Would you accept Batum for Monroe? (1 Viewer)

[magnifier661]

In his scenario it is LMA plus Drummond or Batum plus Monroe Mags. Keep up

P.S. Not saying it is realistic.

I know exactly what he's saying, but I ignored the possibility of Drummond. SO the realistic scenario is Batum + Monroe or Aldridge + Monroe.

 

[magnifier661]

Green font? "Poor defenders" cannot do this:

[video=youtube;qHeLM-PgGyk]

Anyone can pull out highlights.

[video=youtube;ts7_TreZC5M]

 

[Pinwheel1]

Everyone wants Paul George. (Lakers would kill for him) We might as well stop mentioning him as an option. It's just not going to happen.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Green font? "Poor defenders" cannot do this:

[video=youtube;qHeLM-PgGyk]

Yep, poor defenders never block shots. Also, playing defense doesn't mean blocked shots

 

[dviss1]

I don't think you understand what "defense" means...

Agreed. Aldridge is a liability on defense IMHO. He is a lazy defender. He makes me want to say "Swiper stop swiping!" (a la Dora the Explorer)
when he lazily fouls someone instead of attempting a block.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Agreed. Aldridge is a liability on defense IMHO. He is a lazy defender. He makes me want to say "Swiper stop swiping!" (a la Dora the Explorer)
when he lazily fouls someone instead of attempting a block.

Yet top 5 in FG% against in the paint

 

[dviss1]

Yep, poor defenders never block shots. Also, playing defense doesn't mean blocked shots

Wat? Your avatar is telling the truth me thinks.

 

[magnifier661]

Agreed. Aldridge is a liability on defense IMHO. He is a lazy defender. He makes me want to say "Swiper stop swiping!" (a la Dora the Explorer)
when he lazily fouls someone instead of attempting a block.

as blue9 would say

I don't think you understand what "defense" means...

 

[magnifier661]

Yet top 5 in FG% against in the paint

People overlook that. It's only blocking shots and they don't give a shit about man on man D.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Wat? Your avatar is telling the truth me thinks.

I keep telling people, and most already know that I know nothing about anything, including the game of basketball. It's silly of you to even lower yourself to argue with me

 

[dviss1]

Anyone can pull out highlights.

Mags, I like Greg Monroe. However he and LA do the same thing. When I brought my highlight out, it was in response to MM saying Batum couldn't play Defense.
Then I show him blocking the shot of the best player in the league. My Highlight was to prove a point. Your highlight tape actually proves my point:

Monroe would take touches in the post away from LMA on offense, and he doesn't protect the rim so the paring would not be a good one defensively.
We should be trying to get Drummond not Monroe. That being said BOTH guys are a pipe dream.

On to the next.

 

[dviss1]

People overlook that. It's only blocking shots and they don't give a shit about man on man D.

Greg Monroe is an abhorrent OTB defender.

 

[magnifier661]

Mags, I like Greg Monroe. However he and LA do the same thing. When I brought my highlight out, it was in response to MM saying Batum couldn't play Defense.
Then I show him blocking the shot of the best player in the league. My Highlight was to prove a point. Your highlight tape actually proves my point:

Monroe would take touches in the post away from LMA on offense, and he doesn't protect the rim so the paring would not be a good one defensively.
We should be trying to get Drummond not Monroe. That being said BOTH guys are a pipe dream.

On to the next.

But having Monroe could give us a lot of tradable assets. We could even trade Aldridge later if we had to. Or maybe Monroe with another player. Who knows even Leonard or other players.

A good big is way more valuable than a wing unless that wing is a superstar. Fortunately, Detroit has too many bigs and no wings.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Everyone wants Paul George. (Lakers would kill for him) We might as well stop mentioning him as an option. It's just not going to happen.

We may not get him. But that is fair compensation for LMA which is all I am pointing out (example of trading Batum for Monroe and then LMA for a SG or SF).

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Deal Nic for Monroe and LA to Houston for Chandler/Asik, then figure out whatever other parts are necessary to make it a fair deal all around. Asik/Monroe/Parsons frontline.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If I were Detroit I would make that trade in a heart beat with Drummond and Smith on the team.

For Portland it would be OK. I see pros and cons. At 6'11" 250 Monroe needs to turn himself into a center. He attacks the basket well. If he could guard centers I would love the deal. Can he?

 

[dviss1]

But having Monroe could give us a lot of tradable assets. We could even trade Aldridge later if we had to. Or maybe Monroe with another player. Who knows even Leonard or other players.

A good big is way more valuable than a wing unless that wing is a superstar. Fortunately, Detroit has too many bigs and no wings.

Saying we could get Monroe for Batum is saying that BATUM is the tradeable asset right? I just don't see us trading our starting defensive stopper for redundancy.
How are you going to keep Aldridge happy by trading for someone who's going to make his numbers/touches go down?

 

[dviss1]

Deal Nic for Monroe and LA to Houston for Chandler/Asik, then figure out whatever other parts are necessary to make it a fair deal all around. Asik/Monroe/Parsons frontline.

See!? Now you're talking! Form a team don't just put players together. I would do those moves. This officially hands the keys to Lillard.

