Trade Would you trade CJ... The Super Duper Trade Thread!

[Natebishop3]

I understand why people are reluctant to trade him, but the reality is that CJ is a 6'4 shooting guard who is mediocre defensively. He got abused by JJ Redick and Klay Thompson during the playoffs. I'm not convinced that Dame/CJ is a long term solution because they're both undersized and they're both poor defenders. If we could add a superstar at small forward or power forward, and the cost was CJ, I would do it.

 

[TBpup]

In theory, but maybe if Stotts wasn't our coach.

Also, there's this...

After that article, for CJ it's the #1 AND Noel...Merry Christmas.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I understand why people are reluctant to trade him, but the reality is that CJ is a 6'4 shooting guard who is mediocre defensively. He got abused by JJ Redick and Klay Thompson during the playoffs. I'm not convinced that Dame/CJ is a long term solution because they're both undersized and they're both poor defenders. If we could add a superstar at small forward or power forward, and the cost was CJ, I would do it.

That's the key. No one in the draft is a for sure superstar. I'm not opposed to trading CJ, but it has to be for the right superstar. Not a draft pick.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

That's the key. No one in the draft is a for sure superstar. I'm not opposed to trading CJ, but it has to be for the right superstar. Not a draft pick.

Yep. Has to be for a player who has shown he can do it in the NBA. Not the promise that he might be able to because just as often as not those players don't end up doing it.

 

[Sinobas]

No, but would I trade CJ for Noel and the 24th pick in the draft? Possibly. The reason I would even consider it is Noel is great on D. Defense is our biggest need imo. I still don't think I would do it though.

I do like Noel better than Okafor.

And I hate the idea of DeRozen with or without CJ so scratch that one.

Yeah, but if we lost CJ our offense would go to shit. I don't think Noel is enough of an upgrade over Aminu or Ed Davis to warrant giving up our young budding star SG. Guys like him are not that hard to find.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Yeah, but if we lost CJ our offense would go to shit. I don't think Noel is enough of an upgrade over Aminu or Ed Davis to warrant giving up our young budding star SG. Guys like him are not that hard to find.

As I said, still not enough for me to do the deal but tempting.

CJ's are hard to find. Noel's aren't all that easy to find either though. Good players aren't easy to find period. But I am all for sticking with CJ.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Why do people say DeRozen is a chucker? Honest question. The guy has a true shooting percentage of .550. CJ's is worse than that at .544. DeRozen takes about 5.5 less shots per game than CJ does. DeRozen gets to the line way more. Has a higher PER and a better defensive rating to boot.

I don't get the hate

 

[Mediocre Man]

That's the key. No one in the draft is a for sure superstar. I'm not opposed to trading CJ, but it has to be for the right superstar. Not a draft pick.

But who's going to trade a superstar, especially the "right" superstar for CJ McCollum.

 

[Boob-No-More]

If we could add a superstar at small forward or power forward, and the cost was CJ, I would do it.

I'd only do it for a PROVEN NBA superstar (or at least a borderline all star). There are none of those in this draft. Sure, Simmons and Ingram have the hype, but Andrew Wiggins was supposed to be the next LeBron, a can't miss future superstar and so far, he's barely average - a career 15.2 PER. He may eventually be a borderline all-star, but it's highly doubtful he'll ever be a superstar, and no way in hell is he the next LeBron.

I feel the same way about Simmons and Ingram. Perhaps one of them explodes and actually does become a superstar a few years down the road, but neither of them are can't miss superstars. They both have upside, but they both also have holes in their games that will be exploited at the NBA level.

And even if one of them does become a superstar, it would be just our luck that we'd get the one that doesn't. With the No. 2 pick, we don't even get to choose the one we want. We rely on someone else to control our destiny.

BNM

 

[BlazerWookee]

Mods, please change "Simple" to "Stupid" in the thread title.



Neener.

 

[SIeepwalker]

I really don't want CJ to get traded. It was his first season playing consistent minutes. I feel like there's no way we've seen everything

AND HE GOT THE FIRE, MAN

 

[Sinobas]

If you want to come up with an idea for trading CJ, it needs to be for a substantially good player. Not a role player like Nerlens Noel.

Cousins has been thrown around, but I don't think he fits the culture we're trying to maintain here...and look at his FG%.

