Trade Would you trade CJ... The Super Duper Trade Thread!

[Mediocre Man]

No. Noel is not the big we need. Okafor might be though. I would make that trade based on basketball and not taking chemistry into the equation

 

[PtldPlatypus]

EDIT: And it was an interesting thought exercise, PtdlPlatypus...

I think it is an interesting thread.

Whoops--didn't mean to sound like I was fishing for validation; I was actually commenting on @yuyuza1's post referring to the concept as wishful thinking.

Thanks though--always nice to feel appreciated!

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think tall athletic skinny PF's with a history of injuries, who can block shots but have average offensive skills are fairly easy to find.

So even though I like Noel, and would like to have him on my team.......I think we can find someone else like him in time. It's not like he would make us immediate contenders.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Last year's draft was fairly deep as well IMO. And neither are top heavy. Meaning the players outside of the lottery were almost as good as the ones in the lottery. With the influx of younger players who are drafted on potential because they have not had time to develop ( i.e a consistent jump shot) I think the crap shoot description we all use becomes even more apparent. In other words more teams (Playoff teams) will be able to roll the dice.

This is a very good point. If you go back and look at the last 10 drafts and sort them by win shares, you will see it's actually the exception that the any of the top 3 players in the draft are among the top 3 in win shares. Or sure, there are some (like Durant, Anthony Davis and Karl Anthony-Townes), but you also have drafts like 2011 where the three players with the highest win shares were selected with the 15th (Kawhi Leonard), 30th (Jimmy Butler) and 60th (Isiah Thomas) picks in the draft.

It is very common to see 2nd rounders crack the top 10 in win shares for their draft class (guys like Draymond Green, Chandler Parsons, Danny Green, DeAndre Jordan, Paul Millsap, Goran Dragic, Marc Gasol). So yes, there are always guys who slip through the cracks, but I think that's more prevalent in the past 10 years than in the old days.

You are absolutely correct. So many guys are drafted in the first round based on upside. They are young and unproven, but many GMs are desperate for the 1 or 2 in 14 that will actually live up to their hype. The guys that tend to slip through the cracks, or older guys which have more college experience or international players who have experience playing professionally overseas. Most of ythese guys go late 1st round are 2nd round. They aren't as sexy as the next LeBron, but much more likely to actually turn into a solid NBA player.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Think they're closer to it with Wiggins than they ever were with Love.

Another consideration to all this is $. CJ will get a max extension next summer. In his place, you could have Simmons on a rookie deal for 4 years.

I know the caveats and assumptions here. Just don't think it's a slam dunk NO.

All that said, it might be wishful thinking as I don't think there's anyway LA would even consider this kinda deal. I don't think CJ on the last year of his rookie deal has this kinda value.

I'd only do it, if I KNEW C.J. would NOT re-sign with the Lakers and would come right back to Portland after his rookie contract was up. Of course, the rules prevent making that kind of under-the-table handshake agreement, but won't it be great to end up with BOTH Simmons and C.J. while the Lakers end up with neither? We all have our fantasies...

BNM

 

[e_blazer]

No, but would I trade CJ for Noel and the 24th pick in the draft? Possibly. The reason I would even consider it is Noel is great on D. Defense is our biggest need imo. I still don't think I would do it though.

I do like Noel better than Okafor.

And I hate the idea of DeRozen with or without CJ so scratch that one.

Yeah, if you were going to do CJ for Noel & #24, I'd rather just promote Crabbe to starting SG and use the cap space on a major upgrade at center. Whiteside, or even Howard, paired with Noel would be a solid front line.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

In theory, but maybe if Stotts wasn't our coach.

Also, there's this...

 

[Boob-No-More]

There no way I do that trade due to Simmons has no outside shot at all teams going figure this kid out and he have trouble scoring. Yes he can pass and dribble but if going to LA he going have to play small foward. A position in the NBA you have able to shoot the 3 ball a shot he can't make.

This! I was going to comment on this earlier. People say Simmons has SF skills in a PF body, but as you noted, he lacks, perhaps, THE most important skill for a SF in today's NBA - an outside shot. In 33 college games he made EXACTLY ONE 3-pointer. That's not 1 per game, that's 1 per season. He may be able to get away with that against college competition, but that missing skill will be exploited by NBA defenses.

Sure, Simmons MIGHT develop an outside shot over time, or he might not. And, if he does, how long will it take?

BNM

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

In theory, but maybe if Stotts wasn't our coach.

Also, there's this...

Wow. I say we steer clear of this douchebag.

 

[illmatic99]

A 19 year old not having a jumpshot is really a concern for you guys?

 

[noknobs]

I don't know why I'm surprised, but I really didn't expect this thread or the poll results to be this homerific.

I'm not really sure it's THAT homerific to be honest. We're talking about trading the 2nd best player on a playoff team, who happens to A) have great chemistry on and off the court with our franchise player B) is coming off a breakout year C) and is just entering his prime. Trading that for an unknown, during Damian's window, isn't all that appealing to me.

Consider the fact that CJ averaged more point per game (20.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.3 apg) than the last SEVEN #2 picks did last year. Actually, none of the last SEVEN #2 draft picks have ever averaged over 20 ppg in any season yet and four of them are older. One isn't even in the league anymore.

IMO, the best season of any of those 7 picks was Evan Turner in 2013-2014 when he averaged 17.4 ppg, 6 rpg and 3.7 apg. Beasley averaged 19.2 ppg early in his career but that was a long time ago, and even then I don't think he's the player CJ is now.

 

[blue9]

Also, there's this...

I found these bits a little funny:

The owners say they also found weed and roaches from joints in the home -- including pieces of marijuana in the master bathroom drawers.

