Trade Would you trade CJ... The Super Duper Trade Thread!

[theprunetang]

My preference, by far, is to ADD Millsap to our current roster without giving up Dame or C.J., but I'm not sure that's possible. I like Schroder, but he'd be a career back up here and I don't think he'd like that. I also like Kent Bazemore, but he'd just get in the way of Harkless' development. So, maybe it would have to be a multi-team trade.

BNM

If I'm Atlanta, I would probably start a new growth cycle. I would first give Horford all of the info pertaining to that: let him know that a rebuild is going to happen and seeing if he is on board with that. That is mainly to increase good will with free agents and agents in the future. After that conversation, you let Horford sign with a contender. I would then try to trade Teague and get into a higher draft slot (I'm pretty sure Utah would be more than interested). I would then try to get Boston to bite on Millsap and change for their pick and possibly Bradley. Speaking of playoff purgatory, the Hawks are it's embodiment. This would clean the slate and allow for a new future.


Ps. I want Millsap in a big way.

 

[BonesJones]

Sixers Coach played with Simmons' dad and they are rumored to want him more than Ingram by the way.

But with that said even if Simmons' was there at #2 for the trade he has a lot of downsides. Definitely not a slam dunk to be a star (although no one really is).

I'd take Ingram over Simmons 100 times out of 100.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

My preference, by far, is to ADD Millsap to our current roster without giving up Dame or C.J., but I'm not sure that's possible. I like Schroder, but he'd be a career back up here and I don't think he'd like that. I also like Kent Bazemore, but he'd just get in the way of Harkless' development. So, maybe it would have to be a multi-team trade.

BNM

Not to mention Bazemore is a free agent so if you like him we could just sign him instead. It would definitely have to be a 3 team deal.

 

[Boob-No-More]

“IF” the Blazers got lucky enough to pick a player in this draft that would eventually become slightly better than CJ. It will take 2-3 years for the new player to get to CJ’s level.

In other words, we would a worse team next season, and the next, and maybe the next. We would not be a threat in the playoffs without CJ, if we even make the playoffs.

See the results of Minny’s plan of trading Love for unproven talent.

MIN dropped from 40 wins to 15 after trading Love. Our drop off wouldn't be that dramatic as we'd still have Dame, but I bet we'd miss the playoffs in the West next year, which would make some people happy as they seem to value getting another crap shoot with the 14th pick over actually watching their team in the playoffs.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I'd take Ingram over Simmons 100 times out of 100.

For some reason the OP was mostly limiting this to Simmons being there at 2 instead of Ingram.

I agree that Ingram is likely to be the better plays so if he was there at 2 that would be better (in this hypothetical trade). But even Ingram isn't a "definitely going to be a star" player I would bet. He sure could of course but just as likely to not be as I see it.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Remember that the Blazers should never - NEVER - trade for a player that relies on free throw attempts to be successful. Because we aren't getting them.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Not to mention Bazemore is a free agent so if you like him we could just sign him instead. It would definitely have to be a 3 team deal.

I like him, but I don't see how he'd fit with our current roster. He duplicates too much of what we already have with Aminu and Harkless.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Remember that the Blazers should never - NEVER - trade for a player that relies on free throw attempts to be successful. Because we aren't getting them.

Best reason not to get DeRozan right there! Not that I really needed another reason.

 

[BonesJones]

If I'm Atlanta, I would probably start a new growth cycle. I would first give Horford all of the info pertaining to that: let him know that a rebuild is going to happen and seeing if he is on board with that. That is mainly to increase good will with free agents and agents in the future. After that conversation, you let Horford sign with a contender. I would then try to trade Teague and get into a higher draft slot (I'm pretty sure Utah would be more than interested). I would then try to get Boston to bite on Millsap and change for their pick and possibly Bradley. Speaking of playoff purgatory, the Hawks are it's embodiment. This would clean the slate and allow for a new future.


Ps. I want Millsap in a big way.

I think that this trade is very possible:
Teague and 21 to Utah for Rodney Hood and 12

I think SAC will come knocking:
Millsap to Sacramento for 8, Willie Cauley-Stein, Ben McLemore, and a future 1st

Trade 8 and 28 to PHX for #4

Add Rodney Hood, Cauley-Stein, McLemore, and have the 4th and 12th picks. Take Brown and Chriss

Schroeder / Hood / Brown / Chriss / WCS

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I like him, but I don't see how he'd fit with our current roster. He duplicates too much of what we already have with Aminu and Harkless.

BNM

If we didn't resign Crabbe or Harkless then MAYBE.... But I agree overall.

 

[BBert]

Remember that Simmons has implied he'd force a trade to the Lakers if drafted by anyone else, for the sake of a better shoe deal. No thank you.

