one of the better PGs in the league - I do not think he is going to be a superstar PG in the form the Isiah, Nash, CP3, Deron a likely Rose will be...

Now - having a great PG does not hurt, if you have a great interior player - as we have seen with SAS...

Having a great interior player and a very good or great SG is the more likely combination to bring you rings - and the Blazers already have that in Roy/Oden.

 

[RoyToy]

LOL. You would have to trade 2 of 4 of Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Greg Oden, and LaMarcus Aldridge to get Derrick Rose, and that's the conservative estimate of what it'll take. Definitely not that package.

Yeah, I'll tell KP to send over Roy and Oden for Rose right now. Hopefully it's enough.

Whacko.

 

[Tortimer]

Well you arent gonna be a "great" team...you are gonna be a good team. Im serious when I say I like this trade

I think we are a lot closer then you think! You are underestimating Roy's ability and you will see this year. I do think Rose is going to be a very good PG in the NBA but I like Paul and Williams better. I know your a Laker fan and just because the Lakers blew us out the first game and Oden hasn't played great so far. There is nobody in the NBA IMO that will be better then the Blazers in a couple years and you can take that to the bank.

 

[Денг Гордон]

uh oh...both sides dont want it...must be fair

No, it's a rip for Derrick Rose. We could get much better value for Rose than Brandon Roy and average players. Blazers can't get anything better than Derrick Rose.

Derrick is already scoring close to the same amount as B-Roy as a rookie, on a higher scoring efficiency, while being a better passer.

Derrick Rose is 20 years old and is already playing fringe allstar level. He is loved by the Bulls fans in Chicago...~88% of fans polled before the draft wanted Rose over Beasley. He is a huge money maker for the franchise, and will garauntee full crowds for his tenure here.

Rose has to have one of the highest trade values in the league. Lebron James, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and maybe Kobe Bryant are probably the only players with a higher trade value at this point.

Rookie point guards who are already playing like allstars don't get traded for a fringe allstar. The Rose for Aldridge trade was even more laughable. It'd probably take a Roy+Aldridge package or a Fernandez + Oden package to get Rose from Chicago.

I'm not saying that those trades are necessarily in Portland's best interest, but that is realistically what it will take, at the very minimum, for Bulls management to ship out Derrick Rose.

 

[RoyToy]

It'd take more than Rose to pry Roy from Portland.

Neither team would make the trade. Simple.

 

[Tortimer]

I like already posted this is a terrible trade for the Blazers. Even if you consider Rose being better then Roy now and in the future which isn't going to happen IMO the rest of the trade is terrible. Joel, Outlaw and Blake are all decent players and important for the Blazers. You don't trade Joel until Oden has played at least one full year without being injured. Even then Joel makes a great backup. Outlaw and Blake are both good players off the bench with cheap good contracts (team option next year). Hughes has a bad contract and why would we trade 3 important players for our team for a bad contract and the only thing we can get out of the trade is trading our franchise player for a possible really good PG.