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kjironman1 said:
I'm totally sold on Edey at 14 if he is still there. I have absolutely no idea if he will be but if that opportunity comes and they take it I'm fine with it. Honestly I just don't know any player will turn out this year. Take a gamble on a great player? Why not at this point?
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I'd rather take Edey at 7. Then package Brogdon with the 14 to move up if they really want someone else.

Devin Carter and Zach Edey would be a tremendous draft.
 
illmatic99 said:
Coming out of this draft with guys who would very likely project as backups at positions where we already have better prospects....

This would be a very disappointing outcome for me.
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That depends on who is doing the projecting? Ayton is an inconsistent and soft center. Carter is a stud who is a very good defender, shooter, and averaged 9 rebounds per game, he can play SG.
 
beast crnjo said:
That depends on who is doing the projecting? Ayton is an inconsistent and soft center. Carter is a stud who is a very good defender, shooter, and averaged 9 rebounds per game, he can play SG.
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These are my opinions.

Ayton > Clingan
Ayton >>> Edey

Scoot/Simons/Sharpe > Carter

Neither prospect would even get time on the floor. We still dont have definitive ideas of what our existing players will be. Our existing players at the same stage were valued as much much better prospects than Edey/Carter by almost every measure.

Adding backups who will get 15 mpg to this roster with two lottery picks does not seem like a good idea.
 
beast crnjo said:
That depends on who is doing the projecting? Ayton is an inconsistent and soft center. Carter is a stud who is a very good defender, shooter, and averaged 9 rebounds per game, he can play SG.
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The problem is that we need better young forwards. Then there's the fact that if we picked Carter and Edey, I don't trust Cronin to worry about roster construction enough to move Ayton, Malcolm and Ant. If we don't move all three of those guys then these picks are basically useless and we'll see a whole lot of shit like we did last season with our back court. That made no sense then and it would make even less sense now.
 
illmatic99 said:
These are my opinions.

Ayton > Clingan
Ayton >>> Edey

Scoot/Simons/Sharpe > Carter

Neither prospect would even get time on the floor. We still dont have definitive ideas of what our existing players will be. Our existing players at the same stage were valued as much much better prospects than Edey/Carter by almost every measure.

Adding backups who will get 15 mpg to this roster with two lottery picks does not seem like a good idea.
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If Joe doesn't move both Ant and Malcolm where do they even find 15 minutes for Carter?
 
blazerkor said:
The problem is that we need better young forwards. Then there's the fact that if we picked Carter and Edey, I don't trust Cronin to worry about roster construction enough to move Ayton, Malcolm and Ant. If we don't move all three of those guys then these picks are basically useless and we'll see a whole lot of shit like we did last season with our back court. That made no sense then and it would make even less sense now.
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Sometimes you have to take what you can get though. If we can get Williams and Edey, I'd be glad with that too. But Sharpe can play SF. We could deal for a PF...
 
blazerkor said:
If Joe doesn't move both Ant and Malcolm where do they even find 15 minutes for Carter?
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I am assuming Brogdon being moved is a foregone conclusion. But this is semantics.... My point of lack of available PT has to be a consideration.
 
Devin Carter can play SG. He plays bigger than his 6'2 size. He's strong/athletic and a pesky defender. If he's getting 9 rebounds per game who cares that he's 6'2? He's an animal. Hit 37% of his 3s...

He set the combine record for 3/4 court sprint, though some have said something was off about their testing this year.
 
beast crnjo said:
Sometimes you have to take what you can get though. If we can get Williams and Edey, I'd be glad with that too. But Sharpe can play SF. We could deal for a PF...
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Putting Shae at the 3 when the guy is 6'5" is not putting him in a favorable spot to develop and have a fair shot at maximizing his potential.

