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TBpup said:
Who is arguing in favor and should be advocating for him at #7?



Sure, Clingan, the biggest, most highly rated center 'held' him to 37 points on 60% shooting. Okay....
And I'm not discounting age. He played who was put in front of him. Clingan was on the highest ranked program in the league with multiple Draft picks around him. It was what it was, nothing more, nothing less.
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Considering if pretty much any other team played him 1:1 straight up he would’ve shot 80%+ maybe even 90%, it’s not a bad performance for Clingan. There is a reason pretty much every talking head and analyst after the game said clingan played well. One of the only players in the nation that could play him straight up AND hold him below his shooting avg.

but that’s also why I said Edey could be a force in the NBA. Pretty impressive that shooting 60% was considered a good defensive performance.
 
Edey also collects fouls like Pokémon cards. I’d be interested to see how he does in the league

amazes me people will take a chance on Duncan Robinson, who couldn’t guard a cow, but edey “no way”
 
wizenheimer said:
bullshit

my "casual dismissal" of Edey was only after a poster wondered why Edey wasn't getting the respect a guard would get who averaged 25 points and 8 assists while posting a .660 TS%. At the same time it was suggested if the same standard were somehow applied to Shaq, he'd be a 2nd round pick. My casual dismissal was a direct reply to pretty active hyperbole. Context matters you know

I don't believe I had said anything about Edey before that post
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You have three quotes in one post and then another and then another. It might be the first time you casually dismissed Edey in this thread, but I don't keep track of you so it'd be interesting to see if that's really the first time you casually dismissed Edey on this board.

wizenheimer said:
and I'm not the only one casually dismissing Edey as a lottery prospect. Just about every mock draft is as well.
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I think a number of us have pointed out that we think it might not hold merit. You happen to be the person right now standing up for that thinking. And coming back with "LOL, OK, you guys advocate for drafting Edey at 7" doesn't exactly come off as a guy that wants to have a serious discussion about Edey's value in this draft nor is it the kind of post someone who isn't "casually dismissing" someone would make.
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL...ok then.

you guys arguing in favor of Edey should be advocating for Edey at #7 then.
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You don't really think that's a logical response, do you?

If I would be willing to buy a car for $1000 and you would not, a reasonably response on your part would not be, "Then you should be willing to buy it at $5000."

It makes no sense if you're being intellectually honest.
 
beast crnjo said:
Who is the last player to dominate in the post like Edey, in college or in the NBA?
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My half-serious response would be the Gonzaga senior that started ahead of Zach Collins. I can't remember his name, because...he was irrelevant as soon has he was done beasting on younger, lighter players. IMO, Edey's future productivity should be estimated based on his first two years of NCAA play, not his last two. That puts him on more even [comparison] footing with the guys he'll have to match up with at the next level.
 
handiman said:
My half-serious response would be the Gonzaga senior that started ahead of Zach Collins. I can't remember his name, because...he was irrelevant as soon has he was done beasting on younger, lighter players. IMO, Edey's future productivity should be estimated based on his first two years of NCAA play, not his last two. That puts him on more even [comparison] footing with the guys he'll have to match up with at the next level.
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Karnowski was BEAST mode in college. But like Edey he was a slow, plodding Center. Feet in concrete shackles type slow. Like Edey he would’ve been a nightmarish mismatch against stretch bigs the NBA
 
wizenheimer said:
And on video, Clingan looks a lot more mobile than Edey, or at least a lot more reactive
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Im going to push back on this.
Clingan is NOT more mobile than Edey. On the game film I watched, Id say Edey is more mobile.

Clingan has better instincts for passing and blocking shots... but those are the only advantages Clingan has over Edey.


Drop-coverage C's aren't exactly obsolete, but they have become an anachronism. It's too easy for opponents to game them off the floor. With a rare exception or two, those traditional C's have become situational part-timers logging 20-25 minutes a game, at best
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This I 100% agree with.

Although both Edey & Clingan produced very well statistically in college... neither one is worthy of a top 10 lotto pick.

Both will be drop coverage C, and will get played off the floor at times.

I think Edey has a viable mid-range shot, & has better health & conditioning.

Id be okay with either at 14.... but Edey is my preference
 
Predator said:
Edey also collects fouls like Pokémon cards. I’d be interested to see how he does in the league

amazes me people will take a chance on Duncan Robinson, who couldn’t guard a cow, but edey “no way”
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In college he collects fouls because being guarded by 6’8” centers on a regular basis.

Duncan Robinson has a skill that translates super well to today’s NBA. He can get hot and be lights out from 3
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Im going to push back on this.
Clingan is NOT more mobile than Edey. On the game film I watched, Id say Edey is more mobile.

Clingan has better instincts for passing and blocking shots... but those are the only advantages Clingan has over Edey.



This I 100% agree with.

Although both Edey & Clingan produced very well statistically in college... neither one is worthy of a top 10 lotto pick.

Both will be drop coverage C, and will get played off the floor at times.

I think Edey has a viable mid-range shot, & has better health & conditioning.

Id be okay with either at 14.... but Edey is my preference
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I want nothing to do with either. If we draft a Center I’d rather it be Ware. Someone with versatility to actually guard outside of the paint.

These slow plodding centers are totally not what we need. It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp.
 
If I were to bet on it I think we’re taking Cody Williams. Lots of upside, good size and versatility and there’s the Colorado connection.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Im going to push back on this.
Clingan is NOT more mobile than Edey. On the game film I watched, Id say Edey is more mobile.

