Wilson Chandler to POR?

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Kevin Martin is all offense, we all get that but his D is AWFUL...

His best DRtg was 107 (05-06/12-13)

His career average for DRtg 111...

 

[Boob-No-More]

Kevin Martin is all offense, we all get that but his D is AWFUL...

His best DRtg was 107 (05-06/12-13)

His career average for DRtg 111...

And we NEED scoring off the bench. It's not like he's going to asked to lock down LeBron and KD...

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Kevin Martin is all offense, we all get that but his D is AWFUL...

His best DRtg was 107 (05-06/12-13)

His career average for DRtg 111...

BTW, DRtg is a terrible stat for determining individual defensive ability. Tayshaun Prince hasn't had a DRtg below 108 in 8 years. For the last seven years:

Tayshaun Prince DRtg:
110
113
115
109
108
108
108

BNM

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

And we NEED scoring off the bench. It's not like he's going to asked to lock down LeBron and KD...

BNM

Yes we need scoring but what good is getting 8-10 points from a player if he is giving up 10-12 in the same game?

Wilson Chandler isn't any better a defender either...

I rather we focus on Afflalo (great bench player but also insurance in case of a Wes leaving situation)

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

BTW, DRtg is a terrible stat for determining individual defensive ability. Tayshaun Prince hasn't had a DRtg below 108 in 8 years. For the last seven years:

Tayshaun Prince DRtg:
110
113
115
109
108
108
108

BNM

Difference is Prince would basically cost us nothing, Martin is gonna take a prospect and future cap space.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yes we need scoring but what good is getting 8-10 points from a player if he is giving up 10-12 in the same game?

Wilson Chandler isn't any better a defender either...

I rather we focus on Afflalo (great bench player but also insurance in case of a Wes leaving situation)

I'd agree, if that was true, but it's not. Go look at Martin's OWN vs. OPP production on 82games.com for the last three seasons. I'm sure it's even better if you go back further to when Martin was more of a big time scorer in HOU and SAC, but his recent performance is more relevant. He's always out produces his OPP, usually a very substantial amount. His defense may not be great, but his offense is much better, he's a always a Net +. He's not the SG version of J.J. Hickson.

If we look at scoring alone, he consistently outscores his OPP no matter who he's played for, not matter his role (starter or bench) or position (SG or SF).

2014-15
SG Net PTS/48: +10.4
SF Net PTS/48: insufficient sample size

2013-14
SG Net PTS/48: +8.6
SF Net PTS/48: +5.2

2012-13
SG Net PTS/48: +1.5
SF Net PTS/48: +6.5

If you look at PER, you can see he also consistently outproduces his OPP overall:

2014-15
OWN: 22.9
OPP: 14.4
NET: +8.5

2013-14
OWN: 17.1
OPP: 12.8
NET: +4.3

2012-13
OWN: 16.8
OPP: 13.6
NET: +3.3

BNM

 

[PDXFonz]

Also, you do realize the guy you have a hard on for, Wilson Chandler has a lower AST% than his teammate and legendary black hole J.J. Hickson, right? Talk about where the ball goes to die...

BNM

To your earlier point I think it is fair to say he would greatly improve our bench scoring, but I still think it comes at too great a cost. Looking at last years stats Chandler (a 2 way player) had a similar AST%(9.3) as Martin (9.0) but he arguably did it with less talent around him. I also honestly feel it's easy to get lost in that statistic. An assist takes more than passing the ball, and correct me if I'm wrong but it's calculated by factoring in the players shots attempted. I'd rather have the guy who makes passes than the guy who gets asssists, because the more passes the player makes the more opportunity for assists. In his 8 games this season Martin was only passing the ball 23.8 times per game. That is a very low number, in fact it's Low enough to put him at 6th worst on the list for players averaging >=30 minutes per game. I won't argue that Chandler is monumentally better, that is not true. However over the course of 30 games Chandler has maintained 30 passes per game in roughly the same amount of time played.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Difference is Prince would basically cost us nothing, Martin is gonna take a prospect and future cap space.

I'm not opposed to pick up Prince on the cheap. We would have to cut someone (Barton or Claver) to make a roster spot, and he doesn't give us nearly the same scoring threat as Martin, but he's a playoff tested veteran.

On the other hand, it's not like we'd be mortgaging our future giving up TRob and one of Barton or Claver to get Martin.

