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oldmangrouch said:
Hmmm.

He shot almost 50% in his walk year, inks a new deal, and is now shooting 40%.

Yep...that is the kind of dedication and passion the Blazers need! During time-outs, he can entertain the kiddies by scratching behing his ear with his hind leg.
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For what it's worth he's supposedly nursing a hand/wrist injury ... probably hurt himself hauling those sacks of money out of the trunk of his car.
 
Nikolokolus said:
For what it's worth he's supposedly nursing a hand/wrist injury ... probably hurt himself hauling those sacks of money out of the trunk of his car.
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That would make sense. Roy is quirky, but seems still serious about his job.

I would still make the offer. We will be lucky if we can grab.someone similar this off season that would mesh well with our starters.
 
Question... Would a player like hibbert be able to have increased numbers playing along side Aldridge? Sly brought this up on the phone yesterday. Said that hickson may not get the numbers he got because teams are focusing so much on stopping Aldridge.
 
As I mentioned in another thread, I haven't been watching games the past few weeks. But I don't see teams FOCUSING their defense on LMA. I see them focus on Lillard, but not LMA. Teams have ALWAYS let LMA shoot that 18' pick/pop jumper. In past years he'd get doubled on the low block, but (a) he's not playing there much this season and (b) when he is, it's a lot of single-coverage. Maybe this has changed in recent weeks, but I think it's largely a myth (like LMA being a great shooter) that LMA is the focus of opposing defenses.
 
Absolutely. Hibbert would be great on our team and I think its clear we would be better with him. He is a superior player than hickson.
 
blue9 said:
As I mentioned in another thread, I haven't been watching games the past few weeks. But I don't see teams FOCUSING their defense on LMA. I see them focus on Lillard, but not LMA. Teams have ALWAYS let LMA shoot that 18' pick/pop jumper. In past years he'd get doubled on the low block, but (a) he's not playing there much this season and (b) when he is, it's a lot of single-coverage. Maybe this has changed in recent weeks, but I think it's largely a myth (like LMA being a great shooter) that LMA is the focus of opposing defenses.
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I can't copy the link; but you should look his shots on basketball reference. You maybe pleasantly surprised. Also I really recommend you watch more games too. Aldridge is really shaping up nicely the past 10 games. You will also see that you rarely see that pick and pop like we've seen in the past. Most of his shots are coming 10 ft from the past and in.
 
blue9 said:
As I mentioned in another thread, I haven't been watching games the past few weeks. But I don't see teams FOCUSING their defense on LMA. I see them focus on Lillard, but not LMA. Teams have ALWAYS let LMA shoot that 18' pick/pop jumper. In past years he'd get doubled on the low block, but (a) he's not playing there much this season and (b) when he is, it's a lot of single-coverage. Maybe this has changed in recent weeks, but I think it's largely a myth (like LMA being a great shooter) that LMA is the focus of opposing defenses.
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Over the past 10 games, he is shooting 23-55 from 16-23 feet. Thats 41.8% on 5.5 shots per game. It is getting better from where he was shooting there 10 times a game under 40%.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Over the past 10 games, he is shooting 23-55 from 16-23 feet. Thats 41.8% on 5.5 shots per game. It is getting better from where he was shooting there 10 times a game under 40%.
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And since he's shooting around 16 a game; 70% of his shots are 10ft or closer.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
It is getting better from where he was shooting there 10 times a game under 40%.
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Indeed! But I'm more interested in the long view - 10 games isn't going to change my mind. During the all-star "snub" season he had a period of 6-8 weeks of dominant play, but 6-8 weeks doesn't define a player or even a single season. I'm willing to change my opinion about him, but it's going to take a while.
 
blue9 said:
Indeed! But I'm more interested in the long view - 10 games isn't going to change my mind. During the all-star "snub" season he had a period of 6-8 weeks of dominant play, but 6-8 weeks doesn't define a player or even a single season. I'm willing to change my opinion about him, but it's going to take a while.
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Yet you'd have no problem harshly judging him off of the beginning of his season this year. Splitting it into "halves", you seem content with judging him negatively on the first half, without adjusting that based on the changes he has made in the second half.
 
No, I judge him based on his entire career to this point.
 
blue9 said:
No, I judge him based on his entire career to this point.
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Seems like judging him for his role in the offense, playing second fiddle to Roy also is an inaccurate assessment of him, compared to the player he became after Roy left.
 
There seems to be some sort of $4-$5 million "big man tax." Considering what other big men in the league are making, Hibbert is worth it.
 
Hobbesarable said:
And where do you get "8 Max per year," Rollin?
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Out of my butt quite honestly. But I think that is the case. The free agent crop is light EXCEPT for at Hickson's true position.

Millsap's last contract was 4 years for 32 MIL. Seems like a good comparison. Most would "slightly" prefer Millsap. And guess who is a free agent again? The very same Millsap. He will likely get a raise but I am not predicting much of one. So average 9 MIL a year for arguments sake.

I see Hickson coming in at 7.5 to 7.8 average per year for 3 or 4 years.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Out of my butt quite honestly. But I think that is the case. The free agent crop is light EXCEPT for at Hickson's true position.

