Trade Would you trade CJ... The Super Duper Trade Thread!

[blue9]

I think Plums will be a trading chip if we get a starting center as an FA. Ed Davis is a keeper and seems okay off the bench, but I don't know if Plums will be okay to come off the bench.

I like Plumlee a lot more than Davis, but agree that he's probably best utilized in a trade. But 'd much rather trade Ed than Plumlee if the return was equal.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I like Plumlee a lot more than Davis, but agree that he's probably best utilized in a trade. But 'd much rather trade Ed than Plumlee if the return was equal.

I guess it's horses for courses. Plums is a decent starter, but Davis is a great bench player. If you upgrade like for like, and get a better starter, you might as well use a chip where you have it.

 

[riverman]

One thing I've noticed about Mason is he is an east coast guy all the way..family, friends, etc...he might prefer to play in the east since he's home based there

 

[Boob-No-More]

The guy is amazing. His ability to create his own shot and break down defenses is irreplaceable. He's only going to get better from 3 and the stress he and dame put on opposing defenses is paramount to out succesS. They have to pick their poison and good luck with that. Having harkless and chief can help shore up their defense efficiencies. If traded he would haunt us for years to come.

My real hope, and our biggest need, is a rim protecting big that is also a great pick and roll defender. A big that knows how to defend the pick and roll will help Dame and C.J. tremendously on the defensive end.

This is why Al Horford would be such a great fit in POR. This article is over a year old and the author gushes a bit too much, but he's right on about Horford's pick and roll defense. He's not spectacular, but may be the most fundamentally sound big man defender this side of Tim Duncan. He's always in the right position with his arms extended in the passing lanes. He doesn't get a lot of spectacular blocks, but he uses his length well both on the perimeter and in the paint. He blocks 1.5 shots per game, alters many more and is always among the leaders in lowest opponent FG% within 6 feet of the basket.

And, that's just on the defensive end. He's an efficient low post scorer and is equally effective running the pick and roll and diving to the basket, or running the pick and pop and knocking down the mid-range jump shot.

He'd really compliment Dame and C.J. at both ends of the court. He'd fill so many of our needs (rim protection, pick and roll defense, reliable 3rd scorer, low post offense, etc.). I've been gushing over Paul Millsap, but in many ways Horford is an even better fit. I hope there is some way Olshey can convince Horford that POR is the best destination and fit for him.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

One thing I've noticed about Mason is he is an east coast guy all the way..family, friends, etc...he might prefer to play in the east since he's home based there

Perhaps, but he seemed quite happy playing here in POR. I'm sure that's mostly due to the chemistry with his teammates and playing for a coach that empowered him to expand his game.

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

My real hope, and our biggest need, is a rim protecting big that is also a great pick and roll defender. A big that knows how to defend the pick and roll will help Dame and C.J. tremendously on the defensive end.

This is why Al Horford would be such a great fit in POR. This article is over a year old and the author gushes a bit too much, but he's right on about Horford's pick and roll defense. He's not spectacular, but may be the most fundamentally sound big man defender this side of Tim Duncan. He's always in the right position with his arms extended in the passing lanes. He doesn't get a lot of spectacular blocks, but he uses his length well both on the perimeter and in the paint. He blocks 1.5 shots per game, alters many more and is always among the leaders in lowest opponent FG% within 6 feet of the basket.

And, that's just on the defensive end. He's an efficient low post scorer and is equally effective running the pick and roll and diving to the basket, or running the pick and pop and knocking down the mid-range jump shot.

He'd really compliment Dame and C.J. at both ends of the court. He'd fill so many of our needs (rim protection, pick and roll defense, reliable 3rd scorer, low post offense, etc.). I've been gushing over Paul Millsap, but in many ways Horford is an even better fit. I hope there is some way Olshey can convince Horford that POR is the best destination and fit for him.