 

[Natebishop3]

Saying we could get Monroe for Batum is saying that BATUM is the tradeable asset right? I just don't see us trading our starting defensive stopper for redundancy.
How are you going to keep Aldridge happy by trading for someone who's going to make his numbers/touches go down?

Assuming Detroit makes the deal, you do it because then you can turn around and trade Aldridge. If you bring in Monroe, Aldridge becomes much easier to trade and hopefully we are able to bring back some really good assets in the process. If not, you play them together and you aren't hurt quite so bad if he leaves in a couple years.

 

[magnifier661]

Saying we could get Monroe for Batum is saying that BATUM is the tradeable asset right? I just don't see us trading our starting defensive stopper for redundancy.
How are you going to keep Aldridge happy by trading for someone who's going to make his numbers/touches go down?

Batum is a valuable tradable asset; but we have players that can play SF. Maybe not as well, but good enough. The return you would get for Aldridge or Monroe with a player would be more valuable than Batum, IMO.

 

[magnifier661]

Deal Nic for Monroe and LA to Houston for Chandler/Asik, then figure out whatever other parts are necessary to make it a fair deal all around. Asik/Monroe/Parsons frontline.

You could probably just make it a 3 team deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjrxkdb

I will say this line-up ain't half bad.

PG: Lillard, CJ, Watson
SG: Matthews, CJ, Barton, Crabbe
SF: Wright, Claver, Matthews
PF: Monroe, T. Rob, Freeland
Center: Asik, Lopez, Leonard

 

[dviss1]

Assuming Detroit makes the deal, you do it because then you can turn around and trade Aldridge. If you bring in Monroe, Aldridge becomes much easier to trade and hopefully we are able to bring back some really good assets in the process. If not, you play them together and you aren't hurt quite so bad if he leaves in a couple years.

You would only do this move if you had designs on moving Lamarcus. Monroe is a starter and wants to remain one. He and Lamarcus would not work together. They play the same position. It's a move I would consider though only if we could get a significant SF back for LA.

I don't agree at all with a Monroe/Aldridge frontcourt. I also don't see it happening anyway.

 

[Boise Blazer]

You could probably just make it a 3 team deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjrxkdb

I will say this line-up ain't half bad.

PG: Lillard, CJ, Watson
SG: Matthews, CJ, Barton, Crabbe
SF: Wright, Claver, Matthews
PF: Monroe, T. Rob, Freeland
Center: Asik, Lopez, Leonard

According to your trade you forgot Parsons in your lineup

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't agree at all with a Monroe/Aldridge frontcourt. I also don't see it happening anyway.

If we can live with Hickson and Aldridge, I think we can live with Monroe and Aldridge for a little while.

 

[dviss1]

You could probably just make it a 3 team deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjrxkdb

I will say this line-up ain't half bad.

PG: Lillard, CJ, Watson
SG: Matthews, CJ, Barton, Crabbe
SF: Wright, Claver, Matthews
PF: Monroe, T. Rob, Freeland
Center: Asik, Lopez, Leonard

This makes much more sense.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You could probably just make it a 3 team deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjrxkdb

the way you formed it wouldn't work though, because Houston would be taking back way more salary than the CBA would allow. It would have to be something more like this.

HOU out--Asik/Jones/Parsons
HOU in--Aldridge/Barton

DET out--Monroe/Villanueva
DET in--Batum/Freeland

POR out--Aldridge/Batum/Freeland/Barton
POR in--Asik/Monroe/Parsons/Jones/Villanueva

EDIT: To increase the salary disparity threshold, HOU and DET could also do a Stuckey/Lin swap (if each team were interested in such a thing)

 

[dviss1]

If we can live with Hickson and Aldridge, I think we can live with Monroe and Aldridge for a little while.

But that's the point. We couldn't live with Hickson and Aldridge. The Hickson/Aldridge frontcourt makes LMA want to leave.
Remember what he asked for in the offseason right?

 

[magnifier661]

According to your trade you forgot Parsons in your lineup

Oops. Yeah I think he'd be starting

 

[magnifier661]

the way you formed it wouldn't work though, because Houston would be taking back way more salary than the CBA would allow. It would have to be something more like this.

HOU out--Asik/Jones/Parsons
HOU in--Aldridge/Barton

DET out--Monroe/Villanueva
DET in--Batum/Freeland

POR out--Aldridge/Batum/Freeland/Barton
POR in--Asik/Monroe/Parsons/Jones/Villanueva

I would be happy with that scenario. It would be nice to get rid of freeland too! Makes the deal much better IMO.

 

[dviss1]

the way you formed it wouldn't work though, because Houston would be taking back way more salary than the CBA would allow. It would have to be something more like this.

HOU out--Asik/Jones/Parsons
HOU in--Aldridge/Barton

DET out--Monroe/Villanueva
DET in--Batum/Freeland

POR out--Aldridge/Batum/Freeland/Barton
POR in--Asik/Monroe/Parsons/Jones/Villanueva

EDIT: To increase the salary disparity threshold, HOU and DET could also do a Stuckey/Lin swap (if each team were interested in such a thing)

This way we keep Barton:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lppxzwn