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oh and I love Haywood but why do we need to make some crazy trade to fill the center position when Pendergraph & Howard are doing just fine and we just beat a team with two legit centers.
 
Reminds me of going into any of the stores going out of business. Signs and advertisments say "Discount Prices!" only to find the same crap no one bought in the first place for the same price.

This is consistent with EG's thinking. Severely overpaid Arenas and Jamison. Arenas was so overpaid he thought he could get away with having multiple unregistered guns in his locker. With the #5 pick, he traded it for a one year rental in Miller and a guard that will be lucky to get an offer above the MLE. For a team that will be drafting early, the Wiz will be paying a huge luxury tax bill.

We did not trade for Crash because they insisted on Batum. Do not think his value has change in KP's eyes that now he is only worth a one year stop gag at C. Think it is going to take a kings ransom to pry Rudy from KP as well.

Personally, I am going to enjoy watching the times when Batum, Webster, and either of Greg or Joel are on the court together.
 
You know that may be what they offered, but come on folks, we know these are negotiations, and both sides start at the extreme and work towards a middle ground. Then the Wizards go out and find out what they can get around the league, and we talk again, and that repeats several more times before any deal is consumated. The answer is always in the middle of the two extremes somewhere. We bid low. They ask high. Just like buying a fucking house.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
With the #5 pick, he traded it for a one year rental in Miller and a guard that will be lucky to get an offer above the MLE.
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That, in my mind, was his most egregious mistake. How the hell can you pass on a chance @ Rubio for Randy frickin Foye?!
 
Tince said:
According to Brian Wheeler on the post game show:

Brendan Haywood

FOR

Rudy Fernandez
Nicolas Batum
2nd Round Pick

These are the types of trades it appears we're getting offered and it's why I'm not upset that we haven't made a significant trade to date...
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LOL what a friggin joke for a guy who they will lose this summer, a big FUK U on that one!
 
Tince said:
According to Brian Wheeler on the post game show:

Brendan Haywood

FOR

Rudy Fernandez
Nicolas Batum
2nd Round Pick

These are the types of trades it appears we're getting offered and it's why I'm not upset that we haven't made a significant trade to date...
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Holy crap, that is a trade you'd expect a fan to make, and not a GM.

MAYBE you do that trade if it includes a swap of 1st round picks (assuming the Wizards have one?) and doesn't include Batum AND Rudy. And even then, it makes no sense. That's not to say that Haywood is a bum, but you're talking about trading 2 really good prospects for a guy who's in his 9th year and has an ending contract and is 30.

Why would we trade for a rental of a big man, who could leave at the end of the year and won't all the sudden make us a serious contender? Not that I expect any trade would, this season, make us a serious contender. Plus, if they really wanted him, why would they lose 2 players who are under contract (and younger and have a much bigger upside) for a player who if they wanted they could sign this off season?

It just makes no sense to potentially lose Rudy and Batum for 40 games of a big man.

Do the Wizards think we're the Grizzlies and they're the Lakers?

And there is no need to or reason to trade Rudy or Batum right now. The team could eventually have a 3 guard lineup of Roy, Jerryd and Rudy. Batum and Webster can share SF minutes, and eventually you could trade one of them if it was necessary.

Roy should be limited to about 35 minutes, and there is 61 minutes to split between the other 2 (they could get another PG who gets spot minutes too).

As much as I like Travis, I think Pendergraph is a significantly better long term backup PF for the team than Travis is. Yes, Eric, Travis scores more and "hits game winners", but he takes away minutes from smarter, better POSITIONAL players who do more than just score. Pendergraphs size and rebounding is vital to a backup PF.

Look at how Martell has played recently. He's not just scoring, he's defending better (block shots does not = better defense), and he's rebounding.

It would make more sense to trade away players who are in the final years of their contracts or there are other players who are on the team that have more all-around skills. In this case, Blake and Outlaw are the two most logical trade able assets.

this trade idea is an incredibly stupid trade idea. So they trade the backup SG and (returning backup) SF for a C we don't necessarily need that bad?
 
