Would u say Wes and Batum are overrated defenders?

[e_blazer]

Taking the question as if it were legitimately intended for discussion, no, I don't think that either Wes or Batum are overrated as defenders. I think that they defend very well for stretches of the game. Teams have styles of play and can't be all things all of the time. The Blazers are a high octane offense, which plays to the strengths of the players on the roster. I don't think that players can put out full effort on both ends of the floor for the entire game unless a team has a lot more experienced depth than the Blazers do. The Blazers put out full effort on the offensive end and, as a result, it seems to me that they pick their times when they bear down on defense. Their defense during crunch time has, for the most part, been very good this year. They got beat by a couple of breakdowns against Dallas and Miami, but stuff happens once in awhile. I don't think that the Heat could very often get away with that weak dribbly pass that Wade rolled back to Bosh and have him drain a 3 pointer for the go ahead bucket. They caught a break and it worked out for them.

 

[cdub503]

But really name a player that consistently shuts down elite wings like kd or Lebron or quick guards? They are who they are for a reason they are just that good. With that said I think they are above average defenders. Don't know if I'd say overrated though.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Batum absolutely is. Wes may be

 

[BBert]

Who can stay in front of Harden with any sort of consistency?

You're better off not staying in front of Harden. He will crash into you and shoot free throws.

 

[HailBlazers]

Batum absolutely is. Wes may be

Take it you missed Batum's 3 block shots against Miami?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Do you believe carlito is not mixum?

I know they are they same person.

But I also believe that monikers should be judged separately. We didn't delete PapaG's new moniker after he was banned. He was fine and we gave him his old moniker back.

 

[magnifier661]

I know they are they same person.

But I also believe that monikers should be judged separately. We didn't delete PapaG's new moniker after he was banned. He was fine and we gave him his old moniker back.

So you believe that Carlito has not been a troll then? I mean that's why Mixum was banned right?

 

[BBert]

The question of 'overrated' presupposes that there is a measurable or agreed-upon rating against which to compare their rating with 'reality'. We all rate their defense through our own lens, and based on our own opinion. How can one be overrated? In my opinion their defense is right at the level I believe it to be. And I rate their defense against this measure, accordingly.

So, not overrated.

 

[Further]

They play great D during the final few minutes of games, but during the bulk of play they simply aren't aggressive on D. That's fine, it's by design. Have a high powered offense with the ability to step it up during tight contests. I think both are excellent at certain types of D during stretches, but have some holes. Batum for example is amazing on smaller guys, he can spider-arm around them and really throw the offensive smalls for a loop, but Batum has a tough time going up against bigger players, especially strong ones.

But this season the D calls for man to man, which will never look great from a statistics perspective, but it does make sure that if any single player is going to go off, they are going to have to burn a lot of energy getting their looks. It also leaves our players with more energy late in the game since they don't always have to switch and double and all that Jazz. Hopefully, as time goes on and our players improve on D, Stotts will add some wrinkles to our defense. We need to double certain players at least some of the time.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Take it you missed Batum's 3 block shots against Miami?

Oh I forgot that blocks = defense. My bad.

 

[HailBlazers]

Oh I forgot that blocks = defense. My bad.

Obviously you did because they were straight up blocks not come from behind ones.

The question of 'overrated' presupposes that there is a measurable or agreed-upon rating against which to compare their rating with 'reality'. We all rate their defense through our own lens, and based on our own opinion. How can one be overrated? In my opinion their defense is right at the level I believe it to be. And I rate their defense against this measure, accordingly.

So, not overrated.

Truth. Thus why OP was trolling.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

They're obviously overrated by some, and underrated by others. Sometimes they do good, sometimes they do bad.

I would say that a good deal of posters here do overrate their defense though. Batum gets wrecked by stronger players, and Matthews can't keep up with fast ones.

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[magnifier661]

They're obviously overrated by some, and underrated by others. Sometimes they do good, sometimes they do bad.

I would say that a good deal of posters here do overrate their defense though. Batum gets wrecked by stronger players, and Matthews can't keep up with fast ones.

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That's why I think batum should be used on the quicker players and Matthews on the stronger ones.

 

[B-Roy]

I know they are they same person.

But I also believe that monikers should be judged separately. We didn't delete PapaG's new moniker after he was banned. He was fine and we gave him his old moniker back.

How exactly has "Carlito" been better than "Mixum"?

His signature practically admits he's just here for a reaction.

"One bad apple spoils the bunch"

Am I missing something here?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Are they overrated by Blazers fans? Sure, probably. Are they highly rated by neutral observers? Sometimes, maybe?