Not thinking about roster construction has been a problem with this team since LaMarcus left. Not one season since then has our roster made sense and we've all seen where that's gotten us. I just can't believe fans of our team are still advocating playing guys out of position and investing way too much talent capital in two or three positions instead of spreading it more evenly across all five. And when I say that I don't mean we can't have superstars at a couple positions and role players at others, what I'm saying is investing 6 of our eight best roster spots in guards and two of them in redundant centers is par for the fucking course with our front office and I'm really sick of it... and you don't seem to be.
 
illmatic99 said:
I am assuming Brogdon being moved is a foregone conclusion. But this is semantics.... My point of lack of available PT has to be a consideration.
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If we knew what we were getting for Ant and Malcolm a pick like Carter could make sense but if we don't know if we're trading both and exactly what the returns are then yeah there won't be any PT to make that pick make sense.
 
blazerkor said:
Putting Shae at the 3 when the guy is 6'5" is not putting him in a favorable spot to develop and have a fair shot at maximizing his potential.

Not thinking about roster construction has been a problem with this team since LaMarcus left. Not one season since then has our roster made sense and we've all seen where that's gotten us. I just can't believe fans of our team are still advocating playing guys out of position and investing way too much talent capital in two or three positions instead of spreading it more evenly across all five. And when I say that I don't mean we can't have superstars at a couple positions and role players at others, what I'm saying is investing 6 of our eight best roster spots in guards and two of them in redundant centers is par for the fucking course with our front office and I'm really sick of it... and you don't seem to be.
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There's not much diff between 2 and 3 in the NBA. You do have to think about roster construction, and an issue with a smaller SF might be rebounding. But if you have strong rebounders in other areas it won't matter.

And Shaedon is not a bad rebounder, 5 per 36. He's better than Jerami Grant for sure...
 
beast crnjo said:
There's not much diff between 2 and 3 in the NBA. You do have to think about roster construction, and an issue with a smaller SF might be rebounding. But if you have strong rebounders in other areas it won't matter.

And Shaedon is not a bad rebounder, 5 per 36. He's better than Jerami Grant for sure...
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Thanks... heard the exact same bullshit about Norm from people defending a lack of concern for roster construction four years ago. Heard all about there being no difference between the 1 and 2 for the 7 years we played this dumbass game with Dame and CJ. Yeah, sure roster construction doesn't really matter. Just plug good players in wherever and shit should work out right?
 
BigGameDamian said:
Would you be happy if the Blazers ended up taking Knecht and Edey?
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Not me. Those are the two players being discussed in the lotto whose ceilings seem to be exactly where they're at right now. I really want our front office to swing big on upside. I get it if that's not someone else's philosophy but it is most definitely mine and those two picks would spit in the face of taking big risks on high potential prospects.
 
blazerkor said:
Thanks... heard the exact same bullshit about Norm from people defending a lack of concern for roster construction four years ago. Heard all about there being no difference between the 1 and 2 for the 7 years we played this dumbass game with Dame and CJ. Yeah, sure roster construction doesn't really matter. Just plug good players in wherever and shit should work out right?
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Norm doesn't rebound though, and we were pairing him with CJ and Dame.

You have to look at what the players can do, not if they differ by an inch or 2 from some ideal.

Besides, Sharp is average size for a SF anyway.
 
blazerkor said:
Putting Shae at the 3 when the guy is 6'5" is not putting him in a favorable spot to develop and have a fair shot at maximizing his potential.
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For the most part, I agree with you. But doesn't it kind of depend on who Shae is playing next to? Offensively I don't think it matters much between SG and SF.

Defensively it does matter but at the same time, they usually end up switching anyway. So I agree with you that Scoot, Carter, and Shae is not a good idea, but something like Castle, Carter, and Shae could work.
 
beast crnjo said:
Then why don't you make us a list of who you're talking about: Ewing, Moses Malone, McHale?

You used the argument that Edey is irrelevant in the modern age, so I am checking you to see if you really would pass on these hall of fame players just because they have skills that were apparently stopped being relevant in the 90s.

Last time I checked, you still get 2 points when the ball goes through the hoop, no matter how it’s done.
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Let's circle back here to what my original statement was because you keep throwing out Hall of Famer top 75 guys.