BNM

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I'm not opposed to pick up Prince on the cheap. We would have to cut someone (Barton or Claver) to make a roster spot, and he doesn't give us nearly the same scoring threat as Martin, but he's a playoff tested veteran.

On the other hand, it's not like we'd be mortgaging our future giving up TRob and one of Barton or Claver to get Martin.

BNM

The T-Wolves hate us, it would take the same haul (CJ+T-Rob) as Chandler to get him.

 

[Boob-No-More]

To your earlier point I think it is fair to say he would greatly improve our bench scoring, but I still think it comes at too great a cost. Looking at last years stats Chandler (a 2 way player) had a similar AST%(9.3) as Martin (9.0) but he arguably did it with less talent around him. I also honestly feel it's easy to get lost in that statistic. An assist takes more than passing the ball, and correct me if I'm wrong but it's calculated by factoring in the players shots attempted. I'd rather have the guy who makes passes than the guy who gets asssists, because the more passes the player makes the more opportunity for assists. In his 8 games this season Martin was only passing the ball 23.8 times per game. That is a very low number, in fact it's Low enough to put him at 6th worst on the list for players averaging >=30 minutes per game. I won't argue that Chandler is monumentally better, that is not true. However over the course of 30 games Chandler has maintained 30 passes per game in roughly the same amount of time played.

You do realize Martin played in MIN last year. You can argue he had more overall talent around him but he had fewer guys who could actually shoot. Ricky Rubio almost exclusively ran the offense, but can't hit a shot to save his life. It's not like Martin had a lot of assist opportunities playing with that bunch.

But again, I'm not looking for a playmaker off the bench. That's why we replaced Mo with Blakey. So, now let's give Blake another shooter he can set up and get the ball to in the right spots. Blake will make Martin better, but Martin will also make Blake better at what he's supposed to do - create for others.

What I am looking for is bench scoring. I think that's our most glaring need and Martin would address that need better than anyone else who is likely available.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

The T-Wolves hate us, it would take the same haul (CJ+T-Rob) as Chandler to get him.

David Kahn is long gone. What MIN wants is young, CHEAP players, expiring contracts and draft picks. We can offer all three. In fact, we have a lot of guys who are all of young, cheap and expiring that we're not really using. Might as well turn them into something we CAN use that MIN doesn't want (a 31-year old veteran with 2+ years left on his contract).

BNM

 

[PDXFonz]

You do realize Martin played in MIN last year. You can argue he had more overall talent around him but he had fewer guys who could actually shoot. Ricky Rubio almost exclusively ran the offense, but can't hit a shot to save his life. It's not like Martin had a lot of assist opportunities playing with that bunch.

But again, I'm not looking for a playmaker off the bench. That's why we replaced Mo with Blakey. So, now let's give Blake another shooter he can set up and get the ball to in the right spots. Blake will make Martin better, but Martin will also make Blake better at what he's supposed to do - create for others.

What I am looking for is bench scoring. I think that's our most glaring need and Martin would address that need better than anyone else who is likely available.

BNM

I think we replaced mo with blake for exactly the same reason why I think signing Martin shouldnt happen. We don't need a selfish player who is going to look to score. We want play makers who can score, but also puts their team mates in a position to score. Martin probably is the best bet for bench offense, but it would come at the cost of everyone else.

You've also seen the way Stotts rotates his players. You know who ever is our "scorer" off the bench won't be playing exclusively with bench players.

 

[Scalma]

I think we replaced mo with blake for exactly the same reason why I think signing Martin shouldnt happen. We don't need a selfish player who is going to look to score. We want play makers who can score, but also puts their team mates in a position to score. Martin probably is the best bet for bench offense, but it would come at the cost of everyone else.

You've also seen the way Stotts rotates his players. You know who ever is our "scorer" off the bench won't be playing exclusively with bench players.

A 6'6 wing version of Mo Williams would be a good piece to have on the bench tho. The problem with Mo was that he was a SG in a PGs body and was a primary ball handler.

 

[Scalma]

I always viewed CJ as Mo's replacement, not Blake. Obviously CJ hasn't established himself to date.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I think we replaced mo with blake for exactly the same reason why I think signing Martin shouldnt happen. We don't need a selfish player who is going to look to score. We want play makers who can score, but also puts their team mates in a position to score. Martin probably is the best bet for bench offense, but it would come at the cost of everyone else.