That to me screams "loser". Not the mental mindset we are looking for.

 

[theprunetang]

I think that this trade is very possible:
Teague and 21 to Utah for Rodney Hood and 12

I think SAC will come knocking:
Millsap to Sacramento for 8, Willie Cauley-Stein, Ben McLemore, and a future 1st

Trade 8 and 28 to PHX for #4

Add Rodney Hood, Cauley-Stein, McLemore, and have the 4th and 12th picks. Take Brown and Chriss

Schroeder / Hood / Brown / Chriss / WCS

I think Atlanta makes the call to those respective GM's and gets hung up on. Utah won't give up their 12 th pick and Hood. 12 th and some change? Totally. And Millsap is not worth all of that. 8 th, Cauley-Stein, McLemore and a future first? More like 8 th and one of those two players.

 

[Boob-No-More]

If we didn't resign Crabbe or Harkless then MAYBE.... But I agree overall.

I wonder who will command more on the FA market. Crabbe and Harkless are both UFAs, so we can match any offer. My biggest fear here is some other GM wants to fuck with our cap space and makes one of them a toxic offer. Bazemore is older, but he's an RFA. So, his price will be set by the market without any shenanigans that may inflate his salary during the first year, or two, of his new contract. He'd be a decent plan b, if we lose one of our RFAs due to someone else overpaying them.

BNM

 

[BigGameDamian]

If CJ if a part of the Blazers long term plans and he signs a big contract like Lillard. If Brandon Ingram goes #2 and shows to be anything like KD, Paul George or a pime Paul Pierce in 2-3 years don't be surprised if this thread gets bumped.

 

[Boob-No-More]

That to me screams "loser". Not the mental mindset we are looking for.

To me, it screams, "ME, ME, ME!!!!" over "TEAM, TEAM, TEAM!!!". Agreed, that's not the mindset we are looking for.

BNM

 

[Strenuus]

If CJ if a part of the Blazers long term plans and he signs a big contract like Lillard. If Brandon Ingram goes #2 and shows to be anything like KD, Paul George or a pime Paul Pierce in 2-3 years don't be surprised if this thread gets bumped.

You'd bump it because one of the players turned left on a street, so it's not saying much.

 

[Trackjack]

I understand why people are reluctant to trade him, but the reality is that CJ is a 6'4 shooting guard who is mediocre defensively. He got abused by JJ Redick and Klay Thompson during the playoffs. I'm not convinced that Dame/CJ is a long term solution because they're both undersized and they're both poor defenders. If we could add a superstar at small forward or power forward, and the cost was CJ, I would do it.

How many 2 guards have held down reddick and Thompson in this league it is two guys I wouldn't evaluate my 2 guard if he can play defense. Does he need to get better yes.

 

[Haakzilla]

 

[BonesJones]

I think Atlanta makes the call to those respective GM's and gets hung up on. Utah won't give up their 12 th pick and Hood. 12 th and some change? Totally. And Millsap is not worth all of that. 8 th, Cauley-Stein, McLemore and a future first? More like 8 th and one of those two players.

Maybe Burks instead of hood. And Millsap is definitely worth that. If not then we should be able to get him easy.

 

[e_blazer]

I want to keep both Crabbe and C.J. I don't see them as redundant. Crabbe can't create his own shot. He lacks the passing and ballhandling skills of C.J. But Crabbe is bigger, a better defender and can knock down the open 3.

The nice thing about having all of Crabbe, C.J. and Dame is they give you lots of options. Crabbe fits well next to either C.J. or Dame. In that scenario, C.J. or Dame is the PG that runs the offense, creates shot for themselves and their teammates - including Crabbe who can knock down the open 3 when C.J. or Dame collapse the defense. That gives us a great 3-guard rotation.

It also gives us the option of going small without really going small. Crabbe has the length and defense that a 3-guard line-up of Dame, C.J. and Crabbe can work great when other teams elect to go small. Throw Meyers Leonard into that line-up, along with either Ed Davis, Mason Plumlee of a free agent big man and we have 4 REALLY good 3-point shooters on the court at the same time. Talk about spreading the court! We have that already, but if we could get a REAL rim protecting big man this summer, I think that would be Terry Stotts' wet dream team.

BNM

This is the way I feel about it. We've got a great back court rotation and I don't want to mess it up just to improve the front court. If Olshey can use the max salary slot to pick up an established All-Star level guy at the 4 or 5 spot, I think that fits better with Dame & CJ's window than getting a rookie who's going to take a few years to learn the pro game.