Natebishop3 said:
Boy I sure am glad that we found a time machine to go back to the 90s where a big ass center who plays exclusively in the post is still relevant!
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I didn't say generational, game altering, superstar, hall of famer centers. I said big ass centers who exclusively play in the post. SO unless you're saying that Edey is the next Shaq or Yao, my point still stands.

Natebishop3 said:
Are you saying that Zach Edey is either of those players?
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I'm going to go back to this. Are you saying that Edey is a hall of famer caliber player?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
For the most part, I agree with you. But doesn't it kind of depend on who Shae is playing next to? Offensively I don't think it matters much between SG and SF.

Defensively it does matter but at the same time, they usually end up switching anyway. So I agree with you that Scoot, Carter, and Shae is not a good idea, but something like Castle, Carter, and Shae could work.
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Totally. Getting a dude who has a body like Castle that screams defensive versatility would be way different than trying to wedge Carter in with Scoot and Shae. When we talk about Castle as opposed to Carter, then we're thinking about roster construction.
 
illmatic99 said:
Coming out of this draft with guys who would very likely project as backups at positions where we already have better prospects....

This would be a very disappointing outcome for me.
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They get even one solid backup out of this draft they have done well IMO. Two would be awesome!
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm going to go back to this. Are you saying that Edey is a hall of famer caliber player?
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I believe that if Edey were playing 30 years ago, he would have a hall of fame career. I believe that Edey's ability-level now is comparable to Yao's in 2002. I believe that if Yao were in this draft, all the same things being said about Edey would be said about him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Let's circle back here to what my original statement was because you keep throwing out Hall of Famer top 75 guys.



I didn't say generational, game altering, superstar, hall of famer centers. I said big ass centers who exclusively play in the post. SO unless you're saying that Edey is the next Shaq or Yao, my point still stands.



I'm going to go back to this. Are you saying that Edey is a hall of famer caliber player?
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Then give me examples of players that are as big as Edey and as dominant in the post as he was in college that you don't think would do well in today's NBA? Who do you think we should be comparing him to? Guys like Mark Eaton, who couldn't even score in college?
 
kjironman1 said:
They get even one solid backup out of this draft they have done well IMO. Two would be awesome!
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I agree with that statement give what this draft looks like today but should that be our front office's goal??? Shouldn't they be trying to do what the Bucks did in a similar draft back in 2013.

We're not a couple of bench players away from being relevant. So if that's the result sure I'm good with it but if we're not striving to become more relevant down the road, I'm definitely not OK with that.
 
beast crnjo said:
Then give me examples of players that are as big as Edey and as dominant in the post as he was in college that you don't think would do well in today's NBA? Who do you think we should be comparing him to? Guys like Mark Eaton, who couldn't even score in college?
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Define "do well."

Are you talking about simply scoring points? Yes, I'm sure you could drop any number of HOF centers into the NBA today and they'd score points, but that style of offense just doesn't exist much anymore. Dumping the ball into the post and everyone standing around while the center backs their man down. That's what Edey does. His team dumps the ball into him and he backs his man down. Marang said that Edey was in the 100th percentile in the number of post ups this year in the NCAA. That's all he does. That's all he CAN do. He doesn't pick and pop. He doesn't pick and roll. He picks and posts. Ayton is a MUCH more versatile scoring big man. The league wants bigs who can shoot the three, spread the floor, but can also attack the rim.