Overall, I'd say that Matthews is an effort guy with limited physical attributes, but is slightly above average as a wing defender and Nic has great physical gifts, but doesn't apply them consistently and is closer to average ... but performs worse than his physical gifts suggest he could (for whatever reason).

 

[TripTango]

Seems like [...] star players and quick guards. [T]hey were [...] solid defenders. They are [...] elite [...] guys.

Idk these last few games have [...] me as a fan.

Yes! I am as a fan of their elite games also!

Go Blazers!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How exactly has "Carlito" been better than "Mixum"?

His signature practically admits he's just here for a reaction.

"One bad apple spoils the bunch"

Am I missing something here?

Mixum was personally attacking people who disagreed with him. That's why Mixum was banned. Carlito has evolved for better or worse and expresses his attention getting negative opinions without attacking anyone.

I'm not defending the guy, personally he annoys the shit out of me. I wish he would go somewhere else like Oregonlive. But if he's not attacking or insulting people is being annoying reason enough to ban him? I don't feel comfortable making that jump. Hell, if annoying people becomes the standard Mediocre Man will have me banned from this forum.

 

[Further]

Mixum was personally attacking people who disagreed with him. That's why Mixum was banned. Carlito has evolved for better or worse and expresses his attention getting negative opinions without attacking anyone.

I'm not defending the guy, personally he annoys the shit out of me. I wish he would go somewhere else like Oregonlive. But if he's not attacking or insulting people is being annoying reason enough to ban him? I don't feel comfortable making that jump. Hell, if annoying people becomes the standard Mediocre Man will have me banned from this forum.

perhaps, but he is a troll (never says anything but negative shit about the Blazers) and he has been banned before. If he said all the negative things he says, but also pointed out positives now and again, I would be fine with him. But as it stands now, he is a huge detraction from this board. I think you mods are wrong to allow banned people to return with new names, but whatever. This thread is a decent discussion point, but would be much better coming from just about anyone else.

 

[WillG]

Wes is fairly solid at defense; mostly due to his effort.

Conversely, Batum is at best average due mainly to his lackadaisical attention, and also in part to his sporadic effort.
He shows spurts of elite defense, especially on smaller opponents, but at other times looks like he's not in the game or disinterested.
He looked completely lost on a few plays against the Heat.

The same could be said for Aldridge for that matter.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Wes is slightly overrated (on average) by the typical fan.

Batum is WAY overrated (on average) by the typical fan.

One constant with Wes = He will always try hard and he is absolutely doing his best, no matter what. He has lateral limitations that slow him while Batum is just a pussy and quits on D half the time and tries to get cute and block shots letting people blow past him. I think there is a reason we have Wes on LeBron a decent amount given the substantial size difference.

That said, Batum has the higher ceiling as a defender - although, I'm not sure he'll ever reach it at his current work rate.

 

[Carlito]

Not going to overreact to Portland finally losing one of those close games just because a chance to beat the LeBron-less Heat was squandered. The Blazers' slippage to No. 22 in defensive efficiency, by contrast, is fair game for dissection, because their D is where doubters get their fuel.


That's from Marc Stein nba power rankings

 

[Sinobas]

Wes somehow has a rep as being a good defender, but he's really not. He's a good post defender for a SG, which is nice, but he's kinda slow on the perimeter, doesn't have the long arms that make some guards good defenders. Batum does well in spurts, but can get blown by as well.

 

[dviss1]

I need a refund on this shit because it is not working...

 

[dviss1]

Wes somehow has a rep as being a good defender, but he's really not. He's a good post defender for a SG, which is nice, but he's kinda slow on the perimeter, doesn't have the long arms that make some guards good defenders. Batum does well in spurts, but can get blown by as well.

You don't know what your talking about on this one... Wesley is 6'5" and has a 6' 8.25" Wingspan. Now it's not nearly as long as Batum's but to say he doesn't have long arms is just false.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wesley-Matthews-5501/

 

[Draco]

You don't know what your talking about on this one... Wesley is 6'5" and has a 6' 8.25" Wingspan. Now it's not nearly as long as Batum's but to say he doesn't have long arms is just false.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wesley-Matthews-5501/

Yes, especially with all the PG sized guys such as Dragic, Eric Gordon, Derrick Rose, Lou Williams, OJ Mayo, Randy Foye, Wade playing at the two guard.

Wesley isn't an elite defending SG but its not because of length.

 

[BigGameDamian]

ESPN ranks Kevin Martin and Monta Ellis before Wes Mathews.