With the 7th pick in the 2024 NBA Draft, The Portland Trailblazers select. . .

[handiman]

A guy who averaged 10 and 5? Do you have a full-serious response?

12 and 6 senior year in only 23 minutes a game, shooting 59%. He was pretty dominant for his usage level.

 

[wizenheimer]

What was hyperbole? Edey actually averaged 25 points on 66 TS%. I just exchanged rebounds for assists since he's a center (and had what would have been an NBA leading rebound %). I then flipped interior and perimeter defense.

And you totally dismiss what he brings just because he's a not a guard (whom you admitted would be a very good prospect with those numbers), so you really proved my point.

ok...the context of my 'objections' for Edey, in this thread, is this:



I was in a thread discussing who the Blazers should take with the 7th pick...and no matter how much you advocate for him I won't agree he'd be worth the 7th pick; and I explained why I held that view

I also said this:

I don't have much problem with Edey at 14. I'd be much happier with Edey at 14 than Clingan at 7

I think Portland has to swing for the fences with a 7th pick; and that's not a drop-cover C

for sure, I'd much prefer Portland swung for the fences with both picks and took their swings at wings, not drop-coverage C's; undersized SG's that can't defend wings (or anybody else); or smallish PG's

If you dismiss a big man just because he won't jump out and guard 3s, you'd have to dismiss a hell of a lot of good players in nba history. I just don't get the fixation on the idea that every big man has to be able to jump out and defend mid range 2s and 3s, and therefore it doesn't matter what else they bring. It's a ridiculous mindset.

as I just explained, I wasn't dismissing him entirely; mainly just dismissing him as a worthy 7th pick

but wait a minute...you're now excusing a C who can't defend mid-range shots? What are mid-range shots? I'd define them as 10-18 feet. So yeah, if a C is incapable of defending shots in that range...forget him

 

[Hoopguru]

Seriously nobody ever says Trail in front of Blazers unless they are mocking the team and add “Fucking” in front.
In this town it’s the “Blazers”

We havent blazed any trails of late, thats for sure.

 

[Hoopguru]

I hereby proclaim with as many youngsters, we shall be known as the Trail Guppies!

 

[beast blazer]

12 and 6 senior year in only 23 minutes a game, shooting 59%. He was pretty dominant for his usage level.

If we normalize their stats to amount per 40:

Edey:
31.5 pts, 15 boards, 2.7 blocks 66% TS

Karnowski:
21/10/1.6 on 59%.

Also Edey was the focal point of opposig defenses, and is much bigger. A 9'7 standing reachin 7'11 wingspan..

Karnowski's wingspan is almost a full foot shorter at 7'0, and his standing reach is 7 inches less.

They are simply not in the same tier.

 

[Natebishop3]

Seriously nobody ever says Trail in front of Blazers unless they are mocking the team and add “Fucking” in front.
In this town it’s the “Blazers”

How you gonna do the Zers like that?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I want nothing to do with either. If we draft a Center I’d rather it be Ware. Someone with versatility to actually guard outside of the paint.

These slow plodding centers are totally not what we need. It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp.

Clingan and Edey are intriging options for a backup center. Seem to have a very high likelhood of having some value there. But there is a very low ceiling on their value as a part time backup. Basically they are a very high percentage single. The Blazers need to at least swing for doubles. If we had a starting 5 set and need the last role players to contend then I'd be interested in them but we need to take swings at getting starters first.

 

[beast blazer]

but wait a minute...you're now excusing a C who can't defend mid-range shots? What are mid-range shots? I'd define them as 10-18 feet. So yeah, if a C is incapable of defending shots in that range...forget him

Big whoop, that's the least efficient shot in basketball. Scoring inside is still the most efficient shot in basketball, and even more so, when you consider how it leads to more FT attempts.

Having a big man that can dominate in the paint is such an obvious boon. It's bizzaare to me that some people seem to be more concerned about players getting mid range looks than they are about a center that can dominate inside.
https://news.syr.edu/blog/2024/02/09/deflation-study-shows-nba-3-point-shot-has-lost-its-value/

 

[Rastapopoulos]

We havent blazed any trails of late, thats for sure.

I dunno - getting blown out by 60+ twice in one season had never been done before

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Big whoop, that's the least efficient shot in basketball. Scoring inside is still the most efficient shot in basketball, and even more so, when you consider how it leads to more FT attempts.

