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andalusian said:
The whole idea of the draft is to worry about the projection of every player, be it 18 years old or otherwise, that statement does not make sense to me.

If you think this guy has a reasonable chance to be Giannis, sure, if you think he only has a reasonable chance to be Parsons... that's quite a difference, no?
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Obviously it'd be great if he turns into another Giannis, but at 7 -- in a draft that doesn't have star power, getting a Chandler Parsons would be a success. Moreover, as far as how he plays -- which is what the context of your response seemed to be addressing -- he's 18 with a ton of natural athleticism, his game could still be shaped in any number of different ways depending on coaching, scheme, physical and mental development, etc.

All I'm saying is I wouldn't get too hung up on specific player levels or styles with a raw 18 year old. Knecht? Sure.
 
illmatic99 said:
push for the playoffs.... so let's trade our best defensive player for a guy who was unplayable in the playoffs.

that makes sense.
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They said push FOR the playoffs - they never said anything about doing something IN the playoffs.
 
andalusian said:
The Ringer's latest big board has Sarr falling to 7th (or is it how they rate the prospects? Can't tell).

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.149042166.1335348249.1718986233-1168899683.1712160939

I have not seen any of these guys, I personally like that big board because they give you idea based on resemblance to NBA players, how accurate it is, hard to tell, but some of these guys that people are salivating about are not that enticing. They describe Salaun, for example, as shade of Chandler Parsons, not something I would be excited about... Risacher is described as shades of Tobias Harris, Harrison (effin) Barnes - another prospect that does not make me that excited...

Of course, all these comparisons could be nonsense, but given that I have no other reference, the only ones that seem interesting at the top are Sarr, Buzellis, Castle, Sheppard and Carter
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Was excited for the thought of Sarr at #7 until I saw Risacher is right after him at #8!

I'd try and find a way to get #8 and snatch up both. Rupert could lead the trio on a team France recruit of Wemby in 3 years which is only returning the favor for LMA.
 
blazedanugz said:
i can’t believe they would actually put this out there..do they not care about their credibility? Sarr is not getting past Washington at #2.

what a joke
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Hard to know especially in a draft like this. Paul Pierce and Caron Butler were both thought of going top3 then slid to #10.
 
blazerkor said:
If it's not a smokescreen and we trade up to draft a dude that plays a quickly disappearing brand of basketball at the NBA level, I'll be very disappointed.
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If he's there at 7 and we take him.... fine... whatever. Not gonna love it but it's fine.

But if we trade up to get him, I'm gonna be annoyed.
 
BigGameDamian said:
We aren’t getting squat back for Brogdon.
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Why is that??? Dude was sixth man of the year one season ago and played really well when we wanted him to for us. I understand the notion that Robert Williams will have to play himself back into having value but Malcolm's should be around that of a decent starter on any team... or sixth man of the year type which almost always means a guy playing starter's minutes.
 
BigGameDamian said:
We aren’t getting squat back for Brogdon.
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Define squat. The guy is on an ending contract, 1 year removed from being the 6moy. I find it hard to believe that a playoff team, or a team who thinks they could be a playoff team would not give up something for a PG who has size, can defend, and can score.

a late 1st seems reasonable. Maybe we have to wait for a team who is desperate because of an injury.
 
BigGameDamian said:
We aren’t getting squat back for Brogdon.
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Well then keep him until the deadline and see if we can at least get our pick back from Chicago or more. If not then keep him and consider giving him a new contract next summer. Dude was our most effective player on the court last year. I'm all for getting a pick back but if he has "squat" as value then just keep him here he's probably the best PG we've had since Andre Miller (and Dame obviously). Brogdon might even be a bit better than Miller.

We should just shop all our vets; Brogdon/Grant/Ayton/Simons/Thybulle/Timelord... and trade any that have a good return right now. Any that don't have a trade market are fine to keep next year, their all good guys to have on the team.
 
blazerkor said:
Why is that??? Dude was sixth man of the year one season ago and played really well when we wanted him to for us. I understand the notion that Robert Williams will have to play himself back into having value but Malcolm's should be around that of a decent starter on any team... or sixth man of the year type which almost always means a guy playing starter's minutes.
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The league knows he's very effective - only hiccup I could see with Brogdon is if he has a medical thing. Sounds like he is going to play in the Olympics so if he looks good there it might help.
 
Kano John said:
I am - can you explain to me please.
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A mock is an estimate of what pick each team will make.

A big board is a pure ranking of players - has nothing to do with what team is in what draft spot or team position need, etc.

