OT Woman calls 911, gets killed by Minneapolis police, source says

[SlyPokerDog]

WTF!!!!

There better be a damn good reason for him shooting his firearm across his partners body.

The only scenario I can imagine it being neccessary is if he believed they were gettibg ambushed, yet she tqlkes to tgem through the driver side window. If they had a conversation that goes out the door. Or maybe she called the cops on false pretenses and then upon arrival walked up to the car and told them she was going to shoot them. Suicide by cop.

But, its crazy that there are so few details about what happened. The only witness is dead no cameras. These cops can spin it anyway they want.

The camera on the dashboard of the cop car hopefully recorded the audio of the encounter.

 

[Chris Craig]

The camera on the dashboard of the cop car hopefully recorded the audio of the encounter.

That was probably off too

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

WTF!!!!

There better be a damn good reason for him shooting his firearm across his partners body.

The only scenario I can imagine it being neccessary is if he believed they were gettibg ambushed, yet she talked to them through the driver side window. If they had a conversation that goes out the door. Or maybe she called the cops on false pretenses and then upon arrival walked up to the car and told them she was going to shoot them. Suicide by cop.

But, its crazy that there are so few details about what happened. The only witness is dead no cameras. These cops can spin it anyway they want.

Sharia law

 

[Chris Craig]

Sharia law

If that were true that would be fucked up. Terrorists getting jobs as police officers so they can kill people without consequence.

 

[MarAzul]

I don't want to know why this dude shot the woman. I want to know why they hired this fucker?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...ta-policeman-had-two-years-experience/8717936

 

[Jade Falcon]

From the ABC article:

If a body camera is not turned on before use of force, it is supposed to be turned on as soon as it is safe to do so.

That sounds reasonable, but I have a feeling that policy is going to change now. The problem is that a battery will not last an entire 8 to 12 hour shift. And going through batteries adds up.

There's also the fact that it's not practical to have body cam footage where 3 (or more) out of those 8-12 hours total are either sitting in front of a computer or steering wheel.

Mr Freeman would not comment on the broader case, but said both officers likely should have turned on their body cameras as they were approached by Ms Damond in an alley.

I highly doubt it would have caught anything relevant, because of the angle the camera would have likely been pointed in while sitting down, verses where he was shooting.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Fucking pigs. Guess we will see how it shakes out. Sounds like he must have had a reason to shoot her, right? Like he wouldn't just shoot her for no reason...right?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Hope he is charged with murder.

Pretty quiet on the BLM front - their official pages (insta, twitter, etc.) merely posted a link and "#abolishthepolice".

What, no demands of justice for Justine?

 

[stampedehero]

This is a FUBAR beyond all what cops could do. It is the worst. It spirals into a travesty. Wasting a fiancée and having missing investigative equipment is as horrible as it gets. It happened in Minnesota???!!!

 

[stampedehero]

Fucking pigs. Guess we will see how it shakes out. Sounds like he must have had a reason to shoot her, right? Like he wouldn't just shoot her for no reason...right?

A small figure in pajamas is a real threat in Minnesota......

 

[stampedehero]

The officer that shot her was the first Somali on the force and has two open complaints.

Off the raiding boat and into a US police "prowler"............WTF.............Why are they hiring East Africans instead of freckle faced young Americans.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Hope he is charged with murder.

Pretty quiet on the BLM front - their official pages (insta, twitter, etc.) merely posted a link and "#abolishthepolice".

What, no demands of justice for Justine?

BLM must equally protest all things ever because things.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Hope he is charged with murder.

Pretty quiet on the BLM front - their official pages (insta, twitter, etc.) merely posted a link and "#abolishthepolice".

What, no demands of justice for Justine?

Him being charged would actually help BLM's cause a lot. If he is, they can spin it that he's only being charged because he's a black cop who shot a white woman.

And it's arguable that it won't be a completely unreasonable interpretation.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Off the raiding boat and into a US police "prowler"............WTF.............Why are they hiring East Africans instead of freckle faced young Americans.

Because there is a very large Somali community there and a police force should reflect the population it serves.

