OT Will Portland Become A War Zone This Weekend?

[barfo]

How do we know that wasn't in fact Sly though?

We'll need to see him in a lineup. Someone will need to photoshop out Sly's facial tattoos.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How do we know that wasn't in fact Sly though?

 

[jonnyboy]

Everyone with half a brain knows these assholes are nazis. They're being smart by not being so blatant about it in public (sans the obvious white power hand signs). No one said they're dumb. They're just evil. And manipulative. And real life trolls. It's ok to punch them and fight them if they invade our city. WWII said so.

So dumb. You’re all about this little kid gang war shit aren’t you? It’s frat boy douchebags vs. adults without jobs. That’s what the whole thing is. All these losers have too much time on their hands so they are inventing battles and screaming for attention. You’re actually trying to convince people there is some important battle against nazis going on. Get fucking real. People with half a brain might agree with you, but those of us with whole brains have more important shit to worry about than frat boy douches and limp wristed men with masks. You can cry nazi all you want but most people won’t buy into that sensationalism. Unless of course they are trying to justify the actions of one side or the other.

 

[santeesioux]

So dumb. You’re all about this little kid gang war shit aren’t you? It’s frat boy douchebags vs. adults without jobs. That’s what the whole thing is. All these losers have too much time on their hands so they are inventing battles and screaming for attention. You’re actually trying to convince people there is some important battle against nazis going on. Get fucking real. People with half a brain might agree with you, but those of us with whole brains have more important shit to worry about than frat boy douches and limp wristed men with masks. You can cry nazi all you want but most people won’t buy into that sensationalism. Unless of course they are trying to justify the actions of one side or the other.

That's about the best description for these two groups I've heard, they're both just Live Action Role Players larping as revolutionaries.

 

[jonnyboy]

That's about the best description for these two groups I've heard, they're both just Live Action Role Players larping as revolutionaries.

That is really funny you drew that parallel. My best friend growing up is now one of the antifa dicks in Portland. I’m pretty sure he is at all of these protests. I’ve talked about him on here before. He was actually into the LARP shit when we were in middle school. We gave him a lot of shit for it, maybe we shouldn’t have because apparently he’s doubled down on the idea. I think we just stumbled onto a pretty solid psychoanalysis.

 

[The Professional Fan]

So dumb. You’re all about this little kid gang war shit aren’t you? It’s frat boy douchebags vs. adults without jobs. That’s what the whole thing is. All these losers have too much time on their hands so they are inventing battles and screaming for attention. You’re actually trying to convince people there is some important battle against nazis going on. Get fucking real. People with half a brain might agree with you, but those of us with whole brains have more important shit to worry about than frat boy douches and limp wristed men with masks. You can cry nazi all you want but most people won’t buy into that sensationalism. Unless of course they are trying to justify the actions of one side or the other.

You worry about it enough to take the time to write a paragraph about it, sport.

 

[santeesioux]

That is really funny you drew that parallel. My best friend growing up is now one of the antifa dicks in Portland. I’m pretty sure he is at all of these protests. I’ve talked about him on here before. He was actually into the LARP shit when we were in middle school. We gave him a lot of shit for it, maybe we shouldn’t have because apparently he’s doubled down on the idea. I think we just stumbled onto a pretty solid psychoanalysis.

What I don't get is how people on both sides get so radicalized to this point, too much time in echo chambers on social media?

 

[calvin natt]

So dumb. You’re all about this little kid gang war shit aren’t you? It’s frat boy douchebags vs. adults without jobs. That’s what the whole thing is. All these losers have too much time on their hands so they are inventing battles and screaming for attention. You’re actually trying to convince people there is some important battle against nazis going on. Get fucking real. People with half a brain might agree with you, but those of us with whole brains have more important shit to worry about than frat boy douches and limp wristed men with masks. You can cry nazi all you want but most people won’t buy into that sensationalism. Unless of course they are trying to justify the actions of one side or the other.

Huh? He was just saying these dipshits are Nazis, no matter how you/they want to attempt to say they aren’t. They are racist punks. Period.

 

[jonnyboy]

You worry about it enough to take the time to write a paragraph about it, sport.

Welp, you got me. You win the argument. Tell your friends you punched a nazi, it’ll sound cooler.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Welp, you got me. You win the argument. Tell your friends you punched a nazi, it’ll sound cooler.

Do you know how much money the city of Portland spent on this weekend? On this supposed internet fight that doesn't exist in reality? Because reality spoke. And it's in dollars. Wake the fuck up.

 

[jonnyboy]

Huh? He was just saying these dipshits are Nazis, no matter how you/they want to attempt to say they aren’t. They are racist punks. Period.

