OT Will Portland Become A War Zone This Weekend?

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, but peaceful ones for the most part. These violent hateful ones ramped up since Trump

They were disruptive though. Blocking max trains. Creating chaos. I know this because I was working downtown at the time and it made life very difficult.

 

[Chris Craig]

They were disruptive though. Blocking max trains. Creating chaos. I know this because I was working downtown at the time and it made life very difficult.

Occupy Portland? Yeah that was disruptive. I believe Antifa did make a showing during that, though it was mostly peaceful. There was a lot of damage to the parks downtown. I remember that.

I don't recall seeing Antifa again till Trump. He gave them a reason to destroy shit again not that they seem to need one. He also emblodened these right wing white supremacist groups to come out. Those groups didnt say to themselves oh look antifa destroyed a bunch of shit lets go protest about our supremacy. They came out because of Trump.

 

[MarAzul]

Yeah, but peaceful ones for the most part. These violent hateful ones ramped up since Trump

I think this correct. A hell of a lot a liberals can not accept an election.

 

[Lanny]

Just hearing about this. Should I be calling back home and tell my extended family to hide the women and children?!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/14/us/portland-planned-protests-soh/index.html

(CNN) Multiple far-right and extremist groups plan to protest in Portland this weekend where they may come face to face with anti-fascist counter-demonstrators.

The city's mayor has asked people to stay away, while police are preparing operational plans in case they need to intervene.....

....There are fears that the rally will attract many right-wing extremists, as well as Antifa counter-protests. (CONTINUED)

If I weren't disabled I'd be there protesting the far Right guys. Would I involve myself in violence or even counter violence? Hell, no. I'm not in to that kind of stuff. I've been involved in enough fighting in combat to satisfy me for a lifetime, unless, of course, someone wants to fuck with my family. I do have a boiling point but it's up there pretty high.

 

[barfo]

But in this case, can you show me a conservative protest that took place before antifa started causing problems here?

Yes. The protest vote for Trump.

barfo

 

[theprunetang]

As much as I don't like the way these things have gone over the last couple of years, I can't ignore the fact that LITERAL Nazis are marching through the streets of Portland and you people are blaming "both sides" and hating on Antifa. There are dick bags in any group, but Antifa stands for Anti-fascist. The hateful right wing groups stand for fascism and don't believe non whites have the right to even exist. One of these things is not like the other.

You can't believe that non-white people don't have a right to even exist and still be called a "peaceful protester". Fuck that shit.

 

[Leroylib]

As much as I don't like the way these things have gone over the last couple of years, I can't ignore the fact that LITERAL Nazis are marching through the streets of Portland and you people are blaming "both sides" and hating on Antifa. There are dick bags in any group, but Antifa stands for Anti-fascist. The hateful right wing groups stand for fascism and don't believe non whites have the right to even exist. One of these things is not like the other.

You can't believe that non-white people don't have a right to even exist and still be called a "peaceful protester". Fuck that shit.

Kool-Aid.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

As much as I don't like the way these things have gone over the last couple of years, I can't ignore the fact that LITERAL Nazis are marching through the streets of Portland and you people are blaming "both sides" and hating on Antifa. There are dick bags in any group, but Antifa stands for Anti-fascist. The hateful right wing groups stand for fascism and don't believe non whites have the right to even exist. One of these things is not like the other.

You can't believe that non-white people don't have a right to even exist and still be called a "peaceful protester". Fuck that shit.

I don't care what ANTIFA calls themselves, they are literally just as bad, violent, dangerous as the fascists/nazi's they're fighting against. Neither of them is looking for "peaceful protests", this isn't just "oh both sides" this is the extremists from both sides looking for a confrontation. The hateful extreme leftists of ANTIFA are just a different stripe of the same crap as the hateful extreme righties. ANTIFA basically believes no one should exist that disagrees with them, and the "nazi's" believe the same. Doesn't matter what these groups call themselves, they are not good for Portland or anywhere. You can't believe that people who disagree with you shouldn't exist and call that a peaceful protestor either.

You can't with a straight face tell me that a bunch of dudes breaking the city, literally only going out there to cause more confrontation are peaceful. They can call themselves the My little pony peace force, I don't care ANTIFA is not out there looking for peace, and neither is the guys on the right.