An extreme example is lets say the 4 best ranked players are all centers - they would be 1-4 on the big board. But lets say all teams in the top7 don't want centers - the centers would be mocked at picks 8,9,10,11
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
A mock is an estimate of what pick each team will make.

A big board is a pure ranking of players - has nothing to do with what team is in what draft spot or team position need, etc.

An extreme example is lets say the 4 best ranked players are all centers - they would be 1-4 on the big board. But lets say all teams in the top7 don't want centers - the centers would be mocked at picks 8,9,10,11
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I get it - some teams will draft bpa but others according to need. It seems like some of the differences that I'm seeing are pretty extreme. Like Sar drafting at 1 or 2 but down to 7 on the big board.
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
The league knows he's very effective - only hiccup I could see with Brogdon is if he has a medical thing. Sounds like he is going to play in the Olympics so if he looks good there it might help.
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He's had injuries in the past but we babied every injury this season and made up a bunch of them in the name of tanking. I think teams know that Malcolm was never severely injured this last season. He was just the most effective two way player on a team that didn't want to be effective.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Hard to know especially in a draft like this. Paul Pierce and Caron Butler were both thought of going top3 then slid to #10.
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disagree
Sarr is by far the best player as of now and has the best projection.
Handles the ball and as fluid as any 7 footer ever.
There is nobody else in the draft like that
 
andalusian said:
The Ringer's latest big board has Sarr falling to 7th (or is it how they rate the prospects? Can't tell).

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.149042166.1335348249.1718986233-1168899683.1712160939

I have not seen any of these guys, I personally like that big board because they give you idea based on resemblance to NBA players, how accurate it is, hard to tell, but some of these guys that people are salivating about are not that enticing. They describe Salaun, for example, as shade of Chandler Parsons, not something I would be excited about... Risacher is described as shades of Tobias Harris, Harrison (effin) Barnes - another prospect that does not make me that excited...

Of course, all these comparisons could be nonsense, but given that I have no other reference, the only ones that seem interesting at the top are Sarr, Buzellis, Castle, Sheppard and Carter
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The link is big board which is different from his mock draft posted 4 days earlier, in his mock, he got us clingan at 7
 
What do people think is most likely to happen:

  • Cody Williams puts on 30 lbs of muscle / develops an outside shot
  • Salaun develops a feel for the game and is more than just a physical specimen.
  • Ron Holland develops an outside shot.
  • Dalton Knecht becomes a solid defender.
  • Buzelis develops a consistent outside shot.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What do people think is most likely to happen:

  • Cody Williams puts on 30 lbs of muscle / develops an outside shot
  • Salaun develops a feel for the game and is more than just a physical specimen.
  • Ron Holland develops an outside shot.
  • Dalton Knecht becomes a solid defender.
  • Buzelis develops a consistent outside shot.
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Cody.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What do people think is most likely to happen:

  • Cody Williams puts on 30 lbs of muscle / develops an outside shot
  • Salaun develops a feel for the game and is more than just a physical specimen.
  • Ron Holland develops an outside shot.
  • Dalton Knecht becomes a solid defender.
  • Buzelis develops a consistent outside shot.
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To me it would be Buzelis. I know a lot of people hate him, but I would take the bet on him figuring out his three over the others. He did shoot better from three in high school, proving that he does have the ability to find some range. His shot also does not look "broken." His form is decent. I bet he figures it out eventually.
 
AmirIcon said:
Cody.
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Agreed. But weight is not Cody's biggest issue.

It's how passive he is when playing. He's Grant 2.0
He'll score a lot of points, but will rarely make the winning plays.

He still may end up as the best player of this group, but Id rather bet on Holland developing a shot over Cody changing his game personality.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Agreed. But weight is not Cody's biggest issue.

It's how passive he is when playing. He's Grant 2.0
He'll score a lot of points, but will rarely make the winning plays.

He still may end up as the best player of this group, but Id rather bet on Holland developing a shot over Cody changing his game personality.
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I'm fine with him deferring. Next draft is the one where you get your guy. I'm also hoping that Scoot could be our main guy as well. Or Shae.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Agreed. But weight is not Cody's biggest issue.

It's how passive he is when playing. He's Grant 2.0
He'll score a lot of points, but will rarely make the winning plays.

He still may end up as the best player of this group, but Id rather bet on Holland developing a shot over Cody changing his game personality.
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Freshman deferring to two seniors and playing injured. Context matters. There's a reason why Holland seems to be slipping even past the lottery.
 
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