I'd only throw in both Batum and Rudy if the package coming back was both Haywood and Butler from the Wiz. We'd still need to throw in Blake, TO and Pryz to make the numbers work though.

A lineup of Andre/Roy/Butler/LMA/Haywood could do some real damage in the West though.
 
yuyuza1 said:
That, in my mind, was his most egregious mistake. How the hell can you pass on a chance @ Rubio for Randy frickin Foye?!
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The same way you pass up Brandon Roy for Randy frickin Foye.

Let it be known - all GMs are not geniuses.

BNM
 
MIXUM said:
webster is our small forward... batum isnt even close on offense or rebounding. and in all honesty websters defense is just as good.
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Switched horses AGAIN?

we can do batum, blake or outlaw for heyward... its a no brainer for this year and next year.
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Only in your brain.

hayward would give us a legit shot at advancing deeeep into playoffs.

batum is nothing to lose sleep over
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You were saying Nic was our sf a week ago, didn't you?

His name is Haywood. When Joel and Greg come back, you'd be here whining that KP created a log jam at C.

Go Blazers
 
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I'd really like to see Haywood here, but not at that price. Steve Blake or Outlaw would be a good starting point, IMO.

Washington needs to clean house and everyone knows it. Plus, the Blazers have been just fine without a true center.
 
craigehlo said:
I'd only throw in both Batum and Rudy if the package coming back was both Haywood and Butler from the Wiz. We'd still need to throw in Blake, TO and Pryz to make the numbers work though.

A lineup of Andre/Roy/Butler/LMA/Haywood could do some real damage in the West though.
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This is where it starts to make more sense.
The wizards (assuming they void Arenas' contract) would be left with the following for the remainder of the year and would have some decent pieces moving forward (including what will likely be their very high draft pick)
Blake/Boykins
Foye/Rudy
Miller/Nic/McGuire
Jamison/Blatche/Travis
McGee/Joel

Green=Expiring Contract
Red=Injured

Who knows where they go from here, but I think a backcourt rotation that includes Rudy, Foye and likely one true point guard (John Wall if they get lucky?) would be pretty formidable. If they kept Miller I imagine he'd start over Nic for awhile, otherwise they'd need some more depth there eventually and once Joel is healthy he and McGee as their one-two punch at center isn't bad and it at least gives Javale a defensive minded pivot to learn the game from.
 
I wouldn't trade either one of those guys straight up for Haywood. Oden will be back and Howard/Pendergraph/Aldridge can get backup minutes at center.
 
tlongII said:
I wouldn't trade either one of those guys straight up for Haywood. Oden will be back and Howard/Pendergraph/Aldridge can get backup minutes at center.
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So you're plan going forward counts on a healthy Oden I take it? That might happen, but planning accordingly would be foolish beyond belief for a GM.
 
Tince said:
According to Brian Wheeler on the post game show:

Brendan Haywood

FOR

Rudy Fernandez
Nicolas Batum
2nd Round Pick

These are the types of trades it appears we're getting offered and it's why I'm not upset that we haven't made a significant trade to date...
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I hope Kevin Pritchard laughed then hang up.

Haywood is a decent player but not worth both Rudy and Batum.
 
i love how everyone thinks greg and joel will be ok for next season. joel might not play till 2011. oden is always hurt (see redd) and yet you want to pass on a solid starting center for batum? a guy who cant hit a jumper to save his life?

oden playing 82 games in a season..... no chance in hell. you have oden... you better have a better then average backup.
 
MIXUM said:
i love how everyone thinks greg and joel will be ok for next season. joel might not play till 2011. oden is always hurt (see redd) and yet you want to pass on a solid starting center for batum? a guy who cant hit a jumper to save his life?

oden playing 82 games in a season..... no chance in hell. you have oden... you better have a better then average backup.
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Why can't all this be addressed this summer? I'm not against trading for a Center right now, but not at the expense if disrupting this sweet chemistry the team is displaying.
 
