Would you give up Batum to get Rondo?

[Masbee]

he made 10.8M last year.

And maybe, after a guy's made 60+M in his career, he'd give a hometown discount to play with his friend(s) and in the Northwest.

Ha ha ha ha.

List the players who have given the Blazers a "hometown" discount to stay with the team for FAR less than they were offered elsewhere.


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[BrianFromWA]

You could turn that around and say, "how many FA's of Crawford's caliber have openly lobbied to come here?"

Assuming the money makes sense, it wouldn’t be very difficult for the Blazers to convince Jamal Crawford to join their team. He’s fully on board with the idea. From the Oregonian: “Free agent guard Jamal Crawford says he wants to come to Portland and he openly lobbied to do so at Aldridge’s charity event Sunday. Crawford, an 11-year professional from Seattle who averaged 14.2 points and 3.2 assists for the Atlanta Hawks last season, said the Blazers are like a ‘hometown’ team and his preferred destination.

or

"I've been watching the Blazers so long with Brandon (Roy) being one of my best friends,” Crawford told CBSSports.com. “With LaMarcus here, Wes (Matthews) and Ray (Felton), it's almost close to a hometown team. I'm from Seattle. It's the closest thing we have to basketball right now.

And I don't recall our players going out in a full-court press scenario before for another free agent, but I wasn't around for much of the 90's.

I'm assuming that you don't think Miller is Crawford-caliber?

 

[Masbee]

You could turn that around and say, "how many FA's of Crawford's caliber have openly lobbied to come here?"



or

And I don't recall our players going out in a full-court press scenario before for another free agent, but I wasn't around for much of the 90's.

I'm assuming that you don't think Miller is Crawford-caliber?

What does any of this have to do with a handful of poster setting up a silly strawman claim:

Not using the amnesty on Roy this summer will prevent the Blazers from signing a desirable free agent this summer.

That unlikely scenario assumes that $5mil per year is more than enough money to lure a good player. There is little evidence to support such a claim.

Crawford saying Roy is his best friend undermines the argument.

Miller was signed with cap space - not the MLE. Miller signed with the team that offered him the most money. There was no discount.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Looks like Crawford will be in the range of 8 million or so a year according to a tweet I saw a while ago

 

[RR7]

Which means amnesty or not doesn't get us there.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Which means amnesty or not doesn't get us there.

Yep. If he signs for over the full MLE, we had no shot to begin with. Now the only thing to discuss is either using the full MLE or the partial one on other player(s)

 

[RR7]

Yep. If he signs for over the full MLE, we had no shot to begin with. Now the only thing to discuss is either using the full MLE or the partial one on other player(s)

If they are unsure on Roy, or unsure on other players available to us, I think what makes the most sense is negotiating as if you have both. If you find someone you really really like at the 5, then you amnesty Roy. And, maybe everyone you like in that range goes for slightly more, then you don't HAVE to amnesty him. I know we need to waive him to use the 5. But there's nothing that says we can't offer it. I imagine amnesty is a quick process. Not some week long thing. Landry says hey, I got a full MLE offer I like, but prefer playing in Portland for the same. If Blazer brass likes it, ok, waive Roy. Sign him.

 

[Masbee]

Yep. If he signs for over the full MLE, we had no shot to begin with. Now the only thing to discuss is either using the full MLE or the partial one on other player(s)

Sign and Trade?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Bill Simmons trashes the Celtics over dangling Rondo:

As a Celtics fan, I'm horrified by how they are handling this — publicly, they're saying they aren't shopping Rondo, and privately they're dangling Rondo to New Orleans and EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. Seriously, what are the odds they can pull that trade off? 20-to-1? That's worth putting Rondo in a funk for the entire 2011-12 season? Remember, this is the same guy who went into a shooting tailspin after one harmless Obama joke.3 And by the way, didn't Rondo take less money to stay last season? That doesn't matter at all? Really, it's all business all the time? That's the best way to run a basketball team?

In general, it feels like the Celtics organization has lost touch with what made that team special — the chemistry between their best guys and their coach — starting with Ray Allen getting shopped for two straight trade deadlines, continuing with last February's brutally cold Perkins trade, then cresting with this Rondo debacle. Why would any Celtic feel safe at this point? How can Doc Rivers preach "ubuntu" with a straight face after the past two years? Does ubuntu mean, "Togetherness … unless we're trying to trade you?"