Millsap's last contract was 4 years for 32 MIL. Seems like a good comparison. Most would "slightly" prefer Millsap. And guess who is a free agent again? The very same Millsap. He will likely get a raise but I am not predicting much of one. So average 9 MIL a year for arguments sake.

I see Hickson coming in at 7.5 to 7.8 average per year for 3 or 4 years.
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I would pay that
 
KeepOnRollin said:
7.6 Technically and I think that is what he averages in a deal he signs this summer. It is a weak class overall but at his position there are some names. Josh Smith, David West, Paul Millsap and Carl Landry to name a few. Most of those guys are going to find a home before Hickson (unless he signs with us right out of the chute).
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Atlanta might re-sign Josh Smith. However, he may want a huge payday.
Utah should re-sign Millsap and possibly let Al Jefferson walk.
I don't see many takers for an aging David West. He might find a home before Hickson, but I doubt he'll get as much $$$.
Carl Landry has been basically a role player the last few years. I think any team would jump at the chance to sign Hickson before Landry any day of the week.
 
Hobbesarable said:
I would be ecstatic if our team got him at that price tag. I think it's unlikely, but I would definitely jump for joy, Mags!
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Yeah me too! I think he's going to be around 9 mil per though. ANd personally I would pay that too.
 
Hobbesarable said:
Atlanta might re-sign Josh Smith. However, he may want a huge payday.
Utah should re-sign Millsap and possibly let Al Jefferson walk.
I don't see many takers for an aging David West. He might find a home before Hickson, but I doubt he'll get as much $$$.
Carl Landry has been basically a role player the last few years. I think any team would jump at the chance to sign Hickson before Landry any day of the week.
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There is a lot of might's in there (to be fair there is in mine and everyone else's too however).

I don't see Josh Smith going back to ATL at all unless Howard magically makes it there.
Utah may let both walk as they have two young big's that they can't enough get minutes for.
David West is aging. That appeals to some teams on the verge however and he is still getting it done.
Carl Landry actually only gets 4 mins less per game then Hickson this year. You could say Hickson was a role-player until this year (and I love Hickson and want him to come back). Check out their comparison in advanced stats (pretty similar but of course I would take Hickson - other teams may not):
http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=landrca01&y1=2013&p2=hicksjj01&y2=2013
 
If Landry gets 5 million or so a year, id rather grab him, especially if Leonard is ready for more minutes.
 
Mediocre Man said:
9 mm per year for a player that doesn't really make you any better?
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I think it is safe to say that if you take Hickson off the team (due to injury or whatever) and you replace him with what they term "replacement level player" that we are worse. I think Hollinger has a formula for this called VA or Value Added. Hollinger has him listed as a Center (because that is what he is playing) but his VA is 9th highest at that position. If you put him as a PF it would be 7th highest.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I think it is safe to say that if you take Hickson off the team (due to injury or whatever) and you replace him with what they term "replacement level player" that we are worse. I think Hollinger has a formula for this called VA or Value Added. Hollinger has him listed as a Center (because that is what he is playing) but his VA is 9th highest at that position. If you put him as a PF it would be 7th highest.
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That metric doesn't account for defense ... and Hickson is pretty bad at that end.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I think it is safe to say that if you take Hickson off the team (due to injury or whatever) and you replace him with what they term "replacement level player" that we are worse. I think Hollinger has a formula for this called VA or Value Added. Hollinger has him listed as a Center (because that is what he is playing) but his VA is 9th highest at that position. If you put him as a PF it would be 7th highest.
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Hickson's on/off court figures are shockingly mediocre, especially considering the putrid aroma routinely arising from our bench. If Hickson were truly a difference maker, it would be reflected in the team's performance. It's not.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Hickson's on/off court figures are shockingly mediocre, especially considering the putrid aroma routinely arising from our bench. If Hickson were truly a difference maker, it would be reflected in the team's performance. It's not.
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We can certainly play well without Hickson for half a game but if you take Hickson off the court permanently for the rest of the year then it would result in more losses for our team going forward than with him playing.
 
So I'm going a bit off on a tangent here...

Even the most optimistic of us thought the Blazers as currently constructed would get 41-42 wins and sneak into the playoffs. Lillard and Batum are here to stay for the foreseeable future. Some want to explore trading LMA, some want to either trade JJ at the deadline or renounce him in FA.

But if I'm reading this thread correctly, then the majority of you think that keeping the exact same team (without Babbitt, Williams, Smith Sasha and Price and without a draft pick this summer) and just adding 5M in salaries to fill up the bench (edit: and the 2.5M room exception) will make us a contender? If we do that, it's probably the last chance we have at anything more than an MLE contract for 3-4 years---when Lillard's going to get close to the (if not THE) max. I'm with you in not seeing JJ and LMA as the frontcourt that's hoisting a trophy. But you can't sign JJ to 7-10M a year for the next 4 years as a "backup PF-C/Carl Landry Plus" and still actually get a starting big man, especially without a draft pick this year and only later picks going forward.

Now, if our core was Hibbert/LMA/Batum/Wes/Lillard, resign JJ with bird rights and use the MLE to fill out, then maybe you've got something. But that ship sailed.
 
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