BNM

Aside from the ridiculous pipe dream of Durant, this really would be the best possible outcome this summer. I refuse to hold my breath and be once again disappointed by Portland's inability to lure/keep a marquee free agent, but I am inwardly hoping for the best.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I think Philly, Chicago, Memphis, New Orleans, Brooklyn, and Houston are all going to blow it up and start from scratch...perfect time to nab a Marc Gasol or Brook Lopez type player.

There's not much Philly has to do to blow it up.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Aside from the ridiculous pipe dream of Durant, this really would be the best possible outcome this summer. I refuse to hold my breath and be once again disappointed by Portland's inability to lure/keep a marquee free agent, but I am inwardly hoping for the best.

I really think it will depend on if ATL decides to stay the course and re-sign Horford to a max contract, or let him walk and start a rebuild. After winning 60 games and having the No. 1 seed in the East in 2014-15, they went cheap and let DeMarre Carroll walk for nothing. That's doesn't exactly show a commitment to winning. and it was reflected in their record as they dropped from 60 wins to 48 wins. I hope Horford realizes this and sees POR as a team on the way up, rather than the way down and that his skill set will help take us to that next level.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Michael Jordan shall come out of retirement and we will sign him to a vet minimum deal. Mike will then recruit LeBron AND Durant AND Horford.

Dame
Jordan
LeBron
Durant
Horford

It shall be done.

 

[Boob-No-More]

There's not much Philly has to do to blow it up.

They blew it up 3 years ago and have blown ever since.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

Michael Jordan shall come out of retirement and we will sign him to a vet minimum deal. Mike will then recruit LeBron AND Durant AND Horford.

Dame
Jordan
LeBron
Durant
Horford

It shall be done.

No CJ?

Blasphemy!!!

 

[42N8Bounce]

Michael Jordan shall come out of retirement and we will sign him to a vet minimum deal. Mike will then recruit LeBron AND Durant AND Horford.

Dame
Jordan
LeBron
Durant
Horford

It shall be done.

To make that happen, we'd probably have to not re-sign Meyers Leonard to make some cap room. I'm not sure I'd be on board with that...

 

[Boob-No-More]

To make that happen, we'd probably have to not re-sign Meyers Leonard to make some cap room. I'm not sure I'd be on board with that...

But, but, but.... None of those old guys fit Dame's window. Meyers is only 24 and we all know it takes big men longer to adjust to the NBA. LET IT BAKE!!!

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

To make that happen, we'd probably have to not re-sign Meyers Leonard to make some cap room. I'm not sure I'd be on board with that...

I know Im DEFINITELY not on board with that!!! Great Call. Meyers is our Ringmaker man!

 

[Natebishop3]

No CJ?

Blasphemy!!!

Are you saying you'd ask Michael Jordan to come off the bench?

 

[riverman]

They blew it up 3 years ago and have blown ever since.

BNM

And now with a new GM I think they'll blow it up again...there's gonna be a blue light special on aisle 5 in Philly

 

[riverman]

There's not much Philly has to do to blow it up.

They have a lot of practice blowing it up

 

[PDXFonz]

They have a lot of practice blowing it up

So does S2...

 

[Minstrel]

My real hope, and our biggest need, is a rim protecting big that is also a great pick and roll defender. A big that knows how to defend the pick and roll will help Dame and C.J. tremendously on the defensive end.

This is why Al Horford would be such a great fit in POR. This article is over a year old and the author gushes a bit too much, but he's right on about Horford's pick and roll defense. He's not spectacular, but may be the most fundamentally sound big man defender this side of Tim Duncan. He's always in the right position with his arms extended in the passing lanes. He doesn't get a lot of spectacular blocks, but he uses his length well both on the perimeter and in the paint. He blocks 1.5 shots per game, alters many more and is always among the leaders in lowest opponent FG% within 6 feet of the basket.

And, that's just on the defensive end. He's an efficient low post scorer and is equally effective running the pick and roll and diving to the basket, or running the pick and pop and knocking down the mid-range jump shot.

He'd really compliment Dame and C.J. at both ends of the court. He'd fill so many of our needs (rim protection, pick and roll defense, reliable 3rd scorer, low post offense, etc.). I've been gushing over Paul Millsap, but in many ways Horford is an even better fit. I hope there is some way Olshey can convince Horford that POR is the best destination and fit for him.

