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DLee7283

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Blazers Trade
Raef LaFrentz
Travis Outlaw
Channing Frye

for
Heat Trade
Shawn Marion
Joel Anthony
 
Throwing in Frye seems like a little too much. I'd rather see Diagu get traded.

That being said, the Sactown game yesterday highlighted the need for a legit starting quality SF. Adding Marion would be an immediate upgrade on defense. I'd rather see us make a move for him before next summer (if he's on KP's free agent radar) so we can test him out before commiting to a long term deal.
 
well i dont think Miami would bite unless Channing was thrown in because they need a center and Diogku is less proven and a power forward


C-Oden/Pryzbillia/Anthony
PF-Aldridge/Diogku


seems like the Blazers wouldnt lose any real depth and Shawn can also play the 4
 
No way with Frye. Outlaw and Raef for Marion would work. Maybe a couple of 2nd rounders.
 
DLee7283 said:
Article about Marion and Blazers from last summer

http://winningtheturnoverbattle.blog...or-marion.html
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Talk about wild arsed speculation. The "mystery SF" mentioned in that article was never Marion but was in fact James Jones.

As for an actual trade for Marion, on talent and value alone Travis and Channing (with Raef thrown in to make salaries work) is a really good deal for Portland except for a couple of major red flags: Marion is in the last year of his contract, meaning he'd essentially be a rented player, secondly Marion wasn't happy playing third fiddle to Amare and Nash in Phoenix so why would he be happy playing third or fourth fiddle with this team?

I love Marion's game, but I just don't think it's very likely that KP would covet him.
 
I just don't think KP would trade both Frye and Outlaw for Marion especially when they would have to take another player they don't want back. I think LaFrenz+Outlaw plus a couple picks maybe our 1st and a 2nd round picks or maybe just a couple 2nd round picks because we have a ton of them in the next 3 years. I wouldn't mind trading for Marion at the deadline. The Blazers would get a chance to see how Marion works with the team and if he didn't workout they could just let Marion go and sign another FA.
 
it's_GO_time said:
I don't know if Ptd does it (I do) . . . but I can't imagine Frye being a deal breaker.
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Agreed. Frye is a nice guy and all, but is easily replaceable if we could get a legit starting SF. There's a chance he'd sign back here if we really wanted him back, and did one of those type of 'deals'.

At the right price, I wouldn't mind Marion if he was willing to accept his role and know Oden, Aldridge and Roy are the main guys on this team. Although that's exactly what got him out of Phoenix.
On talent alone, I'd do that deal and go with this lineup:

PG Roy
SG Rudy
SF Marion
PF Aldridge
C Oden

Sick..
 
I'd do Marty, Raef, Ike, future 1st for Marion, Future 2nd, filler who's contract is expiring.
If it doesn't work, we still get out of Ike and Marty's potential cap holds, 13 million for raef,and could let Marion walk and just make a huge splash in free agency, and we gain 3 roster spots.
I just think Outlaw is too valuable off of the bench as a spark.

Blake/Rodriguez/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Marion/Outlaw/Batum
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Przybilla

Hmm, after seeing that depth chart..too many good players, not enough minutes. We'd have to deal Frye so Outlaw can take more PF minutes and either Rudy slides over for some backup 3 mins to make room for Bayless at the 2 or Batum take some of the backup 3 time.

All in all, I don't think Matrix would be happy here.
 
Salmons moved up on my list of players I wouldn't mind getting. Maybe it was just his night but left me impressed. Unfortunately I can't see Sac trading him.
 
MAS RipCity said:
I'd do Marty, Raef, Ike, future 1st for Marion, Future 2nd, filler who's contract is expiring.
If it doesn't work, we still get out of Ike and Marty's potential cap holds, 13 million for raef,and could let Marion walk and just make a huge splash in free agency, and we gain 3 roster spots.
I just think Outlaw is too valuable off of the bench as a spark.
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I think this trade has some actual merit, but giving up a first and second round pick seems like a bit much when it would be just as easy to renounce Marty and Ike, let Raef walk and then just go out and make a run at Marion in Free agency, without having to give up picks. The only reason you'd blow the picks is if you thought that you'd have trouble luring Marion to sign here as a FA, in which case you'd still be worried that he'd walk at the end of the year if you acquired him through trade.

I'm not opposed to using draft picks to get guys, but burning them on trades for guys in the last year of their deal seems kind of risky.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Salmons moved up on my list of players I wouldn't mind getting. Maybe it was just his night but left me impressed. Unfortunately I can't see Sac trading him.
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He is the reason they were able to trade Artest, his time has come
 
alex42083 said:
Agreed. Frye is a nice guy and all, but is easily replaceable if we could get a legit starting SF. There's a chance he'd sign back here if we really wanted him back, and did one of those type of 'deals'.

