Woj: Batum trade to CHA for Vonleh and Henderson

[BBert]

Woohoo the Blazers traded an aging No. 25 pick for a young No. 9 pick plus a good sixth man S.G. Also traded small for big.

Win!

 

[oldfisherman]

I thought Tellem signed on with the front office of a team somewhere recently..wouldn't that be a conflict of interest juggling clients?

You are probably correct, Tellem maybe with the Pistons now.

The list I checked still listed Tellem and also a second agent, Thaddeus Foucher with the Wasserman Media Group. I am not sure if that information is correct, but it is the best I can find. Sorry for the miss-info, I am not sure who Olshey negotiated with in the Henderson trade.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The draft BEFORE the draft is suspicious. OTOH, trading for someone with the same agent as Aldridge is also suspicious.

At any rate:

 

[jlprk]

Vonleh played high school in New Hampshire, a tiny state. So did Will Barton, Thomas Robinson, Nerlens Noel, Matt Bonner...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/high_schools.cgi?country=US&state=NH

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Vonleh played high school in New Hampshire, a tiny state. So did Will Barton, Thomas Robinson, Nerlens Noel, Matt Bonner...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/high_schools.cgi?country=US&state=NH

Are you saying he looks bigger than he really is because the state was tiny?

 

[jlprk]

Are you saying he looks bigger than he really is because the state was tiny?

I just did the calculation. Turns out that 23% of the state is high school basketball players.

So I signed the papers to become an agent and I move there tomorrow.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I just did the calculation. Turns out that 23% of the state is high school basketball players.

So I signed the papers to become an agent and I move there tomorrow.

Smart move. 15% of 23% is a lot of money.

 

[riverman]

I just did the calculation. Turns out that 23% of the state is high school basketball players.

So I signed the papers to become an agent and I move there tomorrow.

Then you'll really feel like you're back in high school

 

[Duckhook]

I guess Nic shouldn't've led the league in miles run on the court then.

Smart move. 15% of 23% is a lot of money.

Interestingly, both Henderson and Vonlay had higher PER last season than batum...

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Interestingly, both Henderson and Vonlay had higher PER last season than batum...

I really really don't think that was lost on Olshey. Not saying he's a PER Only guy, but Nic's season last year was awful.

 

[Duckhook]

I really really don't think that was lost on Olshey. Not saying he's a PER Only guy, but Nic's season last year was awful.

I hear you. Just was an interesting tidbit that's all. PER can be looked at a number of different ways.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I hear you. Just was an interesting tidbit that's all. PER can be looked at a number of different ways.

Totally.

Looking at Vonleh's stats, they were actually favorably comparable to Nic's pre-ASG stats. Like, shooting % and 3Pt%. Plus, and I like this, his DRtg (102) is lower than Charlotte's overall DRtg (103.5), which is pretty good news for his potential. Also, his ORtg (99) was about in line with Charlotte's ORtg (100.1), which says his "underachieving" might have more to do with the Hornets than with him.

He's a total project, but young and surrounded byKim Hughes and his Big Men Success Stories.

 

[Duckhook]

That's good stuff right there BC. Thank you!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Random Tidbit: The trade might not be done. There is reason to exchange draft picks after the draft. So, it's possible that the blazers magically trade $$ for their 2nd rounder.

 

[Eastoff]

Totally.

Looking at Vonleh's stats, they were actually favorably comparable to Nic's pre-ASG stats. Like, shooting % and 3Pt%. Plus, and I like this, his DRtg (102) is lower than Charlotte's overall DRtg (103.5), which is pretty good news for his potential. Also, his ORtg (99) was about in line with Charlotte's ORtg (100.1), which says his "underachieving" might have more to do with the Hornets than with him.

He's a total project, but young and surrounded byKim Hughes and his Big Men Success Stories.

I'm feeling rather dense. Can you expound on that ortg idea some more, please?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Totally.

Looking at Vonleh's stats, they were actually favorably comparable to Nic's pre-ASG stats. Like, shooting % and 3Pt%. Plus, and I like this, his DRtg (102) is lower than Charlotte's overall DRtg (103.5), which is pretty good news for his potential. Also, his ORtg (99) was about in line with Charlotte's ORtg (100.1), which says his "underachieving" might have more to do with the Hornets than with him.

He's a total project, but young and surrounded byKim Hughes and his Big Men Success Stories.

Which raises a whole new question.

Top ten pick on a weak team and has a decent PER....and he couldn't get any minutes. What's missing?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I'm feeling rather dense. Can you expound on that ortg idea some more, please?

Offensive Rating: basically how many points a team or player would score in 100 possessions. In the case of players, if they were the shooter in 100 possessions, how many points would they score.

 

[riverman]

Which raises a whole new question.

Top ten pick on a weak team and has a decent PER....and he couldn't get any minutes. What's missing?

experience

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Which raises a whole new question.

Top ten pick on a weak team and has a decent PER....and he couldn't get any minutes. What's missing?

As in why he didn't play? He was stuck behind two PFs and three C's on the team. Maybe the coach has trust issues, and tried riding starters to the playoffs?

 

[Duckhook]

Which raises a whole new question.

Top ten pick on a weak team and has a decent PER....and he couldn't get any minutes. What's missing?

He couldn't get minutes behind Zeller and big Al? <shrug>

 

[BlazerCaravan]

He couldn't get minutes behind Zeller and big Al? <shrug>

Yeah that team is lopsided for forwards and centers, eight on the roster last year.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Offensive Rating: basically how many points a team or player would score in 100 possessions. In the case of players, if they were the shooter in 100 possessions, how many points would they score.

My intent with comparing Vonleh's O and D Ratings versus the team as a whole is to get a sense of whether he's above or below average for the system they ran. He's an above average defender in the system, and an average player offensively. Apply that to a more active system like ours and you could really see him blossom over the next three years.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

He couldn't get minutes behind Zeller and big Al? <shrug>

Behind Big Al, Zeller, Marvin Williams, Biyomba, and Maxiel.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Behind Big Al, Zeller, Marvin Williams, Biyomba, and Maxiel.

This might be over-selling it but that sounds like Jermaine O'Neal Syndrome.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

This might be over-selling it but that sounds like Jermaine O'Neal Syndrome.

Sounds like missing training camp and being 19 on a team with a coach who likes vets syndrome.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Sounds like missing training camp and being 19 on a team with a coach who likes vets syndrome.

And Mike Dunleavy didn't?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

And Mike Dunleavy didn't?

I don't remember... I was like 5-7 lol

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I don't remember... I was like 5-7 lol

Ahh! Youngblood!

 

[jlprk]

Behind Big Al, Zeller, Marvin Williams, Biyomba, and Maxiel.

The reason Charlotte played those experienced guys over Vonleh, age 19, 1 year of college: At .402 with 33 wins, they were a respectable team trying to win.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

The reason Charlotte played those experienced guys over Vonleh, age 19: At .402 with 33 wins, they were a respectable team in the East trying to make the playoffs to get smashed in the 1st round.

FTFY