Will Miles play tonight? (Merged)

[The_Lillard_King]

My question is, if the Blazers were told by the league that they wouldn't be allowed to claim Darius off of waivers because it would circumvent the intent of the CBA, then why isn't it also circumvention of the medical retirement section of the CBA for a team to use this 10 game cameo appearance nonsense as a means of screwing another team?

I think it is more of an issue of being able to prove it. If the Blazers had a tape of two GMs talking about signing Miles, not becuase they want him or think he will help the team, but to screw the Blazers . . . I think the league listens to the Blazers and considers letting the rule still apply while fining the other teams.

But there is no way one can show why you sign a player. If I'm Memphis and I know I can sign Miles without it costing me a thing (they get money back on the back end), I do it. Not to mess with the Blazers, but because I'm a cheap owner who has the opportunity to add a roster spot with a player that may or amy not help but ti's free.

If it sucks for the Blazers, too bad for them. But they are an up and coming franchise that I really could care less if signing Miles helps or hurts them, I have my own problems of a losing franchise with little monsy and I'm trying to keep the whole thing afloat.

I just don't see how a franchise would be unable to justify signing Miles for the right reasons. Unlike the Blazers, wehre on it's face, cutting a player via medicl retirement and then caliming them off waivers to sit them (after tossing out a threat to other teams about signing Miles). That is an in your face league move that Stern won't put up with.

 

[e_blazer]

I can tell you this much, if the Blazers get screwed out of cap relief this summer, then the Knicks may as well forget about asking for a medical retirement exception for Cuttino Mobley next year. In fact, this process should effectively kill the idea of any team using that provision in the future.

 

[e_blazer]

But there is no way one can show why you sign a player.

Exactly, and yet apparently the league could divine the Blazers' intentions in seeking to claim Darius off waivers. How could they know with certainty that the Blazers didn't decide that if Darius is capable of playing in the NBA, it may as well be for them since they're already paying him his contract anyway?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I can tell you this much, if the Blazers get screwed out of cap relief this summer, then the Knicks may as well forget about asking for a medical retirement exception for Cuttino Mobley next year. In fact, this process should effectively kill the idea of any team using that provision in the future.

That is why I think they may reevaluate this rule and change it at the next negotiations.

But I don't think it is because of the Blazer situation. I have been reading a lot of articles about the Miels situation and my feeling is there aren't many out there feeling sorry for the Blazers. And not because they enjoy watching the Blazers get screwed, but because the general consensus seems to be Miles can play. Not to the level as before, but he contribute on some level.

So I don't think the Blazer sitaution is a good example of abuse of the rule if they decide to try and change the rule. In fact, Miles may be used as a reason to keep the rule unchanged . . . doesn't allow a team to dictate when someone should retire while at the same time shaving off cap space.

 

[maxiep]

Exactly . . . Miles has always been cleared to play. All that has been established is if Miles retires, then the Blazers qualify for the medical retirement clause/rule that allows the Blazers to remove Miles salry off their cap.

But Miles did not retire, he decided to play (righ or wrong), so the medical retirement rule doesn't apply.

Basically Blazers cut Miles, hoped to utilize the medical retirement rule becuase of Darius' injury, but becuase Darius played, they don't get to utilize the medical retirement rule. Sucks . . . but it is what it is.

Okay, I tried to answer this bumfuzzled string of thoughts, but I'm waving the white flag. Sometimes you just can't reason with someone who is so far off base and misinformed. I'd invite you to read Larry Coon's site and reevaluate your position.

 

[DaRizzle]

^talking about yourself?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Okay, I tried to answer this bumfuzzled string of thoughts, but I'm waving the white flag. Sometimes you just can't reason with someone who is so far off base and misinformed. I'd invite you to read Larry Coon's site and reevaluate your position.

Thank god . . . i hate your long winded posts.

 

[maxiep]

That is why I think they may reevaluate this rule and change it at the next negotiations.

But I don't think it is because of the Blazer situation. I have been reading a lot of articles about the Miels situation and my feeling is there aren't many out there feeling sorry for the Blazers. And not because they enjoy watching the Blazers get screwed, but because the general consensus seems to be Miles can play. Not to the level as before, but he contribute on some level.

So I don't think the Blazer sitaution is a good example of abuse of the rule if they decide to try and change the rule. In fact, Miles may be used as a reason to keep the rule unchanged . . . doesn't allow a team to dictate when someone should retire while at the same time shaving off cap space.

So, all players that can play should do so at the long term risk of their own health? I look forward to Cat Mobley and Jonathan Bender being forced to rejoin the league, regardless of what happens to them long-term.

 

[maxiep]

Thank god . . . i hate your long winded posts.

Congratulations on your short attention span and your comfort level with ignorance.

 

[maxiep]

^talking about yourself?

Ah, here comes the butthurt DaRizzle. Go comfort yourself with your "I love the rapist" teddy bear.

 

[DaRizzle]

Congratulations on your short attention span and your comfort level with ignorance.

Congrats on those huge rose colored blinders you have on. If it hurts the Blazers then its against the law...right?

Blazers can do no wrong!!!

 

[DaRizzle]

Ah, here comes the butthurt DaRizzle. Go comfort yourself with your "I love the rapist" teddy bear.

You realize I dont give a rats ass on your Kobe opinions and comments like this just make you own arguments look weak right?

 

[maxiep]

Congrats on those huge rose colored blinders you have on. If it hurts the Blazers then its against the law...right?

Blazers can do no wrong!!!

