Would you trade for Batum?

[Rastapopoulos]

Apparently Batum might be on the block.
Would you trade for him? Bear in mind that he's paid a shit ton, is shooting poorly, seems always to have nagging injuries these days, and most of you crowed when we dumped him.

If you do want to trade for him - show the trade that you would do.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Look on ye anemic PERs and despair:

 

[TBpup]

Some nights, I'd trade something decent for him. Other nights, a Top-55 protected 2nd round pick. He hasn't changed.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Some nights, I'd trade something decent for him. Other nights, a Top-55 protected 2nd round pick. He hasn't changed.

Changed my vote after reading this to hell no

 

[dviss1]

I said Yes if we got rid of Turner.

 

[Scalma]

As long as Turner goes, sure. Clifford coached Harkless as a rookie in Orlando, he might be of interest, but they could probably do better.

 

[julius]

I voted no, because he's having arguably his worst year, and is owed a TON of money.

In his prime (he's still overrated) yes, but not anymore.

 

[dviss1]

I changed my vote to hell no after looking at his salary. PLAYER OPTION???? Yeah... no.....

 

[HailBlazers]

I changed my vote to hell no after looking at his salary. PLAYER OPTION???? Yeah... no.....

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[blue9]

I would DEFINITELY trade Turner+Harkless for him. No question.

 

[blue9]

I changed my vote to hell no after looking at his salary. PLAYER OPTION???? Yeah... no.....

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It's only one year longer than Turner - and that last year could turn into a nice expiring contract. I know, I know, we never seem to make use of RLECs, but still.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I voted no, because he's having arguably his worst year, and is owed a TON of money.

In his prime (he's still overrated) yes, but not anymore.

How does his worst year compare to Hark and ETs worst years, or best years for that matter?

How does his future salary compare to ET + Harkless's future salary?

 

[blue9]

I changed my vote to hell no after looking at his salary. PLAYER OPTION???? Yeah... no.....

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Let me put it another way - we're paying Turner/Harkless RIGHT NOW what Nic will make in the FINAL year of his contract.

 

[Scalma]

I would DEFINITELY trade Turner+Harkless for him. No question.

I think everyone would. Don’t see why Charlotte would do that though

 

[dviss1]

Let me put it another way - we're paying Turner/Harkless RIGHT NOW what Nic will make in the FINAL year of his contract.

You know damn well that's not going to turn into an expiring deal. He's gonna opt in to 27 Mil and would be a fool not to.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Let me put it another way - we're paying Turner/Harkless RIGHT NOW what Nic will make in the FINAL year of his contract.

True, but Rasta's proposed deal gets us under the luxury tax, which gets us out of the repeater tax, which saves us a lot of $$$..... but yes, Batum's contract is huge.

 

[blue9]

You know damn well that's not going to turn into an expiring deal. He's gonna opt in to 27 Mil and would be a fool not to.

No, that's what I'm saying, he'll opt in for one more year than Turner/Hark - and that final year could conceivably be a nice expiring contract trade asset. But yeah, we never seem to use them to any advantage, but hope springs eternal!

 

[blue9]

I think everyone would. Don’t see why Charlotte would do that though

No idea. Maybe they're as tired of Nic as we are of Turner? Turner is, if nothing else, healthier than Nic!

 

[blue9]

True, but Rasta's proposed deal gets us under the luxury tax, which gets us out of the repeater tax, which saves us a lot of $$$..... but yes, Batum's contract is huge.

I know! I'm 100% IN FAVOR of the trade!

 

[Scalma]

No idea. Maybe they're as tired of Nic as we are of Turner? Turner is, if nothing else, healthier than Nic!

I guess long term it does save them money since Turner and Harkless aren’t under control as long as Batum. We’d probably have to throw in Swanigan

 

[handiman]

I guess long term it does save them money since Turner and Harkless aren’t under control as long as Batum. We’d probably have to throw in Swanigan

An interesting way to look at it would be, is Batum of more value than Turner and Harkless combined? (Harkless is Mr. Invisible this year, so that's not tough to accomplish.) All three are on bad contracts at the moment with their level of play, so the degree of horrific-ness of Batum's isn't overly relevant if he nets two lesser evils that add up to a bigger evil. It's only relevant if Turner+Harkless can return a more valuable or cheaper player, which seems unlikely.

