Will Barton NBA-Ready

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
nate played the youngins, just not to the teams detriment

which is sometimes good
 
I'm excited about Barton, I have a very good feeling about him. He could very well earn the backup SF position by the start of the season.
 
Sinobas said:
I'm excited about Barton, I have a very good feeling about him. He could very well earn the backup SF position by the start of the season.
Click to expand...

I dunno... I'm pretty sure he can beat out Babbitt for the starting position.
 
Babbit's not a joke anymore though, he can drain the 3s!
 
At 175 Will is a little thin for a SF. I see him as a SG all the way. Wes may be an inch shorter, but he is 45 lbs heavier. I think Wes would be a better option, with Elliot and Will at the 2. This of course is if Batum leaves and we get nothing in return.
 
The kid is delusional. :)

I hope he stuns the masses!
 
The fact that he weighs less than me and is 9" taller, kinda scares me.
 
Jeremy Lamb and Rip Hamilton are thin too, but they're not being asked to push a lineman forward in a goal line situation, this is the NBA.

Why is Jeremy Lamb a lotto pick and Will Barton a 2nd rounder? They are similar in terms of size and athletisism, and I think Will is actually has a better all round offensive game.
 
Sinobas said:
Jeremy Lamb and Rip Hamilton are thin too, but they're not being asked to push a lineman forward in a goal line situation, this is the NBA.

Why is Jeremy Lamb a lotto pick and Will Barton a 2nd rounder? They are similar in terms of size and athletisism, and I think Will is actually has a better all round offensive game.
Click to expand...

I am not too worried about his weight as a shooting guard (Like Lamb and Rip) I am just saying he could not start at the SF position at his current size. They would go right at him to start every game just back him down. The guy is SG at this point.
 
Sinobas said:
Why is Jeremy Lamb a lotto pick and Will Barton a 2nd rounder? They are similar in terms of size and athletisism, and I think Will is actually has a better all round offensive game.
Click to expand...

I like Barton, but lamb is undoubtedly a better athlete and has better dimensions. Lamb has a better vert, sprint and a much better lane agility. He is longer and his body, even though just a tad heavier, looks like it will add more weight as time goes on, but that's just my opinion.

Barton has strengths also, but they are not similar athletically.
 
GOD said:
I like Barton, but lamb is undoubtedly a better athlete and has better dimensions. Lamb has a better vert, sprint and a much better lane agility. He is longer and his body, even though just a tad heavier, looks like it will add more weight as time goes on, but that's just my opinion.

Barton has strengths also, but they are not similar athletically.
Click to expand...

Check those numbers again, because I'm not sure you were looking at the right player? Will Barton's standing reach is 2 inches higher, he weighs 5 less pounds, and is an inch taller. So they are very similar in size.

Athletisism:
Barton's vertical is one inch higher. He did 8 reps on bench as opposed to 2 for Lamb, he was 2 hundreths of a second faster in agility and 3 hundreths slower in the sprint. Again, pretty much identical. But Barton actually has a slight edge if anything.

The big thing is skill and on court production, Barton seems to be every bit as good as Lamb, at least in looking at stats and highlight films. So I"m not sure what the big diff is.
 
Last edited:
Pinwheel1 said:
I am not too worried about his weight as a shooting guard (Like Lamb and Rip) I am just saying he could not start at the SF position at his current size. They would go right at him to start every game just back him down. The guy is SG at this point.
Click to expand...

JR Rider used to post up Eddie Jones a lot, and Jones had a hard time with him, but that didn't negate how good Jones was. I don't really see SGs posting up alot anymore. With the new defensive rules, your PF could pick him up down low easy enough.
 
I think a more interesting comparison is with Elliot Williams.

They seem very similar.
 
Sinobas said:
JR Rider used to post up Eddie Jones a lot, and Jones had a hard time with him, but that didn't negate how good Jones was. I don't really see SGs posting up alot anymore. With the new defensive rules, your PF could pick him up down low easy enough.
Click to expand...

I admit I do not mind a little "small ball". Especially when you have two bigs on the floor with three athletic players. But there is no reason we need to move Will Barton to the SF position when the SG position is also in need of some depth. Keep him as a SG.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
I think a more interesting comparison is with Elliot Williams.