One guy I would think about is Jonas Valanciunas. He could hold down the for at center for years to come. 24 years old, from Lithuania, good size and athletisim for a big man. Good rebounder, shot blocker, interior defender, shoots 57% from the field, 77% from the FT line, averaged 18/13 per 36 minutes last year. Jonas and #9 for CJ?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Why do people say DeRozen is a chucker? Honest question. The guy has a true shooting percentage of .550. CJ's is worse than that at .544. DeRozen takes about 5.5 less shots per game than CJ does. DeRozen gets to the line way more. Has a higher PER and a better defensive rating to boot.

I don't get the hate

DeRozan had a bit of a bounce-back year for sure. Look at his other years. Or just ask @speeds what the fans up there think of the player (or even what the team itself thinks reportedly).

 

[Sinobas]

I really don't want CJ to get traded. It was his first season playing consistent minutes. I feel like there's no way we've seen everything

AND HE GOT THE FIRE, MAN

And CJ is a really likeable player. Well spoken, intelligent, he and Dame will make a very good pair for years to come.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's the key. No one in the draft is a for sure superstar. I'm not opposed to trading CJ, but it has to be for the right superstar. Not a draft pick.

What if that pick could be flipped for a superstar?

For example - Anthony Davis.

If we offered up Simmons (assuming he's still there), Plumlee, and Vonleh for Davis, would the Pelicans accept?

Davis has health concerns, but he's a top 5 player in the league. The Pelicans probably wouldn't deal him for CJ, but they might be willing to do it for someone like Simmons.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'd only do it for a PROVEN NBA superstar (or at least a borderline all star). There are none of those in this draft. Sure, Simmons and Ingram have the hype, but Andrew Wiggins was supposed to be the next LeBron, a can't miss future superstar and so far, he's barely average - a career 15.2 PER. He may eventually be a borderline all-star, but it's highly doubtful he'll ever be a superstar, and no way in hell is he the next LeBron.

I feel the same way about Simmons and Ingram. Perhaps one of them explodes and actually does become a superstar a few years down the road, but neither of them are can't miss superstars. They both have upside, but they both also have holes in their games that will be exploited at the NBA level.

And even if one of them does become a superstar, it would be just our luck that we'd get the one that doesn't. With the No. 2 pick, we don't even get to choose the one we want. We rely on someone else to control our destiny.

BNM

Would you trade McCollum for Wiggins? Talent wise that probably makes us a better overall team because of the defense

 

[Mediocre Man]

What if that pick could be flipped for a superstar?

For example - Anthony Davis.

If we offered up Simmons (assuming he's still there), Plumlee, and Vonleh for Davis, would the Pelicans accept?

Davis has health concerns, but he's a top 5 player in the league. The Pelicans probably wouldn't deal him for CJ, but they might be willing to do it for someone like Simmons.

Davis probably not, but that's a good thought

 

[Sedatedfork]

What if that pick could be flipped for a superstar?

For example - Anthony Davis.

If we offered up Simmons (assuming he's still there), Plumlee, and Vonleh for Davis, would the Pelicans accept?

Davis has health concerns, but he's a top 5 player in the league. The Pelicans probably wouldn't deal him for CJ, but they might be willing to do it for someone like Simmons.

Interesting thought.

I wonder if we could trade CJ for Aldridge

 

[blue9]

Why do people say DeRozen is a chucker? Honest question. The guy has a true shooting percentage of .550. CJ's is worse than that at .544. DeRozen takes about 5.5 less shots per game than CJ does. DeRozen gets to the line way more. Has a higher PER and a better defensive rating to boot.

I don't get the hate

The text in blue is the reason for the text in red. You've answered your own question as to why people think he's a chucker. He IS a chucker, but because he draws fouls it increases his TS% and reduces his FGA. Without looking up percentages, CJ is a much better shooter.

I've waffled back and forth on DeRozan, but after watching some of the TOR/MIA series I am 100% AGAINST signing him.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Why do people say DeRozen is a chucker? Honest question. The guy has a true shooting percentage of .550. CJ's is worse than that at .544. DeRozen takes about 5.5 less shots per game than CJ does. DeRozen gets to the line way more. Has a higher PER and a better defensive rating to boot.

I don't get the hate

He is having a turrible playoffs

 

[oldfisherman]

What part of "NO" don't you understand?

 

[H.C.]

