Worst Blazer Ever

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dviss1 said:
Even though he is the most hated right now, LMA should never be on this list.

He doesn't even compare to:

Raymond Felton
Shawn Kemp
Damon Stoudamire
or JR Rider
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That's just ridiculous! That sounds more like fan hatered to me.
 
Felton would be my choice. Only Blazer I ever hated. It's not because he was the worst player, because clearly there were other guys that couldn't play -- I can't fault a guy that lacked talent but at least tried. It was that Felton showed ability, had potential, didn't take care of himself, played like he didn't care, was a locker room cancer, and then blamed all his missteps on other people. The fact that we traded a favorite player to get him just made it worse.
 
I guess another, better way of looking at it is Felton did more damage to the Blazers than guys that didn't have enough ability to get into games.
 
PCmor7 said:
I guess another, better way of looking at it is Felton did more damage to the Blazers than guys that didn't have enough ability to get into games.
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Felton is my personal least favorite Blazer ever, but he was not LaRue Martin bad on the court. Felton just ruined more Blazer games for me than any player in recent history and cost us my favorite pt guard to boot.
 
This one is pretty bad:
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Derek Anderson. Huge overpaid pussy...never forget him missing a game with a toothache and driving thru McDonald's during the game.
 
Agree Bowie does not belong on list. It's only because of the eternal "Bowie ahead of Jordan"; as mentioned, his problems were less mental than physical. Unlike Oden, he did try. And he seems to have a good attitude - I wasn't following the Blazers in 1985 or so and can't answer how he was then but I did see an interview a few years back. Bowie was asked how he felt about being the poster child for bad draft picks and said that he really did not have a lot to complain about. His NBA career was not what he would have wanted but he did play in the NBA; very few people get that chance. With the money he earned he was able to start a business he still owns. He's been married to the same woman over 20 years, they have 3 healthy children who either are going or plan on going to college. Life has been good to him.

No way does a person with that kind of attitude belong on a worst of anything list. He sounds like a pretty decent, level headed person, and frankly he's right. Life has been good to him.
 
Does Detlef Schrempf get a nod? He was great with the Sonics but when he came to the Blazers he didn't do all that well.
 
crandc said:
Agree Bowie does not belong on list. It's only because of the eternal "Bowie ahead of Jordan"; as mentioned, his problems were less mental than physical. Unlike Oden, he did try. And he seems to have a good attitude - I wasn't following the Blazers in 1985 or so and can't answer how he was then but I did see an interview a few years back. Bowie was asked how he felt about being the poster child for bad draft picks and said that he really did not have a lot to complain about. His NBA career was not what he would have wanted but he did play in the NBA; very few people get that chance. With the money he earned he was able to start a business he still owns. He's been married to the same woman over 20 years, they have 3 healthy children who either are going or plan on going to college. Life has been good to him.

No way does a person with that kind of attitude belong on a worst of anything list. He sounds like a pretty decent, level headed person, and frankly he's right. Life has been good to him.
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The only reason he'd be on here is because he lied about his knees...he knew they were bad and chose to withold this...I understand he had a family to feed...but his lie cost the Blazers
 
Chris Craig said:
The only reason he'd be on here is because he lied about his knees...he knew they were bad and chose to withold this...I understand he had a family to feed...but his lie cost the Blazers
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So then Roy should be on the list, too.
 
Chris Craig said:
The only reason he'd be on here is because he lied about his knees...he knew they were bad and chose to withold this...I understand he had a family to feed...but his lie cost the Blazers
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It wasn't his knees, it was brittle bones. But yes, it did cost the Blazers.

People conveniently choose to ignore the fact that Chicago approached us about making a trade because THEY WANTED BOWIE, TOO!
 
Sinobas said:
Jamal Magloire.
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You mean "Former All Star Jamal Magloire"! The worst part was the staff/front office insisted on playing him ahead of both Joel Przybilla and rookie LaMarcus Aldridge because they were "showcasing" him for a possible trade. Shit, he sucked so bad, playing him DECREASED his trade value. When the trade deadline passed, they FINALLY started to give Aldridge Magloire's minutes and he had a huge March with a 30-point game, and games of 24/17 and 27/14 - way better than anything Magloire ever did in a Blazer uniform.

BNM
 
KingSpeed said:
We gave up Barton, Robinsom, and a pick and having nothing to show for it.
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So, we pretty much gave up nothing for nothing. Barton and Robinson had both played their way out of the rotation. So, we gave up guys who weren't even playing for a a 6th man who was forced into a starter's role due to an unfortunate and untimely injury.

If you want to play that game, I'd say Drazen Petrovic for Walter Davis was a much worse trade. It looked good on paper at the time. Davis was a veteran scorer, that in spite of being 36 years old, was averaging 18.7 ppg on PER = 17.1 for Denver. Petrovic was getting almost no PT with Drexler, Ainge and Porter eating up all the backcourt minutes. So, adding a proven scorer off the bench to back up Kersey seemed like a good move. The Blazers also had the best record in the league and were in win now mode. Unfortunately, Davis never fit in and after a sub-par 32-game rental was back in Denver the next year where he, again, put up much better numbers than he did in Portland. And, of course, Drazen went on to become a lights out shooter who averaged over 20 ppg for NJN.