LittleAlex said:
I hope Kevin Pritchard laughed then hang up.

Haywood is a decent player but not worth both Rudy and Batum.
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I'd be willing to let Rudy go in a deal for Haywood, but not Batum. Rudy will never have a big role in Portland backing-up Roy. He's basically a scorer off the bench here, and I can see Bayless filling that role (and Outlaw when we get him back). With all of our guards, I just don't see Rudy getting the minutes or playing the role he wants. Now that he's back, he's going to be taking minutes from Bayless, which will slow Jerryd's growth. I know a lot of fans love Rudy, but I see him as the odd man out in our backcourt.

BNM
 
Nikolokolus said:
So you're plan going forward counts on a healthy Oden I take it? That might happen, but planning accordingly would be foolish beyond belief for a GM.
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My plan just doesn't include trading either Rudy or Batum for Haywood. I would be shocked if KP was not in agreement with me.
 
MIXUM said:
i love how everyone thinks greg and joel will be ok for next season. joel might not play till 2011. oden is always hurt (see redd) and yet you want to pass on a solid starting center for batum? a guy who cant hit a jumper to save his life?

oden playing 82 games in a season..... no chance in hell. you have oden... you better have a better then average backup.
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It's not that difficult to look up a guy's statistics you know. Give it a shot, you'll notice that this "can't hit a jumper to save his life" crap is just that -- crap.
 
Nikolokolus said:
So you're plan going forward counts on a healthy Oden I take it? That might happen, but planning accordingly would be foolish beyond belief for a GM.
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This.


If the Blazers are even semi-serious about trying to be a contender, they need to find a young(ish) and reasonably healthy center. Haywood is not the optimal solution, but he may be the best solution available.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I'd do one or the other ... well one really (the guy not named Nic), but both? I dunno, seems a steep price to pay for a guy who might be a half-season rental.
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You would trade one or the other for Heywood? Wow. What can Heywood do that Pendergraph cannot, that is worth losing Rudy or Batum!?

You are crazy man. Rudy for Heywood. Unbelievable!

I try not to post anymore, but I had to say something. Some of you just have no clue.
 
I'm wondering why everyone thinks Wheels has the hot poop on the scoop now, but when actual deals are flying, mum's the word.

Where's the offer from NYK? GSW? NJN? HOU? All teams that other writers have reported are calling around the league being "active". What was our counteroffer to WAS?

I call B.S. on all of this. First, the OP trade doesn't work out legally...we're not stupid and can read the CBA. Second, why when "KP doesn't talk about trades" do we all of a sudden we hear about this garbage deal? Why can ESPN reports not be used as anything more than "rumor" ("even though it was in ESPN, you can't believe that they'd give up Harris for Jack, Frye and Outlaw") but Wheels on a radio show with no source can say something like this...

Whatever. Meh.
 
BenDavis503 said:
You would trade one or the other for Heywood? Wow. What can Heywood do that Pendergraph cannot, that is worth losing Rudy or Batum!?

You are crazy man. Rudy for Heywood. Unbelievable!

I try not to post anymore, but I had to say something. Some of you just have no clue.
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2 words for you dude - "position scarcity".

Haywood is a competent 7'. Rudy is a competent SG. The latter is *much* easier to replace. It wouldn't be much of an exageration to call Rudy a "throw in" on a Batum-for-Haywood deal. (as Batum has at least a *chance* to be an "all defensive team" type player)
 
oldmangrouch said:
2 words for you dude - "position scarcity".

Haywood is a competent 7'. Rudy is a competent SG. The latter is *much* easier to replace. It wouldn't be much of an exageration to call Rudy a "throw in" on a Batum-for-Haywood deal. (as Batum has at least a *chance* to be an "all defensive team" type player)
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Or we could just sign Haywood this summer and not lose a player. Not like Haywood would be the difference between Portland winning and not winning the division.
 
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