Having a big man that can dominate in the paint is such an obvious boon. It's bizzaare to me that some people seem to be more concerned about players getting mid range looks than they are about a center that can dominate inside.
https://news.syr.edu/blog/2024/02/09/deflation-study-shows-nba-3-point-shot-has-lost-its-value/

 

[wizenheimer]

Big whoop, that's the least efficient shot in basketball. Scoring inside is still the most efficient shot in basketball, and even more so, when you consider how it leads to more FT attempts.

Having a big man that can dominate in the paint is such an obvious boon. It's bizzaare to me that some people seem to be more concerned about players getting mid range looks than they are about a center that can dominate inside.
https://news.syr.edu/blog/2024/02/09/deflation-study-shows-nba-3-point-shot-has-lost-its-value/

so you want the Blazers to draft Edey at 7

no thanks

 

[beast blazer]

BTW, does someone have a video highlight that shows how Edey was so absolutly terrible on defense that he was unplayable?

 

[beast blazer]

so you want the Blazers to draft Edey at 7

no thanks

I'd be excited if we took Zach. Prospects like him doing come around very often. I think he's going to make a lot of people look stupid for passing on him..

 

[inconceivable]

I'd be excited if we took Zach. Prospects like him doing come around very often. I think he's going to make a lot of people look stupid for passing on him..

This must be a joke

 

[Hoopguru]

I dunno - getting blown out by 60+ twice in one season had never been done before

good point but I view that more like not knowing how to even pick up a trail or digging a hole in the ground.

 

[Predator]

In college he collects fouls because being guarded by 6’8” centers on a regular basis.

Duncan Robinson has a skill that translates super well to today’s NBA. He can get hot and be lights out from 3

Pretty sure Edey has a skill that will translate. He is an elite offensive player. He will DOMINATE offensively in the NBA. His “skill” is also more reliable on a game to game basis.

And surprise surprise… most centers in the NBA are much smaller than Edey.

But, I acknowledge he is gonna be attacked in the PnR pretty much every time he is on the court

 

[MickZagger]

Pretty sure Edey has a skill that will translate. He is an elite offensive player. He will DOMINATE offensively in the NBA. His “skill” is also more reliable on a game to game basis.

And surprise surprise… most centers in the NBA are much smaller than Edey.

But, I acknowledge he is gonna be attacked in the PnR pretty much every time he is on the court

So many NBA players were absolutely dominate in college and it doesn’t translate to the NBA. Just look up the last 30 or so college player of the year award winners.

Then tell me how many of them had fruitful NBA careers.

 

[blazerkor]

I'd be excited if we took Zach. Prospects like him doing come around very often. I think he's going to make a lot of people look stupid for passing on him..

I think just about every team in the league could put a lineup on the court that would make him unplayable on defense and I don't think the dominance he showed in college on offense translates to the NBA in a way that could make up for his defensive liabilities against lineups with five shooters. You might be right and he could be such a weapon on offense and in the defensive paint that he dominates... it's just not a gamble I see anyone taking in the top 10.

I actually think the Heat could take him at 15 and he might look really good as a change up pitch to Bam... even playing in lineups with Bam at times.

 

[Hoopguru]

So many NBA players were absolutely dominate in college and it doesn’t translate to the NBA. Just look up the last 30 or so college player of the year award winners.

Then tell me how many of them had fruitful NBA careers.

Can you say Walter Berry.....

 

[beast blazer]

I think just about every team in the league could put a lineup on the court that would make him unplayable on defense and I don't think the dominance he showed in college on offense translates to the NBA in a way that could make up for his defensive liabilities against lineups with five shooters. You might be right and he could be such a weapon on offense and in the defensive paint that he dominates... it's just not a gamble I see anyone taking in the top 10.

I actually think the Heat could take him at 15 and he might look really good as a change up pitch to Bam... even playing in lineups with Bam at times.

That's why Jokic fell to the 2nd round. How were the nuggets ever able to win a championship without a gazzel at center that can guard the perimeter?

 

[blazerkor]

So many NBA players were absolutely dominate in college and it doesn’t translate to the NBA. Just look up the last 30 or so college player of the year award winners.

Then tell me how many of them had fruitful NBA careers.