Ironically, the veteran Davis was brought in for a deep playoff push in place of the younger, inexperienced Petrovic, but it was Petrovic who averaged 24.3ppg for NJN the playoffs the following year - the season we lost to the Bulls in the finals. We sure could have used that extra scoring punch off the bench against Michael, Scottie and company as we saw our team scoring average drop by almost 15 ppg (compared to our regular season average) in that series

BNM
 
Guys like Boumtje^2 hardly count in my book. They play so little, their suckage doesn't really impact the team's won:loss record.

To me, other than off court behavioral issues, to qualify as "worst" Blazer ever, it had to be someone who played significant minutes at a truly inept level. I haven't gone all the way back to the pre-championship years, but in recent (for me) memory, I'm thinking of someone who played at least 1000 minutes with a single digit PER. Jeff McGinnis played 1311 minutes in 2002-03 with a 10.0 PER (that's pretty sucky, but not QUITE single digit). He was the first guy I thought of as my nominee for worst Blazer ever - as someone who played big minutes, but did so exceptionally poorly.

Going back just three seasons ago we had the absolutely suckiest bench in NBA history. None of our bench guys met my 1000 minute/single digit PER criteria, but just look at all this sucking:

Will Barton - 894 MP, PER = 9.1
Victor Claver - 812 MP, PER = 7.0
Luke Babbit - 730 MP, PER = 9.4
Sasha Pavlovic - 528 MP, PER = 6.2
Ronnie Price - 510 MP, PER = 6.8

That's a whole lot of minutes going to guys who really just flat out did not produce - and that doesn't even include Jared Jeffries and his stellar 2.4 PER in 350 MP.

I'd hate to label him the worst Blazer ever, because he did put up a solid 14.4 PER playing next to Brandon Roy on the 54-win 2008-09 team, but last season Steve Blake played a whopping 1529 minutes with a single digit PER of 9.5, which faded to 2.9 in the playoffs

So, can anyone find any other former Blazers who played at least 1000 minutes with a single digit PER?

BNM
 
Strenuus said:
Does NO ONE remember why that trade was made? good grief. it was made to give us insurance behind Wesley Matthews, our Iron man. The guy who never got hurt. And then he did. And then we had to throw a lineup together with a guy who just got here... in the middle of the western conference race that went down to the last couple of games... so we got every teams best.

Does NO ONE remember that? That trade was AWESOME. Good grief.
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If that trade was awesome, then Greg Oden was an AWESOME draft pick. Because, after all, he was great BEFORE the draft, and if it hadn't been for an inconvenient injury, he would have been GREAT!
 
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riverman said:
well..they gave us much needed roster spots and we didn't have to pay them again
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They were all free agents at the end of the season. Afflalo almost wasn't, but praise be! He opted out. So basically, we gave up a draft pick and lost minutes for CJ.
Maybe Afflalo won us one or two games. Which meant we missed out on Bobby Portis.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If that trade was awesome, then Greg Oden was an AWESOME draft pick. Because, after all, he was great BEFORE the trade, and if it hadn't been for an inconvenient injury, he would have been GREAT!
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He had known injuries before he was drafted. That was a calculated risk by the front office to choose him over Durant.

This was a decision to shore up a bench that EVERYONE said was porous, and to have a backup to a guy who NEVER missed games.

It's a no brainer. One does not equal the other. That argument holds no water.
 
crandc said:
Define your term - "worst" in what way?
Least talent?
Did the least with his talent?
Greatest disappointment?
Worst attitude/behavior?
Left the team with the most bad feelings?
Most over the hill with big contract and nothing left in the tank?

No one can claim Aldridge, for example, in the first 4 categories but that he is listed here shows some consider no. 5 to be the top of their list.

My list for the 5 would be:
LaRue Martin (a lot of second round picks fit but then who remembers them?)
JR Rider
Greg Oden
Ruben Patterson
Hate to say it but Bill Walton
Steve Francis
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>Yep...Bill Walton was entering his suck up to the great Boston Celtics stage. When he became a broadcaster I immediately disliked his personality. He declared himself basketball God. What a self centered huge asshole.
 
The actual worst Blazer is probably some D-League scrub that got called up for a ten day contract that I completely forgot about.

The one Blazer whose career made me hate basketball for a couple of years and forced me to take a break was Oden. Never has the gulf between expectations and contribution been so wide - probably in the running for the most disappointing number one pick ever.
 
Nikolokolus said:
The actual worst Blazer is probably some D-League scrub that got called up for a ten day contract that I completely forgot about.

The one Blazer whose career made me hate basketball for a couple of years and forced me to take a break was Oden. Never has the gulf between expectations and contribution been so wide - probably in the running for the most disappointing number one pick ever.
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But...but...his per 36 stats were....ah, nevermind.
 
Just FYI
Strenuus said:
He had known injuries before he was drafted. That was a calculated risk by the front office to choose him over Durant.
This was a decision to shore up a bench that EVERYONE said was porous, and to have a backup to a guy who NEVER missed games.
It's a no brainer. One does not equal the other. That argument holds no water.
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They were both moves that should have been good and ended up being crap. The fact that they should have been good does not make them good. The fact that they were crap makes them crap.

Scratch that: unlike Oden, Afflalo just wasn't that good anyway. He had a good year one time, but he was pretty shitty for Denver last season before we traded for him. He's a high volume shooter who does NOTHING ELSE. He didn't even play good defense, which he was supposed to be good at.
 
Shoot, some people are still defending the Moses Malone trade. Some thought Felton-for-Miller was a good deal.

Results matter.
 
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