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Your confused to why Cronin MIGHT be on the hotseat -- hmm -- I do not have limitless time so I will just refute your statement on how he did on the Dame deal

I will concede he did OK on the first part of it but then he decided to do nothing else so far and now there is a solid chance we might only get a 2nd for each of Williams and Brogs cause they are broken down. This is why this summer is very important not just for the team but for Cronin cause IF he cannot finish what he started last summer then it was a mild cluster fuck and that is the truth. Time is ticking for Cronin and for the Blazers sake I hope he can turn chicken shit into some tasty chicken salad or this team could be in a hole for awhile -- LOL
 
Strenuus said:
Does no one else just listen to nothing about the draft and just wait until draft day? None of this matters when reality will tell us anyway.
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The jockeying and misnfo at the top is always so stupid. Remember the final Miller/Scoot workout with MJ in the gym last year?

lol
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Your confused to why Cronin MIGHT be on the hotseat -- hmm -- I do not have limitless time so I will just refute your statement on how he did on the Dame deal

I will concede he did OK on the first part of it but then he decided to do nothing else so far and now there is a solid chance we might only get a 2nd for each of Williams and Brogs cause they are broken down. This is why this summer is very important not just for the team but for Cronin cause IF he cannot finish what he started last summer then it was a mild cluster fuck and that is the truth. Time is ticking for Cronin and for the Blazers sake I hope he can turn chicken shit into some tasty chicken salad or this team could be in a hole for awhile -- LOL
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Guarantee they get more than a 2nd for Brogdon. Williams was always a risk but he’s still young and potentially be a very good bench player in playoffs obviously only if he stayed healthy.


We’ll have to agree to disagree I like the trades last year and IMO Dame was traded at the perfect time. Getting Bucks unprotected pick could be gold by the time 2028 pick comes around. I think they tear that team down by then and potentially trade Gianis before 2028.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
More on Williams
Western Conference executive No. 2: Maybe my glasses may be a little bit colored, because I’ve seen him so much. I’ve seen him in high school, AAU, at Colorado. He’s gotten better and better and better, and his body has filled out. And he’s shown more in his game at every step. No question this kid, I see him as a starter. In 16 to 24 months, I think he will be a full-time starter. Where are guys that are close to 6-9, that can (be) unselfish, see it, can deliver it, can handle it, can score it, and can defend now anywhere out on the floor? What am I missing here? And he’s a phenomenal, phenomenal human being. You’re preaching to the choir on this one, with him. You’ll note two or three instances in his games where you’re like, ‘I see that in an NBA game, every night, what he just did.’

Western Conference scout No. 2: He’s very talented. I think he’s one of those kids, just his instincts and his feel, he was one of those guys where, he was born to play basketball. I think the problem is, he’s just not an aggressive, tenacious type of competitor. He doesn’t have a lot of competitive energy, competitive juice. That’s why, when people see him, they’re like, ‘Ah, his size and length is intriguing, he can do so many different things.’ But from a competitive standpoint, he’s kind of lacking a little bit in that area. But he’s very talented. He is. There’s no question about that. And he’s still very young. So I’m not one to say I hate him. I do like his talent. I just wish he gave you a little more as far as the competitive motor and the competitive energy.

College assistant coach No. 1 (his team played Colorado): The talent is there, but he doesn’t display it enough. He’s not aggressive, like really just take over a game and be dominant. The size and the potential is there. He knows how to play. He reminds me of (Denver’s) Peyton Watson, but Watson didn’t really know how to play at the time. This kid knows how to play. He’s young, and he’s lanky. He’s still growing. You look at that stuff and it’s all good. But he needs to get in the weight room and get stronger. If you’ve got a team that’s willing to wait for him, he’s a good pick. If you’re trying to win … it’s kind of like (former Kentucky forward) Brandon Boston. I don’t know what his future is.
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Yellow flag after yellow flag here.
 
Strenuus said:
Does no one else just listen to nothing about the draft and just wait until draft day? None of this matters when reality will tell us anyway.
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Yes. I listen to a few people I know talk here and there but you won't get me to click on a pod cast or a mock draft until well after the draft has taken place. I do like to look at what was projected after the fact and see what was right and wrong.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Yellow flag after yellow flag here.
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As I've said: Nic Batum. Nic just sorta let the came come to him and picked his spots, but he was a really solid player.

And not "trying to dominate" is under-rated. It can lead to really poor offensive efficiency.
 
beast crnjo said:
We don't know if that's "bullshit" yet. Shaedon regressed last year.
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Nonsense.

He was most definitely not regressing.

He just slowed down and wore out after chauncey ran him into the ground. He had a stretch of playing 41, 42, 40, 41, 46, 42 minutes consecutively in December. All games with super high usage while being the primary focus of every defense.