Do you not know what a nazi is? Serious question.

 

[jonnyboy]

Do you know how much money the city of Portland spent on this weekend? On this supposed internet fight that doesn't exist in reality? Because reality spoke. And it's in dollars. Wake the fuck up.

Who said it was an internet fight that didn’t exist? Lol. Who are you responding to? That was completely random and wasn’t a response to anything I said.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Let's try to bring things back down to disagreements instead of arguments.

Or something like that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Let's try to bring things back down to disagreements instead of arguments.

Or something like that.

Sorry, watching the end of season 3 of Stranger Things, it's the best I can do.

 

[Further]

I have no problem with these proud boyz and other white supremacists getting verbally and even violently beaten, but the frenetic nature of these confrontations means that innocent people will be hurt too. I want the law to protect everyone, even these white supremacists, But I also appreciate that some of these antifa are willing to put their liberty and health in jeopardy fighting against these nazi fucks. I don't condone, but I also wouldn't turn antifa in unless they attacked or hurt an innocent bystander. But punch a nazi, fine by me. hit them with a lead pipe or worse, much worse, fine by me as long as the violence is correctly directed and contained to these nazi fucks.

 

[Lanny]

Some are very fine people.

 

[Lanny]

We'll need to see him in a lineup. Someone will need to photoshop out Sly's facial tattoos.

barfo

That's a lot of tatts to photo shop.

 

[jonnyboy]

as long as the violence is correctly directed and contained to these nazi fucks

It never is though, that’s the thing. It’s complete chaos. The people getting hurt are always bystanders. Antifa basically run around throwing windmill punches as far as I can tell. They don’t discriminate, I will give them that. Anyone and everyone can catch a punch or a pipe to the head as far as they care. They are violent pricks, they are not out risking their neck for anyone besides themselves and their egos.

 

[calvin natt]

Do you not know what a nazi is? Serious question.

Serious answer: yes
Serious question: Does it feel weird to even slightly come across as defending Nazis?

 

[andalusian]

Antifa is by definition anti-fascists. Saying there is anything wrong about this is an insult to all the patriots that have given their life in World War 2 and since fighting fascist regimes.

Clearly violence for violence sake is not something anyone should want or hope for - and it is clear that there are cases where innocents are hurt - but the same (innocent bystanders get hurt) could be said during world war 2 when fascist regimes were defeated - so saying that both sides are just as bad is hypocrisy at best imho.

History has shown us that fascists need to be opposed. Plain and simple.

 

[Further]

It never is though, that’s the thing. It’s complete chaos. The people getting hurt are always bystanders. Antifa basically run around throwing windmill punches as far as I can tell. They don’t discriminate, I will give them that. Anyone and everyone can catch a punch or a pipe to the head as far as they care. They are violent pricks, they are not out risking their neck for anyone besides themselves and their egos.

I somewhat agree with your first point that too often innocent people are hurt. I wouldn’t say “it never is though”. Most of the time the violence is directed at the right people but most isn’t enough. Sometimes is too often.

The second part, that they aren’t risking anything and are only doing it for their egos is totally incorrect. They have been beaten up, and arrested. They risk retaliation by the white pride people, the police, and even people who are not on white pride but who are simply anti-antifa. As far as why they do it, I’m sure it’s ego for some but many have sincere convictions and believe they are fighting the good fight and standing up to fascists and nazis.

Anyway, I don’t condone because I don’t want everyone to have the right to decide who is worthy and who is not worthy of a beatdown. But I don’t mind seeing the actual white pride/nazi fucks getting bloodied.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Antifa is by definition anti-fascists. Saying there is anything wrong about this is an insult to all the patriots that have given their life in World War 2 and since fighting fascist regimes.

Clearly violence for violence sake is not something anyone should want or hope for - and it is clear that there are cases where innocents are hurt - but the same (innocent bystanders get hurt) could be said during world war 2 when fascist regimes were defeated - so saying that both sides are just as bad is hypocrisy at best imho.

History has shown us that fascists need to be opposed. Plain and simple.

Antifa is a name they gave themselves, not a definition. They are dangerous, delusional scumbags and anarchists with the objective to assault and cause damage.

I could call myself "Man with the 10" cock", doesn't make it true.

 

[CupWizier]

Antifa is a name they gave themselves, not a definition. They are dangerous, delusional scumbags and anarchists with the objective to assault and cause damage.

I could call myself "Man with the 10" cock", doesn't make it true.

That's cause you have small hands. To to sell when it is obvious.