Hey Danny? If you really want to blow this up, then have the balls to actually do it — use your amnesty on Garnett (who's never making it through that inhumane 66-game schedule they released yesterday, much less nine weeks of playoff games with one day's rest between each game), try to sign Tyson Chandler, then try to trade Rondo, O'Neal's contract, two no. 1 picks and $3 million for Paul, and hope that Paul and Chandler say, "Cool, let's play in Boston together!" Sure, you'd be taking a mammoth shit on Garnett — the guy who made basketball relevant in Boston again — but at this point, what's the difference? You shit on Perkins last February and you're shitting on Rondo now. Why not add KG to the list? Either way, the Celtics made their bed here: Chris Paul or no Chris Paul, they're probably going to have to trade Rondo this season just because they handled the entire year so poorly. If you were Rondo, would you want to remain with this franchise? I sure wouldn't.

When he's right, which happens occasionally, he's right.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

It's kind of a knock on Rondo when you consider it'd be him plus many other pieces (Green/2 first rounders) for a player who doesn't have a meniscus in his left knee.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

It's kind of a knock on Rondo when you consider it'd be him plus many other pieces (Green/2 first rounders) for a player who doesn't have a meniscus in his left knee.

Chris Paul had the best PER in the playoffs of any player, I believe. He was easily the best player in the Lakers-NOH series - and it wasn't close.
But the only reason those other players are being included is because Rondo earns way less than Paul. And one of the reasons NOH doesn't want to do it is because those other players are just dead weight. (If the picks were for in about 3 years, they'd be lottery picks. But of course, the Hornets might not even exist then.)

 

[Denny Crane]

Batum isn't near enough value to get Rondo. Rondo playing with scrubs may not be so great, but on another team, he'd be passing to starters, too. Rondo's assists are amazing because he doesn't dominate the ball like many other PGs do. Pierce plays a lot of point forward.

What the stats don't measure is his defense.

He can't shoot, but he can score in the paint. Really well for a small guy.

Boston might consider trading him because their bench isn't very good, the big three are well past their primes, and Rondo has enough trade value to bring eventual replacements for those three.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Batum isn't near enough value to get Rondo.

Maybe not. But then again, I would've said that Telfair wasn't near enough value to get Boston's draft pick...

And a lot of people really like Batum. Including the San Antonio Spurs, who know quality.

What the stats don't measure is his defense.

Hey, I'm a huge Rondo fan. But he can be abused, because he's small. He's very fast and pesty and gets lots of steals, but somebody like Andre Miller can abuse him in the post. So he's not good at every aspect of defense.

He can't shoot, but he can score in the paint. Really well for a small guy.

Agreed. And while teams know this and sag WAY off him, he manages to get there anyway.

Boston might consider trading him because their bench isn't very good, the big three are well past their primes, and Rondo has enough trade value to bring eventual replacements for those three.

Um - you're not going to get more than (at best) a replacement for ONE of them. People quickly forget how fucking good each one of them was. Who's the "least" of the three? Ray Allen? He carried a Seattle team practically single-handedly deep into the playoffs and has one of the purest shots of all time, and good enough hops to compete in the slam dunk contest. He's gone mano-a-mano with Kobe Bryant and not been embarrassed.

Rondo's like a Dennis Rodman. Amazing player, but has to be in the right environment that can accentuate his positives and hide his flaws.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't at all suggest Boston is going to find 3 HOF caliber replacements, but there's a HUGE drop off from those three to their backups.

Trading Rondo to get players that are significant upgrades over Marquis Daniels and Jermaine O'Neal, and a starter to replace Rondo is how they can rebuild on the fly.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

I would trade Batum and Felton plus a pick. This trade works financially. Then I would dump Camby - taking a huge risk that Roy will pan out - and figure out how to land Nene:

Rondo
Roy
Wallace
LMA
Nene

Strong defensive team to surround Roy's lack of defense.
And if Oden can work his way back - we have something special.

Then if we could somehow pick up JJ Beraera (sp?) to add depth at PG and excitement off the bench.....

 

[Rastapopoulos]

*bump*

I suggested this before Felton TOTALLY DESTROYED ALL VALUE HE MIGHT HAVE HAD, but Boston has actually played better without Rondo than with him (I believe) and if they did this trade they would have even more cap room. Effectively it would be Rondo for Batum (who has managed to increase his value, I would have thought) plus cap room. And if the Celtics can win without Rondo, then they should be able to do it without Rondo but with Batum.

