Would you give up Batum to get Rondo?

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Batum and Felton for Rondo?

  • Yes please!

    Votes: 34 69.4%

  • No thanks.

    Votes: 15 30.6%
  • Total voters
    49
Rondo is over-rated. Playing with 3 future HOF'ers tends to do that.
 
tlong beat me to it.

When he's playing with 3 HoFers, then he's pretty damn elite. When he's only playing with two HoFers, he's on par with Devin Harris.

Tom Haberstroh already looked at this:
So let's dig deeper into those gaudy assist totals and see whether we can separate what is Rondo and what isn't. One way to zoom in on his true talent is to remove a Hall of Famer from the equation. What happens to Rondo's assist rates when one of Boston's Big Three leaves the floor?

Consider this: When Ray Allen was on the court, Rondo tallied 11.4 assists per 36 minutes. When Ray Allen left the court?

8.0 assists per 36 minutes -- the equivalent of Devin Harris' rate last season.

That's an enormous effect. Put another way, 30 percent of Rondo's assists vanished when Allen stepped off the court. And that wasn't an isolated bruise, either; he Boston offense took a considerable hit as well. The Celtics' offensive efficiency dropped from a blistering 108.6 points per 100 possessions to a meager 102.7 points when Rondo saw Allen leave the court.

And Pierce? We saw a similar drop-off in Rondo's assists when the small forward hit the bench and an even more dramatic slide in the overall team context. When Pierce hit the pine, Rondo's assist rate fell from 11.2 to 9.2 and the offense suffered greatly, dropping from 110.2 points per 100 possessions to a subterranean 95.0 points per 100 possessions. Yes, that's a 15.2-point drop-off.

For teams interested in Rondo, these on-court relationships should weigh heavily in the scouting report. In Allen, Rondo has one of the best spot-up shooters of all time and, perhaps more importantly, a magician off the ball. Pierce has carved out one of the most crafty offensive arsenals in the game. Without them by his side, the Boston offense was completely neutered.

That shouldn't happen with a top-flight point guard.
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Wow, I am surprised there are so many yeses. Rondo is being shopped for a reason. He also can't hit a jumper to save his life. Batum is better overall for sure
 
Mediocre Man said:
Wow, I am surprised there are so many yeses. Rondo is being shopped for a reason. He also can't hit a jumper to save his life. Batum is better overall for sure
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I'm always amazed at the ones who mock and bash our coaches, players, ownership, and front office for poor decisions, inabilities, etc. And bash our fan base for over rating some, but then they too have that inability to trade away the potential and the unknown for a very good known quantity.
 
RR7 said:
I'm always amazed at the ones who mock and bash our coaches, players, ownership, and front office for poor decisions, inabilities, etc. And bash our fan base for over rating some, but then they too have that inability to trade away the potential and the unknown for a very good known quantity.
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Do you really think Batum is "unknown"? I view Rondo as more of an unknown because of the old saying Snapper used to say. Be wary of players that put up stats on a good team. Most of the time when they go to a worse team, they are exposed
 
Mediocre Man said:
Do you really think Batum is "unknown"? I view Rondo as more of an unknown because of the old saying Snapper used to say. Be wary of players that put up stats on a good team. Most of the time when they go to a worse team, they are exposed
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That saying doesn't make any sense, but I get your drift. :lol:
 
Yes and it's not even close. Rondo is an All Star point guard who has led his team to the Finals twice and has nearly averaged a triple double in a playoff series. Batum is a backup SF who disappears in the playoffs.
 
Wait, Batum AND Felton? That's different. I would trade Batum for Rondo, but if we're losing Felton too (who could go elsewhere in a trade for another player or be our backup), I'm not so sure.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Do you really think Batum is "unknown"? I view Rondo as more of an unknown because of the old saying Snapper used to say. Be wary of players that put up stats on a good team. Most of the time when they go to a worse team, they are exposed
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It's the other way around. Be wary of players who put up big stats on BAD teams. It's easy to get stats during garbage time. But delivering numbers to help win big game after big game? That is what's impressive. Furthermore, Boston is a good team BECAUSE of Rondo. Without him, they'd be pedestrian.
 