 

[crandc]

In conversations with dviss I sometimes said we had different fears. He could go places a woman could not, but when I saw a cop I could figure they counted me (white, female, midlife) as someone they "protect and serve" while he could not. This woman was younger than me but still a mature woman, no kid, in her pajamas talking to an officer whom she no doubt thought would protect and serve her.

 

[Natebishop3]

The punishment for an officer who commits murder should be worse than that for a regular citizen who commits murder.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The punishment for an officer who commits murder should be worse than that for a regular citizen who commits murder.

It already is. It's called being sent to prison with the people you helped arrest.

 

[Natebishop3]

It already is. It's called being sent to prison with the people you helped arrest.

Not enough.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Not enough.

I'm sure you can understand why we shouldn't have different punishments for different types, classes or races of people. At least we're not suppose to, lol.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm sure you can understand why we shouldn't have different punishments for different types, classes or races of people. At least we're not suppose to, lol.

So for example, a teacher having sex with a 14-year-old student shouldn't have a stiffer punishment than someone else unaffiliated with the school doing the same? The inherent abuse of the power dynamic present in such a situation doesn't merit stronger discipline?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So for example, a teacher having sex with a 14-year-old student shouldn't have a stiffer punishment than someone else unaffiliated with the school doing the same? The inherent abuse of the power dynamic present in such a situation doesn't merit stronger discipline?

You mean a teacher should get a worse punishment than a minister or relative?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You mean a teacher should get a worse punishment than a minister or relative?

Poor examples, because the power dynamic exists in those relationships as well. I'm more contrasting the teacher with, for instance, some guy who met a teenage girl at the mall.

And I'm not stating anything--I'm asking you. Should said dude who hooks up with a teenager be treated identically with a teacher (or minister, or relative)?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Poor examples, because the power dynamic exists in those relationships as well. I'm more contrasting the teacher with, for instance, some guy who met a teenage girl at the mall.

And I'm not stating anything--I'm asking you. Should said dude who hooks up with a teenager be treated identically with a teacher (or minister, or relative)?

Not poor examples, I would argue your original example was incomplete.

I believe that should be up to the judge at time of sentencing.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Not poor examples, I would argue your original example was incomplete.

I believe that should be up to the judge at time of sentencing.

The example was not intended to be an all-encompassing classification--it was simply an example. The secondary question clearly indicated the purpose of the question--you chose to divert the focus away therefrom.

And obviously the question isn't "how should the legal system function?" Of course the judge decides sentencing. But that doesn't eliminate your opinion of how it should occur. Clearly, I need to reframe it. If you were a judge deciding sentencing in a statutory rape case, would the offender being in a pre-sexual-relationship position of power over the victim merit a stronger punishment?

Is it really so complex of a question that it's not worthy of a yes or no answer?

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm sure you can understand why we shouldn't have different punishments for different types, classes or races of people. At least we're not suppose to, lol.

When someone who is charged to protect the weak and the innocent becomes a killer, that person should be punished worse, imo.

Similarly, when someone is elected to represent the people, and they break that trust and harm the people, they should be punished far worse than any other criminal.

I'm tired of watching public servants screw us over and suffer no consequences. The consequences should be so harsh that they wouldn't even consider it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And obviously the question isn't "how should the legal system function?" Of course the judge decides sentencing. But that doesn't eliminate your opinion of how it should occur. Clearly, I need to reframe it. If you were a judge deciding sentencing in a statutory rape case, would the offender being in a pre-sexual-relationship position of power over the victim merit a stronger punishment?

I would give them the maximum sentence allowed by the existing law.

 

[e_blazer]

It's hard to imagine how there could be a justifiable reason for this shooting. Most likely to me seems to be that the officer was either frightened by something the woman said or did and overreacted. That said, like all of these incidents, we have to wait until we learn more before rushing to judgment.

 

[MarAzul]

how there could be a justifiable reason for this shooting.

Yes I suspect it easier to predict the possibility of the shooting than it is to justify it.

 

[Sinobas]

Wow, there is still flat out no explaination. I think this is the point where the officer needs to be arrested and charged. He just whipped out a gun and shot a woman? I can't even write down what I'd do if I were that woman's husband.