Would you recognize a new messiah?

[magnifier661]

So what does "ascend into heaven mean?" One day, there will just be a billion fewer people?

Yes. And I think that there will be some that thought they were Christians and realize they weren't.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm getting this Westboro vibe from Mags and AMB.

Well that's because you aren't too bright. Of course you would!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Your years of "expanding your mind" with drugs really has fried your judgement.

Are you coming down on a white horse during the rapture?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Actually, not only can it be more intense, it is going to be even crazier; but it's fair to talk about every change in intensity. Okay at this point, I decided to leave the outdoors and make my way into the house. I really had to go pee badly, so I made my way into the bathroom. What I noticed was everything looked black and white. And not just black and white. It was more like those pictures that everything was that blue gray and the rose was red kinda thing. My mind was going a thousand miles per minute. I absolutely couldn't think of what to do. When I went into the toilet, I started talking to the stool, apologizing that I was peeing it it's mouth. It answered "That's what I'm here for". Now I didn't hear it actually say that. It talked to me telepathically. So I started laughing really hard. I realized that the toilet couldn't talk to me and I laughed at myself that I actually believed it happened. I walked outside again to tell my friends about it. So I began to speak and nothing could come out. Basically it came out like "Blah, seem ohhhhh lol lol haha do you feel me?" They were like "huh?!" and that's when I started to freak out. And not a scary freak out. It was "Holy shit this is going to get more intense cause I'm only 1.5 hours into the trip. Usually the peak happens 2.5 hours into the journey. I was able to walk, and move around, but I kept chopping my hands like a crab. I would put my hands close to my mouth, then blurt out "Yah!!!" then laugh and jump; flaring my arms and then walk in circles. The journey is moving into wave #4.

-Mags

On drugs or not, he's loonier than a fucking toon.

 

[magnifier661]

-Mags

On drugs or not, he's loonier than a fucking toon.

Just stating the obvious about you bro. Sorry if it hurts. You need dosed literature to find loony. That's like saying I can fly without a plane just because I flew on an airplane.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Just stating the obvious about you bro. Sorry if it hurts. You need dosed literature to find loony. That's like saying I can fly without a plane just because I flew on an airplane.

 

[magnifier661]

I take it you haven't messed with psychedelics before? Obviously you know about as much as a stump in the ground about how much it can alter your perception.

Also; you have no idea how it can open your mind either. Maybe all you need is love bro.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Purgatory is a catholic belief. I still haven't found in the bible where it explains anything of the sort.

1 Peter 4:6 - For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I dont want to get too far in the weeds on this

Most references inthenew testament are in revelations

 

[magnifier661]

1 Peter 4:6 - For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I dont want to get too far in the weeds on this

Most references inthenew testament are in revelations

I don't know if that is more to do with those in hell and judged to be cast to the lake of fire; or the spirit living in some "waiting room" like you mentioned. I see a difference between the lake of fire and hell.

 

[Further]

Mags and I disagree about god/Jesus and all that Jazz, but I have certainly enjoyed my share of psychedelics. If anything, I would say the open and inquisitive nature of Mags may have roots in psychedelics, and there is nothing wrong with that. psychedelics strip away the ego and I wish more people would experiment with them in their 20's. I haven't done any for 15 years, but I am very glad I had those experiences.

 

[magnifier661]

Mags and I disagree about god/Jesus and all that Jazz, but I have certainly enjoyed my share of psychedelics. If anything, I would say the open and inquisitive nature of Mags may have roots in psychedelics, and there is nothing wrong with that. psychedelics strip away the ego and I wish more people would experiment with them in their 20's. I haven't done any for 15 years, but I am very glad I had those experiences.

I agree. I will admit that psychedelics is very therapeutic. It reveals you to yourself; as if you are watching yourself in third person.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I don't know if that is more to do with those in hell and judged to be cast to the lake of fire; or the spirit living in some "waiting room" like you mentioned. I see a difference between the lake of fire and hell.