BrianFromWA said:
tlong beat me to it.

When he's playing with 3 HoFers, then he's pretty damn elite. When he's only playing with two HoFers, he's on par with Devin Harris.

Tom Haberstroh already looked at this:
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Well duh, if you have no one to pass to, your numbers will go down. But Rondo will have two huge targets in Oden and Aldridge so I don't understand why we're wondering how Rondo would be if our best player were Harvey Grant. That's not the case.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm a huge Rondo fan (he's one of my fave non-Blazers) but I'd be seriously torn. Having watched Batum improve over the Summer and at Nancy... he could be ready to break out.

Or, he could remain maddeningly inconsistent.
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We don't need Batum to break out. We have Gerald Wallace who is worlds better.
 
By the way, the playoff series I which Rondo nearly averaged a triple double? KG was hurt and did not play. Rondo stepped up.
 
tlongII said:
That saying doesn't make any sense, but I get your drift. :lol:
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Wow, it was late when I typed that. He didn't say that at all. He said be wary of players that put up good stats on a bad team. Rondo puts up good stats on a good team, but I think they would go down a bit without the three HOFers he is playing with. NIc is still the better overall player, IMO
 
KingSpeed said:
Yes and it's not even close. Rondo is an All Star point guard who has led his team to the Finals twice and has nearly averaged a triple double in a playoff series. Batum is a backup SF who disappears in the playoffs.
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ERik, Rondo hasn't led his team to the finals ever. Those 3 HOFers have. NO one actively shops a guy like that
 
Rondo is the best player on that team, and has been for the last two years. He is one of the main reasons why LBJ is no longer in Cleveland.
 
I'd push for a Wallace/Felton/change deal first, which maybe they go for? The Celtics need an infusion of energy and they would probably like the shooting upgrade at the point. But if it comes down to Batum, that's a deal you have to make imo. Point guards and centers are the toughest positions to upgrade, and Rondo is a top 5 point with a long career in front of him. If you really believe Batum can become our 2nd All Star, that all good teams have, then I guess you pass. I just don't see it.
 
No frikkin way Rondo is a top 5 point guard! Dude can't shoot! Point guard is the most overrated position on the court anyway. Neither team in the NBA Finals last year had a decent PG.
 
this thread is just as productive as "Would you give up Elliot Williams for Dwight Howard?" would be.
 
I like how a rumor of the Celtics using Rondo to try to get Chris Paul has turned into Danny Ainge desperately trying to get rid of him.
 
44Thrilla said:
this thread is just as productive as "Would you give up Elliot Williams for Dwight Howard?" would be.
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Except Batum is as valuable as Rondo


Rondo can't shoot a jumper to save his life, and his team is actively shopping him for a reason
 
Mediocre Man said:
Except Batum is as valuable as Rondo


Rondo can't shoot a jumper to save his life, and his team is actively shopping him for a reason
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Your opinion officially means nothing to me, and for good reason.
 
rondo sets off my gaydar

so does nolan smith
 
44Thrilla said:
Your opinion officially means nothing to me, and for good reason.
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His stats aren't that good, and being surrounded by 3 future HOFers should inflate them. Which ever team ends up with him will get a good PG, but not someone who can carry a team by himself.
 
tlongII said:
No frikkin way Rondo is a top 5 point guard! Dude can't shoot! Point guard is the most overrated position on the court anyway. Neither team in the NBA Finals last year had a decent PG.
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I think you're right in a sense. Positions aren't really defined like they were. Low post presence and playmakers are the two essentials. Rondo is a first rate playmaker. I don't think it's within Batum to get there. And we really need a first rate perimeter playmaker.
 
tlongII said:
No frikkin way Rondo is a top 5 point guard! Dude can't shoot! Point guard is the most overrated position on the court anyway. Neither team in the NBA Finals last year had a decent PG.
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So Jason Kidd won't be going in the hall of fame? That's a bit of a surprise. And I guess Miami didn't need a PG because they had "the Big Three". Wait, remind me, Miami did win, right? Because you don't need a PG if you have THE BIG THREE...
 
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