But you seem to be set on this baseless notion so I don't see you caring about it.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Yellow flag after yellow flag here.
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There will always be yellow flags before the draft for 95% of the players. But there isn't always such positive comments

Western Conference executive No. 2: Maybe my glasses may be a little bit colored, because I’ve seen him so much. I’ve seen him in high school, AAU, at Colorado. He’s gotten better and better and better, and his body has filled out. And he’s shown more in his game at every step. No question this kid, I see him as a starter. In 16 to 24 months, I think he will be a full-time starter. Where are guys that are close to 6-9, that can (be) unselfish, see it, can deliver it, can handle it, can score it, and can defend now anywhere out on the floor? What am I missing here? And he’s a phenomenal, phenomenal human being. You’re preaching to the choir on this one, with him. You’ll note two or three instances in his games where you’re like, ‘I see that in an NBA game, every night, what he just did.’
 
illmatic99 said:
Nonsense.

He was most definitely not regressing.

He just slowed down and wore out after chauncey ran him into the ground. He had a stretch of playing 41, 42, 40, 41, 46, 42 minutes consecutively in December. All games with super high usage.

But you seem to be set on this baseless notion so I don't see you caring about thod.
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He only averaged 33 minutes per game. He should be able to handle that. But his shooting percentages fell from 56/35 to 46/33, that is quite a drop off in efficiency. That puts him in the bottom 20th percentile.

The Blazers had the worst TS% in the league last year as a team and his TS% was even worse than the teams overall. And he's not exactly making up for it with defense is he?

He sucked last year. We've seen he clearly has a lot of talent and might become very good, but he hasn't proven that yet.
 
beast crnjo said:
He only averaged 33 minutes per game. He should be able to handle that. But his shooting percentages fell from 56/35 to 46/33, that is quite a drop off in efficiency. That puts him in the bottom 20th percentile.

The Blazers had the worst TS% in the league last year as a team and his TS% was even worse than the teams overall. And he's not exactly making up for it with defense is he?

He sucked last year.
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Efficiency drops when teams focus on one dude. What a revelation. Amazing analysis.
 
illmatic99 said:
Efficiency drops when teams focus on one dude. What a revelation. Amazing analysis.
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That's rather silly a cop out. Shaedon was somehow facing tougher defense than the rest of the league?

Also you just pulled the idea that teams were "focusing on him" out of your arse. Shaedon was just missing a lot of shots.
 
beast crnjo said:
That's rather silly a cop out. Shaedon was somehow facing tougher defense than the rest of the league?

Also you just pulled the idea that teams were "focusing on him" out of your arse. Shaedon was just missing a lot of shots.
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No. I watched the games. His uptick in minutes in November coincided with Ants absence.
 
Rasta - thanks for showing this cause this was interesting and I am a little surprised but in some ways not so much and this makes me want to go look at those players and look at this and compare so might give my thoughts on that too


Minutes later --

I was going to do a breakdown myself but got long so decided to keep it brief so here it is. Only 10 picks in the lotto since 04 to 22 ( not including Sharpe and Scoot ) and while there was some obvious placement there also was legit discussion where a player would be put into . I do agree with the Athetic's take and I think the front offices in the past 10 years or so have done a good job in the lotto it's the back half of the first where things get a little more murky. --

One more thing is going over the drafts almost deserves a post on it's own cause the draft did little to help the Blazers in the Dame and CJ era so no matter how it ended ( dame era ) the draft did have a big influence in how it went .
 
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illmatic99 said:
Nonsense.

He was most definitely not regressing.

He just slowed down and wore out after chauncey ran him into the ground. He had a stretch of playing 41, 42, 40, 41, 46, 42 minutes consecutively in December. All games with super high usage while being the primary focus of every defense.

But you seem to be set on this baseless notion so I don't see you caring about it.
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Yeah I don't agree at all that he regressed.

He looked good when he was healthy and when he was adequately rested. He dipped when he was being overplayed and after he got hurt. He also struggled when most of the team was hurt :lol:
 
Sharpe may not have regressed but he didn't really improve last year like many of us hoped. Now it was chaotic with Scoot playing horrible at the start of the year, Ant injured in game1, and Brogdon even missing time, so yeah Sharpe didn't have an optimal environment either. The #1 issue was his injury robbing him of the last 2/3rds of the season which was such a downer for the whole year.

That example of last year is also part of the reason I'm not in a rush to trade away both Ant and Brogdon. If both of them are gone were going to have problems with backups or a missed game just as when Sharpe had that stretches of playing over 40mpgs. If we get the right assets its probably still worth it to do both those trades just for the long term upside. But if one of Ant or Brogdon don't have good trade offers there is a huge benefit to having one stay here and shoulder some of the load with Scoot/Sharpe next year.
 
beast crnjo said:
As I've said: Nic Batum. Nic just sorta let the came come to him and picked his spots, but he was a really solid player.

And not "trying to dominate" is under-rated. It can lead to really poor offensive efficiency.
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I remember Nic looking horrible in summer league and then I think he was starting from Day 1. He's the ultimate complementary piece/Swiss Army knife. He can't carry a team, but he makes it better. If you have good players, he'll find them with passes, make shots when they draw defense, he'll take fouls so they don't have to, he'd bring the ball up court to keep them from being fatigued. Now, is that Williams, or does he possess the self-awareness and BBall IQ to be that? I think that determines his floor.
 
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