Batum has a lot of mileage on him, though. I'd be worried about paying big money to old Tony Parker at this point.

 

[Scalma]

I wonder what happened to Batums three point shooting. I’m guessing he got cleaner looks in Portland despite the amount of attempts being pretty similar. If he came back I’m confident his percentages would go back up.

I’m biased though. I defended Batum throughout his tenure in Portland. Besides his basketball talent, he just seemed like a dude anyone could be friends with. I miss him.

 

[ripcityboy]

His contract is huge. But aren't we the destination for all pay/no play at the current time?

(Moe. Stop frowning.)

 

[blue9]

I wonder what happened to Batums three point shooting. I’m guessing he got cleaner looks in Portland despite the amount of attempts being pretty similar. If he came back I’m confident his percentages would go back up.

I’m biased though. I defended Batum throughout his tenure in Portland. Besides his basketball talent, he just seemed like a dude anyone could be friends with. I miss him.

Yeah, I think he'd be a much more effective player on our roster than he is on CHA's roster. He'd be a 3rd/4th option role player, rather than a primary/secondary ball-handler/playmaker.

 

[riverman]

no.....Batum's good games are 10 cents on the dollar...he mails it in for long stretches of a season and just when you're done with him, he'll have a great game...every year he says the same thing....finally I can play my game! He said it when he got to Charlotte but it was the same game he played in Portland pretty much....meh....when Nico does play that great game, I love to watch him play...then next game you forget he's on the team

 

[Natebishop3]

His contract is exactly why I wanted him gone in the first place. I didn't think he was worth that money before, and I certainly don't think he's worth that money now.

 

[BonesJones]

Batums better as a 3rd option. In CHA he's the #2 option, and it's not right for him. As a #3 I think he'd play better.

 

[BonesJones]

Would make my #88 jersey applicable again.

 

[Boob-No-More]

no.....Batum's good games are 10 cents on the dollar...he mails it in for long stretches of a season and just when you're done with him, he'll have a great game...every year he says the same thing....finally I can play my game! He said it when he got to Charlotte but it was the same game he played in Portland pretty much....meh....when Nico does play that great game, I love to watch him play...then next game you forget he's on the team

OK, I get that he makes twice as much as No Show Mo, but at least Nick shows up once every 5 - 10 games. Mo is currently taking the entire season off.

Turner is a terrible fit. I'd originally hoped he'd be a good third ball handler/distributor with the height to defend taller shooting guards. He, in theory, is that, but his terrible shooting makes him useless in Stotts' offense. Instead of facilitating, the offense grinds to a halt as Turner tries to go iso on his man with everyone else standing around. Flashbacks to the Nate all-iso-all-the-time offense, minus the shot making ability of Brandon Roy. Turner with the ball in his hands represents the worst of our last two coaching regimes.

This could be one of those rare trades that makes both teams worse (the ESPN trade machine thinks so). More likely, it's a lateral move of trading our overpaid, underachieving players for theirs. We'd still be bad at the SF position, but it would be a different bad.

The only bright light is it would get us under the luxury tax threshold this year, thus postponing the inevitable repeater tax by another year. Unfortunately, we won't just be paying Nic $27+ million in 2020-21, we'd be paying nearly $90 million in luxury tax on that $27 million. Given his history of nagging injuries and his already rapid decline, is a 32-year old Batum worth $117 million in 2020-21?

As much as I would like to move Turner's contract and just flat out don't ever want to see that pouting quitter Harkless in a Blazer uniform, I'd probably pass on this trade. That final player option year of Batum's contract is just a killer.

BNM

 

[riverman]

I'd still consider bringing Gerald Henderson back...he's probably recovered from surgery and wouldn't break the bank...good solid 2 way player..vocal guy on the court.