 

[blue9]

I understand why people are reluctant to trade him, but the reality is that CJ is a 6'4 shooting guard who is mediocre defensively. He got abused by JJ Redick and Klay Thompson during the playoffs. I'm not convinced that Dame/CJ is a long term solution because they're both undersized and they're both poor defenders. If we could add a superstar at small forward or power forward, and the cost was CJ, I would do it.

Ehhhhh. I know some of it was camera angles, but in the POR/GSW series, CJ didn't look much smaller than Iggy. In the past I've thought that CJ was too small, but after actually looking at him in comparison to other players he doesn't look as small as people make him out to be.

Regarding his defense - I don't think he played poorly against Redick or Klay. Sure, they had some games where they went off, but I don't lay the blame on CJ. He did as good a job as possible, given the defensive system he was playing within. Good defense comes from the coach, not from individual players.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think most agree that Ingram and Simmons will be good, but they are not a "can't miss" like Durant or Rose. KD averaged 26/11 in his only year at Texas. And a lot of his scoring came from deep where you knew would transfer over to the NBA. Rose was a blur with the ball, everyone wanted him too.

Ingram can also shoot well from deep, but in my mind he is not relevant to the conversation because I don't think he will be there at #2. It comes down to Simmons......I admit he an intriguing ball handler at 6'10". He is going to score regardless if he can shoot from deep or not. He will be hard to keep away from the basket. He will be better than the Greek freak in terms of talent. But how much better and will his attitude be as good?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The player they will go after with this pick is Paul George.

/thread

 

[blue9]

It comes down to Simmons......I admit he an intriguing ball handler at 6'10". He is going to score regardless if he can shoot from deep or not. He will be hard to keep away from the basket.

I don't watch college ball, but from the highlight videos I've seen I can imagine him at least being similar to Blake Griffin if not LBJ. The ability to dribble and pass should make up for his lack of a shot. And Griffin didn't have a shot early in his career - but now he's got a pretty good jumper.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Regarding his defense - I don't think he played poorly against Redick or Klay. Sure, they had some games where they went off, but I don't lay the blame on CJ. He did as good a job as possible, given the defensive system he was playing within. Good defense comes from the coach, not from individual players.

If you ever see Redick play live you will know he is a nightmare to guard, he never stops moving. (Think Jim Paxson) Being bigger does not help. I agree it is the system that is the key.

Klay is big at 6'7", but who on the Blazers slowed him down? Crabbe? Harkless? Aminu? All bigger players and none of them had success. So do we switch our SG based on matching up with Klay? Maybe...but just for that series.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If you ever see Redick play live you will know he is a nightmare to guard, he never stops moving. (Think Jim Paxson) Being bigger does not help. I agree it is the system that is the key.

Klay is big at 6'7", but who on the Blazers slowed him down? Crabbe? Harkless? Aminu? All bigger players and none of them had success. So do we switch our SG based on matching up with Klay? Maybe...but just for that series.

As long as he's there he will be a problem.

This is why Marcus Smart is high on my list. He is so strong and reads angles like Eric Snow that he can legitimately check SF's.

 

[Natebishop3]

The player they will go after with this pick is Paul George.

/thread

Why would Indy do that? He's young. He plays, essentially, the same position as the top two talents. Trading George for Simmons or Irving is silly.

 

[blue9]

If you ever see Redick play live you will know he is a nightmare to guard, he never stops moving. (Think Jim Paxson) Being bigger does not help. I agree it is the system that is the key.

Klay is big at 6'7", but who on the Blazers slowed him down? Crabbe? Harkless? Aminu? All bigger players and none of them had success. So do we switch our SG based on matching up with Klay? Maybe...but just for that series.

Yeah, I'm super impressed with Redick's approach to the game - maybe more than anyone in the league. I remember reading a Q&A with him a while back asking about how he's able to be so active all the time and his response was that he plays every possession like the play is for him to get the ball and score. Such a great mindset.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't watch college ball, but from the highlight videos I've seen I can imagine him at least being similar to Blake Griffin if not LBJ. The ability to dribble and pass should make up for his lack of a shot. And Griffin didn't have a shot early in his career - but now he's got a pretty good jumper.

So does that mean we can expect Harkless to one day have a pretty good jumper? He didn't when he came out and he still doesn't.
But I admit, regardless of whether or not Simmons does get one....he is going to be good. Fuck I can see that I am changing my mind, but I don't want to admit the Lakers will be getting a young star.

 

[blue9]

Why would Indy do that? He's young. He plays, essentially, the same position as the top two talents. Trading George for Simmons or Irving is silly.

In an era where IND will never come out of the East? Might be better for them to plan for the future, rather than futilely hoping they'll beat LBJ one of these years.