I find it highly doubtful that the Sixers part ways with a player on Noel's ability.
If you've watched him at all. You quickly see he has rare lateral quickness for a big. Noel is one of the better young defensive bigs in the NBA.
Not to mention that if indeed what was coming out of the Philly's organizations mouth is to be believed.
They have visions of Noel and Embiid being their bigs of the future.
Okafor doesn't seem to really be in their plan. But Noel most certainly is.
Where the #1 pick/Saric fit into their plans has yet to be seen.

 

[Boob-No-More]

But who's going to trade a superstar, especially the "right" superstar for CJ McCollum.

Someone that's looking to rebuild and shed salary. Someone that's worried about losing a free agent without compensation.

Not sure where LaMarcus fits in the star/superstar continuum, but at one point, it was rumored we could have gotten Klay Thompson for him. That was back when Klay was averaging 18.4 ppg on a 47-win lower playoff seed and Aldridge was a proven all star big man. GSW supposedly wanted us to also absorb David Lee's contract to get the salaries to match.

It's certainly not unheard of for a team to unload a proven player for youth, especially if they are blowing it up and rebuilding. We have the cap space to absorb a big contract in a lopsided trade. I've mentioned it in other threads, but if ATL loses Horford for nothing, they may look to blow it up and trade Paul Millsap. Perhaps not a superstar, but Millsap is an all star and and one of the best defenders in the league. I'd love to add Millsap (or Horford), while keeping C.J., but depending on the other pieces involved, I'd at least consider a C.J. for Millsap trade.

BNM

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I really don't want CJ to get traded. It was his first season playing consistent minutes. I feel like there's no way we've seen everything

AND HE GOT THE FIRE, MAN

Best part? He pulls that move in the NBA against NBA players. His game translates!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Would you trade McCollum for Wiggins? Talent wise that probably makes us a better overall team because of the defense

Not at this point. We KNOW C.J, works in Stotts' system. We don't know if Wiggins will. Stotts seems to be good at getting the most out of his players, so I'd at least consider it, but I have to see more improvement from Wiggins. C.J. showed huge improvement last year, while Wiggins improvement was much less impressive. Of course, Wiggins is younger, so I'd at least consider it, but I'd lean heavily on Terry in making any decision. How would Wiggins work in his plans, does he see Wiggins possessing the basic skills to take his game to the next level, etc.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I've mentioned it in other threads, but if ATL loses Horford for nothing, they may look to blow it up and trade Paul Millsap. Perhaps not a superstar, but Millsap is an all star and and one of the best defenders in the league. I'd love to add Millsap (or Horford), while keeping C.J., but depending on the other pieces involved, I'd at least consider a C.J. for Millsap trade.

BNM

I like Milsap a lot but that guy is getting up there in age. That other piece(s) you mention would have to be Schroder for me to even consider it. The Hawks don't have much in moveable pieces though otherwise.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Davis probably not, but that's a good thought

Agreed, Davis is the kind of two-way big man that would REALLY help this team. But, NOP has already signed Davis to a max extension. So, they don't have to worry about losing him to free agency for the next 5 years. So, I don't see them trading him any time soon. They will continue to build around him for the next 3 or 4 years, and will only consider trading him if they don't make any significant forward progress in that time.

BNM

 

[H.C.]

Agreed, Davis is the kind of two-way big man that would REALLY help this team. But, NOP has already signed Davis to a max extension. So, they don't have to worry about losing him to free agency for the next 5 years. So, I don't see them trading him any time soon. They will continue to build around him for the next 3 or 4 years, and will only consider trading him if they don't make any significant forward progress in that time.

BNM

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I like Milsap a lot but that guy is getting up there in age. That other piece(s) you mention would have to be Schroder for me to even consider it. The Hawks don't have much in moveable pieces though otherwise.

My preference, by far, is to ADD Millsap to our current roster without giving up Dame or C.J., but I'm not sure that's possible. I like Schroder, but he'd be a career back up here and I don't think he'd like that. I also like Kent Bazemore, but he'd just get in the way of Harkless' development. So, maybe it would have to be a multi-team trade.

BNM

 

[oldfisherman]

“IF” the Blazers got lucky enough to pick a player in this draft that would eventually become slightly better than CJ. It will take 2-3 years for the new player to get to CJ’s level.

In other words, we would be a worse team next season, and the next, and maybe the next. We would not be a threat in the playoffs without CJ, if we even make the playoffs.

See the results of Minny’s plan of trading Love for unproven talent.