Yeah, I've been dreaming about Atlanta's front court on Portland...both Horford and Milsap are perfect for Portland. My dream offseason involves convincing Horford to sign and figuring out a trade with Atlanta for Milsap that doesn't involve Lillard or McCollum. That's probably extremely unrealistic, but if some combination of Plumlee, Vonleh and draft picks could do it, Portland would instantly be a contender for the #2 seed in the West. The overall upgrade to both offense and defense would be huge.

My "realistic" ideal offseason would be to sign Horford as well as Marvin Williams. Williams, I feel, could operate as a kind of poor man's Milsap. He's a similar body type (slightly taller, slightly lighter), he can man power forward, he plays good defense and he can shoot the ball out to three-point range. He can't rebound as well as Milsap, but if you can't get Milsap, I think Williams brings the defense and spacing benefits to really strengthen the Portland starting lineup in conjunction with Horford.

Lillard / McCollum / Aminu / Williams / Horford is a lineup that I think can do a lot of damage in the West playoffs.

 

[dviss1]

Yeah, I've been dreaming about Atlanta's front court on Portland...both Horford and Milsap are perfect for Portland. My dream offseason involves convincing Horford to sign and figuring out a trade with Atlanta for Milsap that doesn't involve Lillard or McCollum. That's probably extremely unrealistic, but if some combination of Plumlee, Vonleh and draft picks could do it, Portland would instantly be a contender for the #2 seed in the West. The overall upgrade to both offense and defense would be huge.

My "realistic" ideal offseason would be to sign Horford as well as Marvin Williams. Williams, I feel, could operate as a kind of poor man's Milsap. He's a similar body type (slightly taller, slightly lighter), he can man power forward, he plays good defense and he can shoot the ball out to three-point range. He can't rebound as well as Milsap, but if you can't get Milsap, I think Williams brings the defense and spacing benefits to really strengthen the Portland starting lineup in conjunction with Horford.

Lillard / McCollum / Aminu / Williams / Horford is a lineup that I think can do a lot of damage in the West playoffs.

Not sure about Williams but I'm definitely on board with the Horford/Milsap idea.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yeah, I've been dreaming about Atlanta's front court on Portland...both Horford and Milsap are perfect for Portland. My dream offseason involves convincing Horford to sign and figuring out a trade with Atlanta for Milsap that doesn't involve Lillard or McCollum. That's probably extremely unrealistic, but if some combination of Plumlee, Vonleh and draft picks could do it, Portland would instantly be a contender for the #2 seed in the West. The overall upgrade to both offense and defense would be huge.

My "realistic" ideal offseason would be to sign Horford as well as Marvin Williams. Williams, I feel, could operate as a kind of poor man's Milsap. He's a similar body type (slightly taller, slightly lighter), he can man power forward, he plays good defense and he can shoot the ball out to three-point range. He can't rebound as well as Milsap, but if you can't get Milsap, I think Williams brings the defense and spacing benefits to really strengthen the Portland starting lineup in conjunction with Horford.

Lillard / McCollum / Aminu / Williams / Horford is a lineup that I think can do a lot of damage in the West playoffs.

I love the fact that we don't sacrifice anything on offense, by not giving up our 2nd-best-in-the-league backcourt, but in fact get even better on offense and get WAY better on defense. Yeah, I've been saying for weeks, I want Millsap AND Horford. I've wanted Millsap here ever since before the 2006 draft, and he keeps getting better. He took his defense to a whole new level this year.

My only concern would be our bench, depending on what we have to give up. Keeping Crabbe would be huge, he makes a good 3-guard rotation with Dame and C.J, but not sure that would be possible. I'm hoping we can, at some point very soon, be the new San Antonio or Golden State where veteran role players go to try to earn (actually contribute and not just ride someone else's coattails) a ring.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Not sure about Williams but I'm definitely on board with the Horford/Milsap idea.