They seem very similar.
Click to expand...

Elliot is MUCH more athletic. But Barton is probably more skilled. I think a good comparison for Barton would be Josh Howard/Marquis Daniels. Elliot Williams is more like Gerald Green.
 
I'm hoping that both Elliot and Barton do well enough to both get playing time. We really need some scoring off the bench. I think one could play 2 the other 3. Could Babbit be a back up PF?
 
Last edited:
Sinobas said:
Check those numbers again, because I'm not sure you were looking at the right player? Will Barton's standing reach is 2 inches higher, he weighs 5 less pounds, and is an inch taller. So they are very similar in size.

Athletisism:
Barton's vertical is one inch higher. He did 8 reps on bench as opposed to 2 for Lamb, he was 2 hundreths of a second faster in agility and 3 hundreths slower in the sprint. Again, pretty much identical. But Barton actually has a slight edge if anything.

The big thing is skill and on court production, Barton seems to be every bit as good as Lamb, at least in looking at stats and highlight films. So I"m not sure what the big diff is.
Click to expand...
Will Barton

Jeremy lamb

These are the draft express pages I got my info from. Is this wrong?
Barton standing reach is half an inch taller but wingspan is 1.25' shorter

Barton max vert 34'
Lamb max vert 38'

Barton sprint 3.60
Lamb sprint 3.25

Barton agility 12.50
Lamb agility 10.98

If those are the correct numbers, I don't think they are close
 
Looks like someone has their numbers mixed up. NBAdraft.net has the same numbers for Beal and Barton. DraftXPress has Bradley Beal with the same athletisism numbers that Barton has on nbadraft.net. So it looks like nbadraft.net messed up and over-wrote Barton's numbers with Beals. Which is unfortunate because, Barton's numbers on draftxpress are in the bottom 5 in the entire draft. His times are similar to Sullinger, who fell as a PF, partially due to weak testing, and Barton is a 175 pound guard.

In fact, his agility is the 6th worst in draftxpresses entire database(which has 4 entire draft classes), his sprint the 7th slowest. I hope he had pnemonia or something when he was tested, or that perhaps there was some other mistake. Those numbers are hard to believe.

Update:
I actually found a blog on Barton's numbers. The much faster ones I was looking at, apparantly originated from Chad Ford at ESPN. It seems that you have to be an "insider" to see them though.
 
Last edited:
Mediocre Man said:
Barton is athletic. I watched many of his games on film. No worries
Click to expand...

He doesn't seem that unathletic with the eyeball test. He seems to move around the court every bit as well as lamb. But who knows, maybe he is really not a good athlete in terms of measurables. But some guys really make it work, like Andre Miller and Nick Van Exel.
 
The kid is driven, there is no doubt about that. Maybe Lamb scores a bit better in some athletic measures. But IF Barton has more drive, more competitive fire, more killer instinct, and a better head on his shoulders, I'll take him.
 
His advanced stats are impressive:

Barton: 26.6 PER || 59 TS% || 6.7 WS

Beal: 22.0 PER || 58 TS% || 6.0 WS

Lamb: 22.1 PER || 59 TS% || 5.8 WS

Beal and Baron have similar stats to Eric Gordon during his last/only year at Indiana.
 
I just watched a replay of the press conference introducing the players. It was interesting that Olshey said at pick #22 that Paul Allen started urging them to trade up to get Barton. They were amazed he was still there at #40. That was also quite an insight into how involved PA gets and how he influences things. Maybe PA didn't really feel comfortable jumping in like that with Cho?
 
I heard that Barton's numbers were unimpressive. But then again, so were Monta Ellis's - one reason HE fell to the second round. And he's not exactly unathletic.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

HailBlazers
Will Barton, CJ McCollum
Replies
15
Views
743
BBert
BBert
Draco
NBA players rankings
Replies
13
Views
1K
KingSpeed
KingSpeed
Draco
Batum and Barton backcourt
Replies
2
Views
218
shamelessblazer
S
blazerfan11
Shaedon Sharpe vs Brandon Roy
2 3 4
Replies
103
Views
7K
SharpeScooterShooter
SharpeScooterShooter
Pinwheel1
Gerald Henderson
3 4 5
Replies
128
Views
12K
riverman
riverman

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top