In the one and done era I think we should be looking at guys like Edey who won the Naismith in their senior year. The last guy to be a starting level player was Buddy Hield in 2016 and before that it was JJ Redick in 2006 and those are the only guys who have consistently started in the Association after winning the Naismith as seniors since one and done started in 2005.

Other seniors to win the Naismith during the one and done era: Luka Garza, Frank Mason, Doug McDermott and Jimmer Fredette.

 

[MickZagger]

In the one and done era I think we should be looking at guys like Edey who won the Naismith in their senior year. The last guy to be a starting level player was Buddy Hield in 2016 and before that it was JJ Redick in 2006 and those are the only guys who have consistently started in the Association after winning the Naismith as seniors since one and done started in 2005.

Other seniors to win the Naismith during the one and done era: Luka Garza, Frank Mason, Doug McDermott and Jimmer Fredette.

All guys who were dominant in college but fringe NBA players.

There’s many arguments to be made for a player being a great NBA prospect.

But being a 7’4 college Center and dominating against primarily 6’8” Centers in college isn’t one of them

 

[blazerkor]

That's why Jokic fell to the 2nd round. How were the nuggets ever able to win a championship without a gazzel at center that can guard the perimeter?

Yeeeeeah... ummm... this is a little embarrassing. Joker fell because he was a chubby unknown. If you think Edey who has been playing for Purdue for four seasons will shock NBA scouts the way Joker and Giannis did as international men of mystery, I don't know what to tell you. Huge, huge difference in the amount of scouting knowledge between Edey now and Joker when he was drafted.

 

[beast blazer]

All guys who were dominant in college but fringe NBA players.

There’s many arguments to be made for a player being a great NBA prospect.

But being a 7’4 college Center and dominating against primarily 6’8” Centers in college isn’t one of them

NBA and NCAA basketball players have the exact same average height.

 

[MickZagger]

NBA and NCAA basketball players have the exact same average height.

Wut?

 

[Boomchakalaka2]

I’d package up our seconds and add sweetener to move up if Edey slips late into the first round. Ayton, Edey and Reath sounds good to me.

 

[ant]

NBA and NCAA basketball players have the exact same average height.

lol I’m pretty sure there are at least a couple inches difference in avg height (I don’t trust my memory, but I thought it was like 6’4” vs 6’7”)

 

[beast blazer]

Wut?

Average height of NBA player is 6'6.5 (78.5 inches)
https://www.nba.com/news/nba-roster-survey-facts-to-know-for-the-2023-24-season

Compare that to this listening of the average height of every player in the NCAA tournament. There isn't much difference. People act like Edey is going up against midgets. The average center in the NBA is 6'10, so he's going to have quite a height advantage in the NBA too.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketbal...4/duke-has-tallest-team-years-ncaa-tournament

 

[wizenheimer]

lol I’m pretty sure there are at least a couple inches difference in avg height (I don’t trust my memory, but I thought it was like 6’4” vs 6’7”)

the gap isn't that big, it appears to be about 6'4.75 (NCAA) vs 6'6.25-6'6.5 (NBA). I'd guess there is a bit bigger gap for C's but I'm not positive

but that misses the point in a big way. A big majority of NCAA C's don't have the talent to make an NBA roster. Every NBA C has the talent to make an NBA roster. And the standards for rotational talent are even higher

a C like Edey will be facing significantly better C's in the NBA, on average, in terms of size, mobility, and skills, than he ever did at Purdue

 

[beast blazer]

the gap isn't that big, it appears to be about 6'4.75 (NCAA) vs 6'6.25-6'6.5 (NBA). I'd guess there is a bit bigger gap for C's but I'm not positive

but that misses the point in a big way. A big majority of NCAA C's don't have the talent to make an NBA roster. Every NBA C has the talent to make an NBA roster. And the standards for rotational talent are even higher

a C like Edey will be facing significantly better C's in the NBA, on average, in terms of size, mobility, and skills, than he ever did at Purdue

That goes without saying, the competition is much better in the NBA at every position. The same would be true if he were a 6'6 guard averaging 25ppg on 66 TS%. Another poster was saying Edey's inside scoring ability was mostly a product of how much taller he is than other players. Which is total nonsense. A lot of players as tall or taller than Edey weren't able to do what he did.