We could throw in the rights to Freeland, and let Danny Ainge deal with his buyout with Malaga.

[I remember that a major criticism of Rondo was that he can't shoot. Let's compare, shall we:

   Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
 2 rondo,rajon       PG 21 37.3  126  256 .492   4  16 .250   64  105 .610 15.2
 6 felton,raymond    PG 30 32.9  113  314 .360  21 102 .206   51   64 .797  9.9

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I dont see boston moving rondo for basically batum, but id love rondo and lma together

 

[jlprk]

It would be Miller time again. As with Andre, Rondo would have to learn Nate's system before starting. Meanwhile Felton would start for the first year until Rondo popped McMillan one in the eyebrow.

 

[44Thrilla]

Boston has actually played better without Rondo than with him (I believe)

Here's a helpful link for you: link

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This is sort of funny in retrospect:

Crawford is not taking the MLE to come to the Blazers.
$5 mil per year? Seriously? Dude made $10.8mil last season and is coming off 6th man of the year 2 season's ago.
Get real.

List the Crawford caliber free agents that have signed with the Blazers for the MLE in the past.


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And then he signed.

And now we're not sure we're glad he did.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Here's a helpful link for you: link

Here's a helpful link in return.

And here's a more specific one.

 

[illmatic99]

And here's a more specific one.

Check out the poll results. No matter what it might look like, he's their best player, and I would love to get him to pair with LA for the next 5-10 years.

 

[BlayZa]

err batum would be out that door in a heartbeat

 

[magnifier661]

Yes if they would be suckered to take Felton too! Lol

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I dont see boston moving rondo for basically batum,

All right all right - we'll throw in Oden! AND Nolan Smith - now Rivers' son is a Duke, that's got to count for something, right?

 

[Masbee]

This is sort of funny in retrospect:





And then he signed.

And now we're not sure we're glad he did.

If Crawford was put in his wheelhouse, as a gunner of the bench who can be a closer on his "on" nights, then we would be much happier with him this year. We are asking him to be more than what he is. Aka - setting him up to fail.

Getting Crawford on the cheap for a 1 year committment isn't anything to be all that regretful about.

The Blazer's problems run way deeper than that. What appeared pre-season to be an ok 3 guard rotation has turned out to be an unmitigated, Titanic sized disaster.

Pre-season, having 3 solid, proven, rotation guards to play mostly supporting roles to our awesome forward group of LaMarcus, Wallance and Batum, seemed like it should work out fine. And, if we got the best shown in the past out of each of the 3 guards, it would have been more than fine.

Instead we are getting an off year from Matthews - particularly on the offensive end, where we need him to step up the most;

an off year from Crawford - particularly his shooting percentages are below career numbers;

a career worst performance from Felton. He can't do anything right. His numbers are absurdly bad - even for his previous worst season's - who may be playing himself out of the NBA. How did we get so lucky? What the hell is going on? Don't know?

The Blazers set this team up with a poor group of backups, so there is no where to turn. The lack of shooting confidence among our guard group seems to be feeding on itself, and due to scouting, has lately made it easy for our team to be defended: let their guards prove they can hit open jumpers so you can clog the driving lanes and keep close to the front-line players.

I think the far more consequential decision for the Blazers was the seemingly smart move to to swap an old but quality PG for an inferior but younger PG - coupled with the inability to obtain a quality backup.

Forget Crawford - Felton is so bad he is dragging this franchise to the precipice of an implosion. It is painful and depressing to watch as a fan.

 

[STOMP]

Yeah they'd bite all right and do the deal on the spot if we were that stupid. This is absolutely friggin insane givin up THREE starters for fukkin Rondo - take the night off! You gut the team for a PG that can't shoot. yeah he's good but no way nearly that good and just why is Boston possibly delaing him?

couldn't disagree with you more. I'd do a Wes Felton Wallace 4 Rondo deal in a heartbeat. Unless RR is known to be a complete cancer to a team, I fail to see what would be Boston's motivation. RR is the best player of the 4 and he's all of 25 years old.

STOMP

 

[RoyToy]

This poll should be 46-0 in favor of yes

 

[RoyToy]

Except Batum is as valuable as Rondo

bahaha

This forum and their young Blazers

 

[44Thrilla]

Here's a helpful link in return.

lol, touche