You've also seen the way Stotts rotates his players. You know who ever is our "scorer" off the bench won't be playing exclusively with bench players.

This is why I like Stuckey, you can plug and play him at either guard spot and he can score or dish.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Um, krypto Nate might be shortly bought out. If you're looking for bench scoring...

 

[Scalma]

In discussions with owner Paul Allen, Stotts and the team’s veterans, Olshey says he is hearing that he should be careful not to screw up a good thing.
“We have to look for opportunities, where maybe there’s veteran help that would move the needle a little bit in a playoff period,” Olshey says. “But right now, our chemistry is an X factor. That’s why you see us come back from double-digit deficits in the third quarter. You see guys share the ball and make the extra pass and rotate timely to help the helper. You don’t want to jeopardize that.”
Things have changed from the time when Olshey arrived, which was after a lockout-shortened 2011-12 season in which the Blazers went 28-38.
“When you’re building, you’re just trying to grab assets and hope it works together,” Olshey says. “Right now, we know it works. We have this great unit. Teams win games. Names don’t win games. We have two superstars (Aldridge and Lillard), but it’s about the team and how those five guys on the floor work and communicate together.
“To risk that, it’s going to have to be an absolute no-brainer, where we can quantify the impact of someone coming in from the outside.”
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/246712-114325-can-things-get-any-better-for-blazers-

 

[PDXFonz]

Um, krypto Nate might be shortly bought out. If you're looking for bench scoring...

Very streaky scorer who relied on explosiveness for both offense and defense. Not uncommon for an ACL injury to take that away. Averaging career lows this season.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Everyone on the Denver roster is available.

Afflalo was every bit as good as Wesley in Orlando - is he worth compromising the cap this summer?

 

[riverman]

Everyone on the Denver roster is available.

Afflalo was every bit as good as Wesley in Orlando - is he worth compromising the cap this summer?

I think he is

 

[Scalma]

Everyone on the Denver roster is available.

Afflalo was every bit as good as Wesley in Orlando - is he worth compromising the cap this summer?

Yes.

 

[PDXFonz]

You guys think the Blazers Nuggets talks are dead or nah?

I wonder if things were hot between us and then stalled out because the Nuggers were asking too much. You often hear about those moves during the season which were essentially a done deal, but never go down because a team didn't want to give up a specific asset.

 

[Boise Blazer]

You guys think the Blazers Nuggets talks are dead or nah?

I wonder if things were hot between us and then stalled out because the Nuggers were asking too much. You often hear about those moves during the season which were essentially a done deal, but never go down because a team didn't want to give up a specific asset.

I kinda felt since it didn't go down right away it was dead from the moment we heard it. Although I do wonder now if Afflalo is more of the needle mover that we would be willing to pull the trigger on

 

[Natebishop3]

I would definitely take Afflalo over Chandler.

 

[magnifier661]

I would definitely take Afflalo over Chandler.

You and me both

 

[PDXFonz]

I kinda felt since it didn't go down right away it was dead from the moment we heard it. Although I do wonder now if Afflalo is more of the needle mover that we would be willing to pull the trigger on

How likely is it that the news of Prince being bought out put a stall to our talks with Denver? I mean realistically if you can trade Barton for a second rounder and sign Prince to a veterans minimum, don't you do that over moving two young players?

 

[Boise Blazer]

I would definitely take Afflalo over Chandler.

I feel like for the right price he might that move that is worth it to risk the chemistry they don't want to upset. I think they thought Chandler was a good move but not worth the risk. If Afflalo worked out without risking chemistry we would be a title favorite.

 

[magnifier661]

How likely is it that the news of Prince being bought out put a stall to our talks with Denver? I mean realistically if you can trade Barton for a second rounder and sign Prince to a veterans minimum, don't you do that over moving two young players?

And release Claver and sign Oneal

 

[PDXFonz]

And release Claver and sign Oneal

Right? As far as "No brainers" go, I'd say moving 2 guys with a combined 23 games played (Vic averaging 11 minutes in 4, Barton 9 in 19) to make way for 2 talented veterans is as "no brainer" as they come...Is it not?

 

[MickZagger]

I would definitely take Afflalo over Chandler.

Does Afflalo want to come off the bench though? He was an All Star last year and is a starter in Denver. All we need is to pick up a player to bolster the rotation that isn't happy with his role.