The entire league is swinging towards super mobile centers who can defend the perimeter. Guys who can't do that tend to get played off the court during the playoffs. Offense is irrelevant at the 5 if they can't shoot. Just look at KAT. He went from 1 3PA per game during his rookie season up to almost 8 attempts per game in 19-20. The entire league is hedging towards three point shooting because that's what the math tells them is the most efficient way to win games. So going to get guys who can't shoot and can't defend the perimeter would be problematic. It might work during the regular season, but we have seen Gobert go from DPOY to unplayable in multiple playoffs because he can't score on the perimeter and he gets hunted on defense. So could you drop some HOF centers into this league and watch them feast in the middle? Sure. I'm sure they'd have great regular seasons. But in a playoff series against a team that plays 5 out like OKC, who shoots 30+ three pointers per game, that center is going to become a liability if they can't defend.
 
kjironman1 said:
They get even one solid backup out of this draft they have done well IMO. Two would be awesome!
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I was listening to someone yesterday, can't remember which show, but they made a comment comparing this draft to the last two, and he made a good point when he talked about the strength of this draft. He said from 1-4, comparably speaking, it is not as good. But that from 5-10, it is. I agree with that. So I absolutely expect a future starter at 7
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's what Edey does. His team dumps the ball into him and he backs his man down. Marang said that Edey was in the 100th percentile in the number of post ups this year in the NCAA. That's all he does. That's all he CAN do. He doesn't pick and pop. He doesn't pick and roll. He picks and posts.
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I think these assumptions are speculative at best. If his college coach decided that the best way for him to help his team was to play that way, then it makes sense that we didn't see him do much else. But just because he didn't P&R (or P&P) much doesn't mean that he can't.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Define "do well."

Are you talking about simply scoring points? Yes, I'm sure you could drop any number of HOF centers into the NBA today and they'd score points, but that style of offense just doesn't exist much anymore. Dumping the ball into the post and everyone standing around while the center backs their man down. That's what Edey does. His team dumps the ball into him and he backs his man down. Marang said that Edey was in the 100th percentile in the number of post ups this year in the NCAA. That's all he does. That's all he CAN do. He doesn't pick and pop. He doesn't pick and roll. He picks and posts. Ayton is a MUCH more versatile scoring big man. The league wants bigs who can shoot the three, spread the floor, but can also attack the rim.

The entire league is swinging towards super mobile centers who can defend the perimeter. Guys who can't do that tend to get played off the court during the playoffs. Offense is irrelevant at the 5 if they can't shoot. Just look at KAT. He went from 1 3PA per game during his rookie season up to almost 8 attempts per game in 19-20. The entire league is hedging towards three point shooting because that's what the math tells them is the most efficient way to win games. So going to get guys who can't shoot and can't defend the perimeter would be problematic. It might work during the regular season, but we have seen Gobert go from DPOY to unplayable in multiple playoffs because he can't score on the perimeter and he gets hunted on defense. So could you drop some HOF centers into this league and watch them feast in the middle? Sure. I'm sure they'd have great regular seasons. But in a playoff series against a team that plays 5 out like OKC, who shoots 30+ three pointers per game, that center is going to become a liability if they can't defend.
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Maybe teams don't utilize post scoring because not many players are that good at it? Edey had a 66% TS%, while facing constant double teams as the focal point of the offense. That's domination. There was a day when not many points were scored on 3s because players didn't practice it and weren't that good at it.

Also, don't assume Edey can't shoot just because he didn't in college. He went for the high percentage shots. But he has a good FT% and did very well in shooting drills.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was listening to someone yesterday, can't remember which show, but they made a comment comparing this draft to the last two, and he made a good point when he talked about the strength of this draft. He said from 1-4, comparably speaking, it is not as good. But that from 5-10, it is. I agree with that. So I absolutely expect a future starter at 7
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That's kind of my point. With 7 and 14 we need to hit on one player. Will he be a star? Probably not. What this team needs is to get at least one good solid player. 6-9 on the rotation. That very well could be a backup center like Edey. If they get him with the 14th pick I would absolutely be on board with trying that.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I think these assumptions are speculative at best. If his college coach decided that the best way for him to help his team was to play that way, then it makes sense that we didn't see him do much else. But just because he didn't P&R (or P&P) much doesn't mean that he can't.
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And he has been playing 5 years. How much do big men improve in their first 3-4 years in the league? You simply cannot teach size but he has shown he can be taught and he is coachable.
 
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