Not in the bathroom drawers!?! What a MONSTER!

but the DAY AFTER they sent the demand, a TOMBSTONE with the words "RIP" mysteriously appeared on the front steps of the property.

Words? WORDS!?!

 

[BigGameDamian]

There no way I do that trade due to Simmons has no outside shot at all teams going figure this kid out and he have trouble scoring. Yes he can pass and dribble but if going to LA he going have to play small foward. A position in the NBA you have able to shoot the 3 ball a shot he can't make.

I think Simmons will be a little like Demar Derozan. He will probably get to the line a lot though.

 

[HolyBackboard]

I voted No.

This draft feels quite weak at the top. Not quite as weak as 2013 felt (Bennett, Oladipo, Len), but nowhere near 2012 (Davis) or 2015 (Towns).

Also, I really want to win with Dame and CJ as the core of this team. We're a damn good basketball team that's only going to get better and we have cap space this summer to add great pieces to this roster. Dame is turning 26 this summer and is getting extremely close to entering his prime. I'd hate to move CJ for a prospect and lose another year off of Lillard. While I typically LOVE the draft and always want a first round pick, this year feels different. We already have the second-youngest roster in the NBA. We have prospects currently on this roster who aren't even close to being considered finished products (Vonleh, Montero, Alexander, Harkless, Connaughton, Leonard, Crabbe). I'd be fine moving into the first if the buy-in was minimal. But moving CJ for a No. 2 pick? I can't do that.

Chemistry and continuity are two things this franchise should continue to strive for as those two components separate the good from the great teams. 2016 was the first year that Lillard and McCollum played full-time alongside one another. What we saw this year was not the finished product. Lastly, the NBA is going smaller. No longer are small backcourts considered a liability. Guards who can dribble, distribute, and create their own offense are at a premium in today's NBA.

While Ingram or Simmons may have a higher ceiling, I'm rolling with CJ, who I believe still has a lot of room to grow.

 

[BonesJones]

What an awful IDEA... Quit with these trade CJ threads... And to sign the insanely overrated Derozen on top of that? Hell no.

 

[BonesJones]

What is with the would you trade CJ threads today...

 

[Natebishop3]

I voted yes.

I like CJ, but we need another superstar player and I think Simmons or Ingram could be that guy. I watched Ingram in his game against UO and he was extremely impressive.



Baby Durant.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Id do Noel plus number one... but not straight across.

 

[Natebishop3]

Id do Noel plus number one... but not straight across.

Well, now you're just bending them over.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Well, now you're just bending them over.

That's what I do.

 

[Boob-No-More]

IDEA only....save your insults!!

Would you trade CJ to PHI for Nerlens Noel?

IMO Philly is going to have troubles very soon with too many frontcourt players on the roster needing meaningful PT. They have Embid, Okafor, Noel, Saric and will be adding Simmons or Ingram. They lack a scorer like CJ. Nice trade for both sides?

Next step (team would have to know before pulling trigger) would be to sign DeRozen to replace CJ.

Lillard (PG) - DeRozen (SG) - Aminu (SF) - Noel (PF) - Plumlee (C)

Thoughts?

No and no. That lineup makes us worse than we are, older than we are and more expensive than we are. DeRozen is a chucker that wants a max deal starting at $25 million. I hope he gets it - from somebody else.

Neither Noel or Plumlee can score more than 3 feet from the basket. Forget the midrange jumper, Noel is a career .295 shooter from 3 - 10 feet. He can't make anything longer than a dunk or layup.

Yes, he makes us better defensively, but a line up of Noel/Plumlee would KILL our offense. BOTH of the other teams bigs could just camp in the paint making it impossible for Dame and DeRozen to penetrate. DeRozen is a below average outside shooter who relies on slashing and penetration for the bulk of his scoring. Combining him with a Noel/Plumlee front court, would neutralize his one actual skill. He'd be driving into a wall of big men on every possession.

You thought our points in the paint were low last year? With a Noel/Plumlee starting front court, I bet we'd set an all-time NBA record for fewest points in the paint. Neither are dominant low post scorers and both together kill everybody else's chances at getting to the rim.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I voted yes.

I like CJ, but we need another superstar player and I think Simmons or Ingram could be that guy. I watched Ingram in his game against UO and he was extremely impressive.



Baby Durant.

Baby Durant? My lord, you have to be kidding me. This guy is good but he wouldn't even be top 2 many other years of the draft.

And impressive in one game that you watched? Guess what game I saw CJ play?



30 points!

At least you didn't say Simmons though. He has even less of a chance of being a star.

 

[Pinwheel1]

A 19 year old not having a jumpshot is really a concern for you guys?

Yes if they are drafted to be a difference maker. An average jump shot is not good enough if they are needed to make us contenders. There are plenty of average shooters in the league. Until Simmons, or D'Angelo Russel, or even Oldadipo has a consistent jumpshot, they might still be good, but they will never be someone worth tanking for.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Sixers Coach played with Simmons' dad and they are rumored to want him more than Ingram by the way.

But with that said even if Simmons' was there at #2 for the trade he has a lot of downsides. Definitely not a slam dunk to be a star (although no one really is).

 

[riverman]

I'd trade CJ for Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, Paul George or Lebron James in a heartbeat...not that that's going to happen

 

[riverman]

no ..followed by an emphatic...duh

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What is with the would you trade CJ threads today...

Well, mine was first, and based on the fact that the RipCityMornings guys mentioned the notion in passing.

I have no comment on the other trade CJ thread.

 

[riverman]

I don't see Olshey moving CJ at all but if you did, he'd bring you an allstar caliber player in return...not a rookie project

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

No

 

[Boob-No-More]

I think Simmons will be a little like Demar Derozan. He will probably get to the line a lot though.

And I wouldn't trade C.J. straight up for DeRozen. Not in a million years.

BNM