At the right price, I wouldn't mind Marion if he was willing to accept his role and know Oden, Aldridge and Roy are the main guys on this team. Although that's exactly what got him out of Phoenix.
On talent alone, I'd do that deal and go with this lineup:

PG Roy
SG Rudy
SF Marion
PF Aldridge
C Oden

Sick..
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That is what you guys are not getting. He wants to be the #1 option!!!!!!! Not 4th!!!!! We do not need this guy!!! He will NEVER be a 4th option guy. You guys don't understand the importance of chemistry. Marion will RUIN our teams chemistry.
 
BenDavis503 said:
That is what you guys are not getting. He wants to be the #1 option!!!!!!! Not 4th!!!!! We do not need this guy!!! He will NEVER be a 4th option guy. You guys don't understand the importance of chemistry. Marion will RUIN our teams chemistry.
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I don't agree with any of this, except maybe that we do not need Marion.

Marion does not need to be the first option on a team, unless his whole career has been some sort of mirage.

Further, what has our "chemistry" got us so far? "Chemistry" is a bunch of bunk, especially on a team that's never made a playoff appearance and has a bunch of youngsters on the roster.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
I don't agree with any of this, except maybe that we do not need Marion.

Marion does not need to be the first option on a team, unless his whole career has been some sort of mirage.

Further, what has our "chemistry" got us so far? "Chemistry" is a bunch of bunk, especially on a team that's never made a playoff appearance and has a bunch of youngsters on the roster.

Ed O.
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Nice avatar... wow.

I will agree with the majority of sports casters, coaches, trainers, GM's and most people in sports that chemistry is VERY important to a team. Not sure why you clowns don't agree.

n00bs
 
BenDavis503 said:
I will agree with the majority of sports casters, coaches, trainers, GM's and most people in sports that chemistry is VERY important to a team. Not sure why you clowns don't agree.
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Probably because there's no evidence for it. Jordan was a "chemistry" nightmare, putting down his teammates and even getting into physical fights. His teams won six championships. Shaq and Kobe were often at each other's throats and they won three straight titles. The Oakland A's of the early-70s had a poisonous club house and won three championships in a row.

As Sandy Koufax once said: "In the end it all comes down to talent. You can talk all you want about intangibles, I just don't know what that means. Talent makes winners, not intangibles. Can nice guys win? Sure, nice guys can win - if they're nice guys with a lot of talent. Nice guys with a little talent finish fourth and nice guys with no talent finish last."
 
BenDavis503 said:
^^^ I got posts on other threads you can follow too homie!
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If I disagree with you on other threads, I'll be happy to reply and tell you why.

Sorry if my disagreeing with you twice (!!) in the same day hurts you deep inside. If disagreement bothers you, maybe discussion forums aren't your thing. Maybe you're more of a diary person! :)
 
Minstrel said:
Probably because there's no evidence for it. Jordan was a "chemistry" nightmare, putting down his teammates and even getting into physical fights. His teams won six championships. Shaq and Kobe were often at each other's throats and they won three straight titles. The Oakland A's of the early-70s had a poisonous club house and won three championships in a row.

As Sandy Koufax once said: "In the end it all comes down to talent. You can talk all you want about intangibles, I just don't know what that means. Talent makes winners, not intangibles. Can nice guys win? Sure, nice guys can win - if they're nice guys with a lot of talent. Nice guys with a little talent finish fourth and nice guys with no talent finish last."
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I love that quote, were you the one who had it as a sig at BBF?

Anyway, the "chemistry" thing does have to be considered since it's a player in the last year of his contract. If he's not happy, there's a chance he walks. Everything Portland gives up in this trade makes it too risky for a potential rent-a-player. If he were to agree to a one year extension that's be a whole 'nother story.
 
Gerald Wallace

I've been up and down just about every roster and trying to figure out who would be the perfect fit. Perimeter defense being one of our weaknesses, I think Gerald Wallace would be a great fit. Vet experince, can score if need be and of course an above average defender. I think how he would fit in with this core would be a bit of a question for me.

I think having an answer to defend Kobe, Posey, McGrady, basically top Western Conference threats is about the only big weakness I see with this team.

His contract is not the greatest. 9M for the next 4 years is a bit high, IMO. I've never been in love with Travis' BBIQ but he seems to fit in very well with the 2nd unit. What if you traded away TO, started Gerald Wallace and had Martel come off the bench with the 2nd unit ?

Otherwise, the list of FA's for 09 does not excite me at all. Unless the Big Three were all on board to go after Kobe. I'm not a big Kobe guy, but if the Big Three were on board, I'd be OK with it.

Marion ? Thanks, but no thanks. Turkgolu ? Maybe .
 
BenDavis503 said:
Nice avatar... wow.

I will agree with the majority of sports casters, coaches, trainers, GM's and most people in sports that chemistry is VERY important to a team. Not sure why you clowns don't agree.

n00bs
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Are you fucking kidding me?

Stick your dick back in your pants. We don't need to see that thing.
 
Hell Yes I'd trade Outlaw and Fry for Marion. Maybe Marion is a rent a player or maybe he is the perfect fit I really don't know. I do know Outlaw and Fry are both far inferior.
 
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