Clingan has better instincts for passing and blocking shots... but those are the only advantages Clingan has over Edey.
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that's fair. I think I was trying to get at that when I said Clingan was more reactive.

CJ_is_Gone said:
This I 100% agree with.

Although both Edey & Clingan produced very well statistically in college... neither one is worthy of a top 10 lotto pick.

Both will be drop coverage C, and will get played off the floor at times.

I think Edey has a viable mid-range shot, & has better health & conditioning.

Id be okay with either at 14.... but Edey is my preference
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I don't have much problem with Edey at 14. I'd be much happier with Edey at 14 than Clingan at 7

I think Portland has to swing for the fences with a 7th pick; and that's not a drop-cover C
 
MickZagger said:
If I were to bet on it I think we’re taking Cody Williams. Lots of upside, good size and versatility and there’s the Colorado connection.
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Really wish he weren't such a shitty rebounder. That's my main beef with Jerami. I'd rather have Tristan da Silva if we're forced to have a Colorado player. After all the complaints about Kris Murray I didn't think we'd be clamoring to draft the worse brother again.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Really wish he weren't such a shitty rebounder. That's my main beef with Jerami. I'd rather have Tristan da Silva if we're forced to have a Colorado player. After all the complaints about Kris Murray I didn't think we'd be clamoring to draft the worse brother again.
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I think he can becometh of a good rebounder. And Cody Williams very well could become better than his brother. He’s projected at a higher draft slot
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Really wish he weren't such a shitty rebounder. That's my main beef with Jerami. I'd rather have Tristan da Silva if we're forced to have a Colorado player. After all the complaints about Kris Murray I didn't think we'd be clamoring to draft the worse brother again.
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Robin Lopez, Seth Curry, Harvey Grant... Have we ever had the better brother? I don't think CJ counts, as his brother played in China or whatever.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Clingan has better instincts for passing and blocking shots... but those are the only advantages Clingan has over Edey.
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Blocking shots is THE MOST important job of a center, and Clingan is not just better than Edey, he's ELITE at it. Meanwhile, being a great low post player just isn't valuable in today's NBA unless you're also elite at everything else (Jokic).
 

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Rastapopoulos said:
Blocking shots is THE MOST important job of a center, and Clingan is not just better than Edey, he's ELITE at it. Meanwhile, being a great low post player just isn't valuable in today's NBA unless you're also elite at everything else (Jokic).
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He's not elate at it.

Walker Kessler was elite at blocking shots in college.

Clingan is slightly above average. We are talking about a Steven Adams level impact player here.... Maybe a Zubac level. Not someone who should be drafted in the top 10.
 
Any of you watch the Sprague and Marang podcast where their resident blowhard claims that the Blazers have had 2 closed door workouts? Wonder who came in? Also referenced that Clingan hadn’t been in yet, claimed ESPN had the date wrong…

Fell asleep at some point so didn’t hear the rest of what was covered if anything.
 
handiman said:
Robin Lopez, Seth Curry, Harvey Grant... Have we ever had the better brother? I don't think CJ counts, as his brother played in China or whatever.
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Jim vs. John Paxson. Blazers for the win!
 
sidebar,

it's shocking to me how people still mistake the actual name of the franchise we all support here.

it's Trail Blazers. Two words.
 
Marang said he knows of two private workouts that blazers held of draft prospects recently and Clingan is still to come
 
wizenheimer said:
bullshit

my "casual dismissal" of Edey was only after a poster wondered why Edey wasn't getting the respect a guard would get who averaged 25 points and 8 assists while posting a .660 TS%. At the same time it was suggested if the same standard were somehow applied to Shaq, he'd be a 2nd round pick. My casual dismissal was a direct reply to pretty active hyperbole. Context matters you know

I don't believe I had said anything about Edey before that post

and I'm not the only one casually dismissing Edey as a lottery prospect. Just about every mock draft is as well.
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What was hyperbole? Edey actually averaged 25 points on 66 TS%. I just exchanged rebounds for assists since he's a center (and had what would have been an NBA leading rebound %). I then flipped interior and perimeter defense.

And you totally dismiss what he brings just because he's a not a guard (whom you admitted would be a very good prospect with those numbers), so you really proved my point.

If you dismiss a big man just because he won't jump out and guard 3s, you'd have to dismiss a hell of a lot of good players in nba history. I just don't get the fixation on the idea that every big man has to be able to jump out and defend mid range 2s and 3s, and therefore it doesn't matter what else they bring. It's a ridiculous mindset.
 
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handiman said:
My half-serious response would be the Gonzaga senior that started ahead of Zach Collins. I can't remember his name, because...he was irrelevant as soon has he was done beasting on younger, lighter players. IMO, Edey's future productivity should be estimated based on his first two years of NCAA play, not his last two. That puts him on more even [comparison] footing with the guys he'll have to match up with at the next level.
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A guy who averaged 10 and 5? Do you have a full-serious response?
 
illmatic99 said:
sidebar,

it's shocking to me how people still mistake the actual name of the franchise we all support here.

it's Trail Blazers. Two words.
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Seriously nobody ever says Trail in front of Blazers unless they are mocking the team and add “Fucking” in front.
In this town it’s the “Blazers”
 
PCmor7 said:
Why didn't they? And, if that's not a crucial omission to your point, why is it only being held against Edey but wasn't held against, say, Holmgren, who was a high-major player competing in a mid-major conference?
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Chet put up 14/10 compared to Edey 8/4.

Or are you comparing a 22 year old Edey to an 18 year old Chet?
 
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