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Embiid for CJ and Nurk?

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Cramming for an NBA Draft on Youtube. Edwards does look real good. Already got the body and athleticism. Could become a dominant player at the next level. Does make you think if , and it's a big if, the Blazers end up in lottery and get 1st pick. Of course id rather the NBA finish the regular season, Blazers get in the Playoffs, and now healthy, wreak havoc and win the Trophy.
 
tykendo said:
True, i did get off track by responding to that trade idea. But i don't trade a proven, CJ, for an unproven, Edwards, unless you are 99.9% sure he is a generational talent. I don't watch alot of college bball, so enlighten me, is Edwards a generational talent prospect?
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Edwards is in my opinion the best prospect out of this draft in term of actually showing the numbers and skills. At 6 foot 5 with a strong 6 foot 9 wingspan he’s more of a power guard. His jump shot is a beauty. His most common comparison is a bigger, badder Victor Oladipo or a bigger Donovan Mitchell. He clearly has the talent to be a top 3 shooting guard. If he can learn not to take plays off on the defensive end then he will be a top 10 maybe even top 5 player in the league. So with that being said, yes CJ is a proven scorer but that is all he gonna be. He just a 20ppg player who isn’t that good on defense. Trent was threatening for his starting role before the season got suspended. So if we draft Edwards it would be Trent that would be starting and having Edwards off the bench would be awesome. And we can always trade CJ for another proven player like a wing that we so desperately need. Let go trade for Simmons or even Khris Middleton. CJ is very much our version of Monta Ellis, he’s holding us back in taking that next step to a true championship contender. Fans need to quit thinking he’s our Klay Thompson because he is not
 
After watching the mock draft, and video footage, Edwards looks really good, as does Obi Toppen. Like what i see in him. Vassell looks like a quality pick that might be there when the Blazers pick. I like what i see in international sensation Deni Avdija. He looks very very good. That mock on CBS Sports had our Blazers picking Leandro Bolmara, who, to me, looks like a total stiff. He doesn't look like a fluid player at all. That being said, i'm no draft guru.
 
Most overrated IMO, will be LaMarshmello Ball. Looks like another Ball with an ugly jump shot stroke. His brother Lonzo did improve his shooting, and looks like he's moved away from that hitch in his shot. Lonzo actually has become a pretty good NBA ball player.
 
Speaking of CJ, has anyone noticed how much his body has developed, and how he looks like a full 3 inches taller than Dame now. He still has development left in his game as well ,IMO, and i know he has the hunger to continue to get better.
 
I am all for having CJ back for one more season. I think this team deserves a shot when it’s heathy. But next year have to be Make it or break it season. In order for the blazers to make it they need a starting small forward. Ariza have done great for us but he is getting old. Hood was doing fine before he got hurt but because of the type of injury he suffered we don’t know how good he will be. With that being said we could go with a committee approach with Ariza, Hood, and Little. We would still win games but I feel it won’t be enough to get to the finals. So that’s why I think we need to trade for OG Anunoby. He the kind of guy I would overpay for a legit shot at a championship. I would trade both of our picks for him. And whatever else it take to get him
 
I’d love to see Little break out but Stotts will probably pull him whenever he does something wrong.
 
A deal that would make more sense would be a CJ/pick for Simmons swap. May need to throw in a young guy like Anfernee, but I could see something like that IF Olshey wasn’t the GM.
 
Scalma said:
A deal that would make more sense would be a CJ/pick for Simmons swap. May need to throw in a young guy like Anfernee, but I could see something like that IF Olshey wasn’t the GM.
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Again, it makes sense for us, but there's NO WAY Philly would do that.
 
Scalma said:
Hell no. Embiid isn’t that much of an upgrade over Nurk
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Rastapopoulos said:
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numbers don’t. You’d essentially be sacrificing CJ for maybe a slight upgrade at a position that doesn’t need an upgrade. And that’s assuming Embiid comes over and transfers his game, because the chemistry Dame has with Nurk on the court is something he hasn’t had with any other center he’s played with.
 
Scalma said:
A deal that would make more sense would be a CJ/pick for Simmons swap. May need to throw in a young guy like Anfernee, but I could see something like that IF Olshey wasn’t the GM.
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That doesn't make sense to me either, since Simmons would have to take the ball out of Dame's hands to be most effective, which is worse. When Dame has the ball in his hands, Simmons makes it tougher on him than C.J. would.