The Blazers arguably did more wrong between 1995-2005 than any other team in the league. However, we followed all the rules in the Miles situation and have acted completely above board. Note that we're not threatening those who really want to give Miles a chance. We're informing those who wish to exploit a loophole in the CBA that there will be consequences. Darius is being used by Memphis.

 

[maxiep]

You realize I dont give a rats ass on your Kobe opinions and comments like this just make you own arguments look weak right?

Yet you continue to comment on them. You care. Oh, you care deeply.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

So, all players that can play should do so at the long term risk of their own health? I look forward to Cat Mobley and Jonathan Bender being forced to rejoin the league, regardless of what happens to them long-term.

Who isn't risking their long term health by playing basketball at the NBA level? Should cartilage wear and tear be considered damaging long term health. I don't think any doctor would say that playing in the NBA is a good thing to do after a significant injury. Heck even with no injuries you come out of the NBA with chronic arthritis.

Maybe we should force Kobe to get surgery on his hand because he risks more damage by playing with it taped up. Same for Brandon. What the heck was Webster playing for before taking an x-ray.

We should get a league wide doctor that has to approve anyone taking the court making sure any injuries they have will not create long term health risks by taking the court.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Congratulations on your short attention span and your comfort level with ignorance.

Congrats on being arrogant and insulting.

 

[DaRizzle]

Yet you continue to comment on them. You care. Oh, you care deeply.

Im just amazed by your blinding hate. You seem to care about Kobe more than I do.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Im just amazed by your blinding hate. You seem to care about Kobe more than I do.

Kobe envy

 

[maxiep]

Who isn't risking their long term health by playing basketball at the NBA level? Should cartilage wear and tear be considered damaging long term health. I don't think any doctor would say that playing in the NBA is a good thing to do after a significant injury. Heck even with no injuries you come out of the NBA with chronic arthritis.

Maybe we should force Kobe to get surgery on his hand because he risks more damage by playing with it taped up. Same for Brandon. What the heck was Webster playing for before taking an x-ray.

We should get a league wide doctor that has to approve anyone taking the court making sure any injuries they have will not create long term health risks by taking the court.

There are injuries that can be managed and there are injuries that will result with an extreme degree of certainty in joint replacement. Ligaments heal themselves. Bones re-fuse or can be re-set. Cartilage is different. It doesn't regrow nor does it ever heal. Your posts demonstrate that you know nothing about either the CBA or knee cartilage issues.

 

[maxiep]

Im just amazed by your blinding hate. You seem to care about Kobe more than I do.

Nope. There's just a big purple button I can press to get you to react. Dance, monkey, dance!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

There are injuries that can be managed and there are injuries that will result with an extreme degree of certainty in joint replacement. Ligaments heal themselves. Bones re-fuse or can be re-set. Cartilage is different. It doesn't regrow nor does it ever heal. Your posts demonstrate that you know nothing about either the CBA or knee cartilage issues.

Okie dokie oh wise one.

 

[maxiep]

Okie dokie oh wise one.

Sadly, on this issue I know more than I'd like.

 

[DaRizzle]

This message is hidden because maxiep is on your ignore list.

ah.....honestly I ve never "ignored" any poster. Ive said I would but never had. I might even take you off for a laugh...but it just feels so right

 

[maxiep]

ah.....honestly I ve never "ignored" any poster. Ive said I would but never had. I might even take you off for a laugh...but it just feels so right

Sorry the truth about Kobe being a rapist bothers you so.

 

[DaRizzle]

This message is hidden because maxiep is on your ignore list.

Damn, this place got so much nicer so fast!

 

[maxiep]

Damn, this place got so much nicer so fast!

Sorry we don't all bow at the altar of Kobe. By the way, when you bow at that altar, you do so over a credenza.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Sadly, on this issue I know more than I'd like.

You aren't the only one to go through medical surgeries. There are a lot of ex or current basketball players (or jocks) on this site who have had their fair share of surgeries. Personally, I have had my ACL replaced and although I researched before hand, I don't claim to be an expert on knees.

I don't claim to be an expert on all these topics, but I'm sorry that I'm not buying you are an expert on all these topic either.

If you got this all figured out, why even be this board. If it is to educate us posters "who don't have any idea what we are taking about" then you aren't doing it the right way. If it is to belittle us . . . well whatever floats your boat.

But this idea you are the expert on all these topics . . . personally I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

 

[maxiep]

You aren't the only one to go through medical surgeries. There are a lot of ex or current basketball players (or jocks) on this site who have had their fair share of surgeries. Personally, I have had my ACL replaced and although I researched before hand, I don't claim to be an expert on knees.

I don't claim to be an expert on all these topics, but I'm sorry that I'm not buying you are an expert on all these topic either.

If you got this all figured out, why even be this board. If it is to educate us posters "who don't have any idea what we are taking about" then you aren't doing it the right way. If it is to belittle us . . . well whatever floats your boat.

But this idea you are the expert on all these topics . . . personally I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

So if I posted that it's impossible for ACL's to be grafted or to re-fuse, you would let it go unanswered? The bottom line is that you're demonstrating a deep ignorance on this subject. When I attempt to correct your misconceptions, you get defensive and snippy. On this issue, you did fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

You're welcome.

 

[Bartholomew Hunt]

Awwwww poor Maxie.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

So if I posted that it's impossible for ACL's to be grafted or to re-fuse, you would let it go unanswered? The bottom line is that you're demonstrating a deep ignorance on this subject. When I attempt to correct your misconceptions, you get defensive and snippy. On this issue, you did fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

You're welcome.

You're "attempt to correct misconseptions" could use a little . . . no a lot of work.


But let's cut to the chase, shall we. I read some of your posts and you are convinced Allen and Co are not going to let this go, and file a lawsuit, is that right?