If Olshey could pull that off, there's no way in hell he doesn't win Executive of the Year next season. ATL won 60 games with that front court and finished ahead of CLE last year. We'd replace DeMarre Carroll with Aminu as our 3 an D guy (and I actually think Aminu is better than Carroll at this point) AND add the 2nd best backcourt in the league.

Man, I'd love to see what Terry Stotts could do with that lineup. Horford and Millsap would make things so much easier for Dame and C.J, - on both ends of the court. It would give us two more proven scorers, that can score in the paint, or all the way out to 3-point range, that are perfect for both the pick and roll and the pick and pop (choose your poison), and a HUGE upgrade on our defense, both in the paint and on the perimeter. Horford and Millsap both defend the pick and roll incredibly well, both are decent shot blockers and both get lots of steals by being active in the passing lanes. They are just two guys that play really, REALLY smart defense.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Of course, Mike Budenholzer is a well known Popovich disciple, so it should come as no surprise that ATL's big men have become such fundamentally sound defenders under his tutelage. If ATL is dumb enough to ever fire that guy, I hope Paul Allen is IMMEDIATELY on the phone offering to make him the highest paid assistant coach in the history of the word (LeBron doesn't count, we all know he's the head coach) to come be our defensive specialist Associate Head Coach.

BNM

 

[Minstrel]

Not sure about Williams but I'm definitely on board with the Horford/Milsap idea.

Well, yeah, Williams is no one's first choice, but in terms of a good player who fits perfectly both into what Portland wants to do and the direction the league is going, he makes a nice addition alongside Horford: a stretch power forward who can actually defend. And he should be affordable.

 

[BigGameDamian]

So does S2...

HCP'S wife?

 

[WillG]

It's tempting to think of a Ben Simmons fulfilling his potential/ceiling as a Blazer - were we to trade;
but I'm going to have to say no.
Who knows how either Simmons or Ingram will pan out in the long run. Is Ingram THAT talented, and are there motivational issues with Simmons?

We already have a young guy who is playing at a borderline All-star level (in his first full season of minutes) and has room to improve.
On top of that CJ is a class act, and fits our culture.

Bottom line: NO, because we already have a young player with a high floor - and potentially a very high ceiling who fits well with our team.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Listening to the latest installment of @Dan Marang's Potential Upside podcast (episode 14), and he not only thinks trading CJ is reasonable, but is a necessity. Starts around the 28 minute mark. Saying that if we had tanked properly, we'd be able to trade CJ and that pick for just about anyone in the league.

Of course, the basis for this opinion is saying that this team as currently constructed is a 48-50 win team max, a claim with which I would vehemently disagree.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Listening to the latest installment of @Dan Marang's Potential Upside podcast (episode 14), and he not only thinks trading CJ is reasonable, but is a necessity. Starts around the 28 minute mark. Saying that if we had tanked properly, we'd be able to trade CJ and that pick for just about anyone in the league.

Of course, the basis for this opinion is saying that this team as currently constructed is a 48-50 win team max, a claim with which I would vehemently disagree.

Hmmm.. Somehow Im thinking if we had "Tanked Properly", CJ would not be anywhere where he is now and thus not be near as valuable, and thus thus, not netting "anyone" in the league.

Shit if that were the case, we should be able to trade him now for anyone in the league right? I mean his value now has to be higher than last off season right?

Mad respect for Dan, but think he is way off on this. and I agree with you on the ceiling of the team as constructed.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He's now suggesting a trade of CJ and Plumlee for Monroe and their #10 pick. Seems silly to me.

And now suggesting trying to see if Minny would trade Wiggins for CJ (+?), which is crazy to think that the Wolves would accept.

 

[Orion Bailey]

He's now suggesting a trade of CJ and Plumlee for Monroe and their #10 pick. Seems silly to me.

And now suggesting trying to see if Minny would trade Wiggins for CJ (+?), which is crazy to think that the Wolves would accept.

hmmm...@DanMorang ? Your losing my faith my man!!!!