Bible scholars debate these ideas, like praying for the souls of the dead and such. some of the obscure ideas I dont feel are all that important. Most of my attention is on the New Testamant, and I lack understanding of the complicated concepts.

 

[magnifier661]

Bible scholars debate these ideas, like praying for the souls of the dead and such. some of the obscure ideas I dont feel are all that important. Most of my attention is on the New Testamant, and I lack understanding of the complicated concepts.

Yeah I'm gonna have to say that I'm really uncertain in this regard. I could understand how that could be considered some purgatory... I just think the purgatory would be going to hell. Just my personal observation.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Yeah I'm gonna have to say that I'm really uncertain in this regard. I could understand how that could be considered some purgatory... I just think the purgatory would be going to hell. Just my personal observation.

Yeah, I have enough on my plate with Heven and Hell, and the nature of God.

 

[MARIS61]

Messiahs exist only in environments of desperation and despair, so it's unlikely our paths would ever cross.

 

[crandc]

I know this, I was raised Jewish and now am an Atheist Jew. But because i didn't grow up with any of this Jesus talk (except as punchlines) I really don't know much about it. Would you comment if I asked "would you recognize if the new Loch Ness Monster arrived?" That would suppose that you had believed there was an old nessy. More likely you skip over it and giggle that anyone believed in nessy.

Nope, probably say the same thing!

 

[Further]

Nope, probably say the same thing!

Ha,
I just went to Scotland a month ago and I was talking to an old guitar player on his break in a pub. He told my when he was a small boy, around 8, he saw Nessy. Then he finished his tenth beer. I love meeting kooks, boring people are so tedious.

 

[santeesioux]

Not to go off topic, but are Jewish people the most apathetic when it comes to religion? My aunt is Jewish and her family is like that too for the most part when it comes to religion.

 

[Further]

Not to go off topic, but are Jewish people the most apathetic when it comes to religion? My aunt is Jewish and her family is like that too for the most part when it comes to religion.

Well, there is obviously different types of Jews and differing attitudes, but in America, among reformist and conservative Jews, many are very casual with their religion. In many cases, it's more about the community and the relationships then about the actual religion. But there are some differences between Judaism and Christianity that should be understood when looking at how they act. For one, Judaism is a bottom up religion, the Rabbi, unlike a priest, does not speak for god. He is not special in any way other than he is more learned. Jews respect their rabbi and go to him for advise, but it is as one person to another person who happens to be well educated in the Bible and morality, and someone who has studied ethics. Second, as a Jew, you do not need to believe to be a good Jew, you simply need to ACT correctly, follow the mitzvot (613 laws). If you follow the laws, you do not need to believe, Judaism is based on action not belief. Lastly, and I don't know if it was just me and the synagogues and schools I attended growing up, or if this is very common, but I never, not one time in all the services I attended or classes I went to, ever heard a Rabbi talk about what comes after life. The religion seems to stress how to act now, for respect of the community, for love of the family, not so much for rewards after death. All of this combines to make a group of followers who are a little less aggressive about the tenets of the religion and more stress the community. Of course, all this goes out the window with the orthodox Jews, and some other Jewish sects.

 

[crandc]

Agree, there is no "reward" after death in Judaism. When my mother died we all shared memories but the rabbi did not mention she's in heaven or somesuch. The memories were what lived on. Also, a big difference between Judaism on the one hand and Christianity/Islam on the other is that there is no question of "salvation". But Christianity and Islam say if you don't believe (in which is an interesting question!) you go to hell, so they must convert to save others from hell. But Judaism is based on G-d giving Torah to the Jews to keep. That is, G-d chose the people, rather than the people choosing to accept a god as Christians and Muslims do. No one else is required to follow Torah, so making Torah into secular law (although Israel does do so to a degree) makes no sense religiously. There is no salvation, nothing to sell. You're Jewish if you are born of a Jewish mother. Righteousness is open to all, however. No special privileges for "correct" belief.