 

[jonnyboy]

Serious answer: yes
Serious question: Does it feel weird to even slightly come across as defending Nazis?

Oooh got me good. Does it feel weird to call everyone you disagree with a Nazi sympathizer? How many people have the Proud Boys lined up on the edge of a trench and shot lately? The proud boys may be complete dipshits but your overzealous use of the term nazi is a false equation. You’re justifying violence against people you disagree with by using an exaggerated strawman.

I’m not willing to cash in my critical thinking at the threat of someone implying I’m a nazi sympathizer. Try using your McCarthyism on someone who hasn’t studied it, maybe you’ll be able to shame them into agreeing with you.

 

[jonnyboy]

Antifa is by definition anti-fascists. Saying there is anything wrong about this is an insult to all the patriots that have given their life in World War 2 and since fighting fascist regimes.

Clearly violence for violence sake is not something anyone should want or hope for - and it is clear that there are cases where innocents are hurt - but the same (innocent bystanders get hurt) could be said during world war 2 when fascist regimes were defeated - so saying that both sides are just as bad is hypocrisy at best imho.

History has shown us that fascists need to be opposed. Plain and simple.

Operation Iraqi Freedom was called “Operation Iraqi Freedom” lol. Let that one sink in for a minute. People can name shit whatever they want, it doesn’t always define their actions accurately.

 

[calvin natt]

Oooh got me good. Does it feel weird to call everyone you disagree with a Nazi sympathizer? How many people have the Proud Boys lined up on the edge of a trench and shot lately? The proud boys may be complete dipshits but your overzealous use of the term nazi is a false equation. You’re justifying violence against people you disagree with by using an exaggerated strawman.

I’m not willing to cash in my critical thinking at the threat of someone implying I’m a nazi sympathizer. Try using your McCarthyism on someone who hasn’t studied it, maybe you’ll be able to shame them into agreeing with you.

I only call Nazi sympathizers, Nazi sympathizers though...so....not sure what you’re talking about. I call white supremicists Nazis as a loose term. Do you take everything literally? Cuz that must be hard. You think when someone calls a racist a Nazi he/she means they line them up along a trench and shoot them? Hm. That seems weird. I mean, I know they might want to do that, but trenches are kind of a hassle to schedule all your assaults and murders around.

 

[andalusian]

Operation Iraqi Freedom was called “Operation Iraqi Freedom” lol. Let that one sink in for a minute. People can name shit whatever they want, it doesn’t always define their actions accurately.

Until you show me violent antifa events not associated with opposing fascist issues - this is just talk. Can you? (I honestly do not know, I really thought this was it, a collection of people publicly opposing fascist organizations). Do you have anything that shows otherwise? If so - I would certainly be against these instances as I said - I am not for violence for the sake of violence - but so far, all I have seen is that these people only come to publicly oppose fascist organizations.

 

[noknobs]

Until you show me violent antifa events not associated with opposing fascist issues - this is just talk. Can you? (I honestly do not know, I really thought this was it, a collection of people publicly opposing fascist organizations). Do you have anything that shows otherwise? If so - I would certainly be against these instances as I said - I am not for violence for the sake of violence - but so far, all I have seen is that these people only come to publicly oppose fascist organizations.

I'm a layman of antifa, but every time I hear about them it's negative. Like assaulting a right-wing journalist, or beating elderly men with crowbars, or disrupting traffic for no apparent reason. From what I can tell they're just a bunch of fucking idiots who use their "anti-fascist" name as an excuse to disrupt and assault people. They're no better, and no less extreme, than the groups they're supposedly against.

 

[andalusian]

I'm a layman of antifa, but every time I hear about them it's negative. Like assaulting a right-wing journalist, or beating elderly men with crowbars, or disrupting traffic for no apparent reason. From what I can tell they're just a bunch of fucking idiots who use their "anti-fascist" name as an excuse to disrupt and assault people. They're no better, and no less extreme, than the groups they're supposedly against.

These examples are disgraceful, I agree. I have only heard about them before as people that come to protest fascist events. I have no problem with protesting fascist events at all.

 

[jonnyboy]

Until you show me violent antifa events not associated with opposing fascist issues - this is just talk. Can you? (I honestly do not know, I really thought this was it, a collection of people publicly opposing fascist organizations). Do you have anything that shows otherwise? If so - I would certainly be against these instances as I said - I am not for violence for the sake of violence - but so far, all I have seen is that these people only come to publicly oppose fascist organizations.

They chalk everything they do up to “anti-facism”. So once again you’re only argument is that they say they are doing something good, so they must be. Well, they’re lying. How about that?