Basically, in order for our 2nd best player to be most effective, the team would have to be worse. I don't want two non-shooters out on the floor with Dame, and I'm not a fan of turning Nurkic into a unicorn and having him chuck 3s in order to try to fix that. That'd be making Nurkic less effective in order to offset Simmons being a poor off-ball fit next to Dame. I just don't see a properly optimized lineup around Dame with Simmons on the roster.
 
Trading C.J. only makes sense for a notable upgrade at the 2, 3, or 4. But only if that upgrade would also be a good fit next to Dame.

I can't think of an available player that fits that mold, therefore, it makes sense to bring C.J. back next season.
 
Scalma said:
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numbers don’t. You’d essentially be sacrificing CJ for maybe a slight upgrade at a position that doesn’t need an upgrade. And that’s assuming Embiid comes over and transfers his game, because the chemistry Dame has with Nurk on the court is something he hasn’t had with any other center he’s played with.
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I guess you don't think "VORP" means anything, because Embiid's is 35% higher than Nurk's. And Embiid has never played with a PG like Dame who complements his game so perfectly.

Anyway, it's moot, because it's not going to happen.
 
Embiid has a whackadoo aspect to him that i don't feel is good at all for the chemistry of this team. He's a "ME" guy IMO.
 
tykendo said:
Embiid has a whackadoo aspect to him that i don't feel is good at all for the chemistry of this team. He's a "ME" guy IMO.
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People said the same thing (or worse) about Whiteside. And I don't think any player who is defensively elite can be fairly called "me-first".
 
Rastapopoulos said:
People said the same thing (or worse) about Whiteside. And I don't think any player who is defensively elite can be fairly called "me-first".
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I think Michael Jordan was both elite defensively and extremely "me first." Of course, I'd still want him on my team and the same goes for Embiid.
 
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numbers don’t. You’d essentially be sacrificing CJ for maybe a slight upgrade at a position that doesn’t need an upgrade. And that’s assuming Embiid comes over and transfers his game, because the chemistry Dame has with Nurk on the court is something he hasn’t had with any other center he’s played with.
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Exactly. I'm okay with that as I think the team would be better with more defense at the SG position. In consolidation trades, it's rarely 1+1=2. More like 1+1=1.5, but that's okay as the discussion isn't CJ+Nurk<Embiid, it's CJ+Nurk<Embidd+TrentJr (or some other SG).
 
Reep said:
Exactly. I'm okay with that as I think the team would be better with more defense at the SG position. In consolidation trades, it's rarely 1+1=2. More like 1+1=1.5, but that's okay as the discussion isn't CJ+Nurk<Embiid, it's CJ+Nurk<Embidd+TrentJr (or some other SG).
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I’ll take CJ and Nurk, and that’s coming from trents biggest fan and someone who doesn’t care about CJ. That trade just isn’t close to equal value. You can find a trade for CJ without dumping Nurk in the process. Nurk and Dame should be the pillars of the franchise moving forward.
 
Scalma said:
I’ll take CJ and Nurk, and that’s coming from trents biggest fan and someone who doesn’t care about CJ. That trade just isn’t close to equal value. You can find a trade for CJ without dumping Nurk in the process. Nurk and Dame should be the pillars of the franchise moving forward.
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I completely respect this point of view and Nurk would be the part that would be the most painful. Time will tell which of Nurk or Embiid will be the healthier and more productive over the next five years.
 
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numbers don’t. You’d essentially be sacrificing CJ for maybe a slight upgrade at a position that doesn’t need an upgrade. And that’s assuming Embiid comes over and transfers his game, because the chemistry Dame has with Nurk on the court is something he hasn’t had with any other center he’s played with.
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I wanted to do some similar comparisons from last years Sixers team since you used last season and i see the one in the pic below. I even used this season where Redick was worse than 18/19. Can we say CJ is not a big upgrade over Redick in terms of value?


We shouldn't underestimate the bad fit of Embiid/Simmons. Embiid is an elite player, an All Star lock, an All Nba lock and an all nba defensive team lock.



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CJ + resigned Whiteside for Embiid would be very interesting, at least to me.
 
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