 

[barfo]

ANTIFA basically believes no one should exist that disagrees with them

Is that true? I haven't read any antifa manifestos so I don't know, but that's the first time I've heard anyone assert that.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Antifa are anarchists under the guise of a noble cause. They just want to cause crime and are using "they are Nazis" as carte blanche to assault people and destroy property.

 

[barfo]

Antifa are anarchists under the guise of a noble cause.

Is that better or worse than an anarchist who just wants to burn stuff down?

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Is that better or worse than an anarchist who just wants to burn stuff down?

barfo

Its figurative.

By burn stuff, I mean people like Antifa. Again, figuratively.

Burn it all down and replace it with a system with more order. We are at the point of no return.

 

[Lanny]

Antifa are anarchists under the guise of a noble cause. They just want to cause crime and are using "they are Nazis" as carte blanche to assault people and destroy property.

It's raw anger at some real injustice. I'm all for the anger part but I wish it were more controlled.
Protesting the Proud Boys, yes, the destruction of property, no.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It's raw anger at some real injustice. I'm all for the anger part but I wish it were more controlled.
Protesting the Proud Boys, yes, the destruction of property, no.

They are just bitter, angry people in general.

They hate suburban white people and the upper middle class so hey, the proud boys are close enough. Bring out the bicycle locks and chains!

They just needed an excuse to get away with it.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The proud boys are fucking losers too. I dont even know what they are celebrating. America? Just there to bait antifa?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Is that true? I haven't read any antifa manifestos so I don't know, but that's the first time I've heard anyone assert that.

barfo

I'm all for being against fascism but think about it. You’re “ANTI “insert ideology”, you show up and protest it, oftentimes violently it doesn't sound like you think those people should exist. It's not about trying to change their minds or change their ideology. It's flat out to eradicate those who hold the ideologies we don't like. I don't like the proud boys either, but I wouldn't take it to the extreme’s of violence and all that...

Edit: For the record, I realize that there are jumps to this logic that aren't necessarily "facts", but I don't at all think that ANTIFA is some peaceful group that is just out there looking out for what's best for people...

 

[Natebishop3]

As much as I don't like the way these things have gone over the last couple of years, I can't ignore the fact that LITERAL Nazis are marching through the streets of Portland and you people are blaming "both sides" and hating on Antifa. There are dick bags in any group, but Antifa stands for Anti-fascist. The hateful right wing groups stand for fascism and don't believe non whites have the right to even exist. One of these things is not like the other.

You can't believe that non-white people don't have a right to even exist and still be called a "peaceful protester". Fuck that shit.

I haven't seen any Nazi propaganda associated with the marches in Portland. Have there been swastikas? Literal Nazis were never scared to rep their shit. Or are we just calling all racists Nazis now?

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm all for being against fascism but think about it. You’re “ANTI “insert ideology”, you show up and protest it, oftentimes violently it doesn't sound like you think those people should exist. It's not about trying to change their minds or change their ideology. It's flat out to eradicate those who hold the ideologies we don't like. I don't like the proud boys either, but I wouldn't take it to the extreme’s of violence and all that...

Edit: For the record, I realize that there are jumps to this logic that aren't necessarily "facts", but I don't at all think that ANTIFA is some peaceful group that is just out there looking out for what's best for people...

I don't know that they are going to change their minds or ideologies regardless. That said, if Antifa didn't show up, there would be no interaction, and the proud boys and other racist groups wouldn't get the publicity they do. They would just be ignored.

 

[calvin natt]

I don't know that they are going to change their minds or ideologies regardless. That said, if Antifa didn't show up, there would be no interaction, and the proud boys and other racist groups wouldn't get the publicity they do. They would just be ignored.

That seems wrong though. Don’t confront the bad people it just brings more attention to them?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That seems wrong though. Don’t confront the bad people it just brings more attention to them?

I understand your point, I just dont think in this case ANTIFA or the proud boys (or whatever those idiots are calling themselves), are the “good people”.

 

[calvin natt]

I understand your point, I just dont think in this case ANTIFA or the proud boys (or whatever those idiots are calling themselves), are the “good people”.

To take a page out of my 7 year old, “he started it”. Who came first, the white supremicists or the antifa?

 

[Chris Craig]

That seems wrong though. Don’t confront the bad people it just brings more attention to them?

Fair point. If you don't confront them it normalizes what they are doing, makes it ok when it's not. I am not saying bad people shouldnt be confronted. There are ways to do that and ways not too. If both groups are downtown, they will be all over the news because the news will be waiting for them to clash, knowing it will happen. If Antifa is not there, the news will not publicize the proud boys or other racist groups.

 

[Chris Craig]

To take a page out of my 7 year old, “he started it”. Who came first, the white supremicists or the antifa?

White Supremacists

But, the argument that because one came first makes the other good, isn't neccessairly a strong one.

 

[barfo]

I'm all for being against fascism but think about it.

I don't know, I think antifa would say you (and I) are not all in against fascism, or we'd be out in the street fighting fascists.

You’re “ANTI “insert ideology”, you show up and protest it, oftentimes violently it doesn't sound like you think those people should exist.

Or maybe you just don't think that ideology should have power. I think that's a key distinction between the two groups. "Your ideology must be defeated" is different than "you people shouldn't exist".

It's not about trying to change their minds or change their ideology. It's flat out to eradicate those who hold the ideologies we don't like. I don't like the proud boys either, but I wouldn't take it to the extreme’s of violence and all that...

Nor would I, but fighting doesn't necessarily imply attempting to exterminate.

Edit: For the record, I realize that there are jumps to this logic that aren't necessarily "facts", but I don't at all think that ANTIFA is some peaceful group that is just out there looking out for what's best for people...

I think they are doing what they think is necessary to defeat what they see as the enemy. I doubt, overall, that they are just doing it because they like violence, although no doubt there are some individuals who are motivated by that alone. Clearly their means are not peaceful. I'm not saying that I agree with either their goals or their tactics, but I think it is incorrect to dismiss them as mere thugs and vandals, or alternatively as Nazis-with-different-colored-uniforms.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

That seems wrong though. Don’t confront the bad people it just brings more attention to them?

You guys have the sequence of events out of whack.

The Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer wouldn't be here without ANTIFA and the protests that happened after Trump was elected. The Proud Boys are confronting ANTIFA and the Liberals in Portland BECAUSE of those protests. It's not like Portland was some quiet berg and the Proud Boys showed up. They saw the protests here and they saw an opportunity to fight ANTIFA.

 

[riverman]

There's a demographic in the world, not just Portland, of bored males who just need an excuse to be hooligans...go find a fight...they get worked up in groups and find a rival that's worked up in groups.….this is not a "Portland" exclusive....Hong Kong ….Gaza Strip....Southside Chicago....Berkely…Euro soccer matches....this has gone on all throughout history when there are extremely divisive politics or rivalries and it sells news....free advertising...get your face on the 5oclock news...your only chance to be seen on TV

 

[Chris Craig]

You guys have the sequence of events out of whack.

The Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer wouldn't be here without ANTIFA and the protests that happened after Trump was elected. The Proud Boys are confronting ANTIFA and the Liberals in Portland BECAUSE of those protests. It's not like Portland was some quiet berg and the Proud Boys showed up. They saw the protests here and they saw an opportunity to fight ANTIFA.

No, they aren't. The proud boys and other neo nazi groups aren't protesting because Antifa. They are protesting because they have been made to feel comfortable. They have been emboldened by Trump. Before the election you did not see them coming out and protesting.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

To take a page out of my 7 year old, “he started it”. Who came first, the white supremicists or the antifa?

I honestly don't know who started it. I know neither side seems to be about stopping it though.

 

[Natebishop3]

No, they aren't. The proud boys and other neo nazi groups aren't protesting because Antifa. They are protesting because they have been made to feel comfortable. They have been emboldened by Trump. Before the election you did not see them coming out and protesting.

I disagree. I don't think these groups would be here if not for ANTIFA. I think they saw the protests in Portland and they saw a great opportunity to create conflict and fight ANTIFA. You don't go fishing where there aren't any fish.

 

[Hoopguru]

When Antifa started directing traffic and harassing citizens is when the extreme right wingers ramp up their interest in PDX.