Would you trade Lillard?

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Rastapopoulos said:
Bump.
How about Lillard and Harkless for Leonard and Gasol?
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Other than the obvious "we can't trade Dame", I do have a couple concerns. If you trade Dame in the scenario, who would be the team leader? Nobody jumps out to me. CJ wouldn't work and Leonard isn't that type of player. I could see a turf war between CJ and Leonard, with neither one qualified. You would probably need a stronger coach than Stotts to manage it.

You would also need to make another trade to figure out who was going to run the offense.
 
I think the only player I would trade Dame for is Giannis. LeBron is amazing but he is getting up there in age. I could see his body start breaking down in about 2-3 years (he does take amazing care of it though at this point). Harden is better but I can't stand the guy and wouldn't want to root for him. Davis is still too injury prone. Durant I guess might be the other guy I would trade Dame for. Everyone else is at Dames level or lower imo and would be a side-ways trade at best. When you take into account what he has done for the city, Dame is going no-where.
 
I would trade Dame for Simmons in a heartbeat, but Philly would laugh.
 
Reep said:
I would trade Dame for Simmons in a heartbeat, but Philly would laugh.
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To quote myself (January '17):
Rastapopoulos said:
This (Simmons for Lillard) would be an impatient trade for the 76ers, but I get the impression they fired Hinkie because they got impatient. They have a very unbalanced roster and they need shooting in the worst way. Also they have no real (prototypical) PG, so would be tempted by Lillard (unlike many teams given the profusion of good PGs currently). It's not clear that Simmons would really work alongside Embiid, who has got to be their centerpiece going forward, whereas Lillard would complement him perfectly.

Meanwhile, for us, this would be an admission that it's a total rebuild. CJ would be our star-of-the-moment, but Simmons has a chance to be really special, like, much more special than Damian. Of course, he also has a chance to be a taller, even more injury-prone Ricky Rubio. As mentioned, his talents fit a running game better. But why can't we run? It's not like we have a settled roster that's good enough to dictate our style of play.
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Little did I realize how soon Simmons would surpass Lillard.
 
It would take a crazy good deal for me to trade Dame. His intangibles are simply too great. Chances are, no team is going to give Portland what I hope the Blazers would want in return, so I simply don't see it happening. Everyone else is open for discussion.
 
No Way. He's family. Stayed when others left. He had a bad scoring streak during the playoffs. He's human.
 
You don't trade the guy who finally put Portland on the map....he's the face of the Blazers period...will become the greatest in franchise history...to even think about trading Dame is beyond comprehension in my view. Talent is out there but talent with leadership and accountability is a rare thing to have.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Or: Lillard for Noah and Ntilikina and a BUNCH of picks?

(Guarantee NOBODY will like that one.)
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If trading Lillard happened this is the type of deal that would be the most realistic but the problem is they have the #9 pick this year which isn't high enough to warrant trading Lillard and they are probably a playoff team in the future with Lillard and Porzingis so the future picks wouldn't be worth much either. Plus the jury is still out on Frank. I would rather just keep Lillard in this scenario.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You think Simmons has surpassed Lillard? :lol:

Long term, yes, I think he'll be a much better player..... but currently? Come on.

http://bkref.com/tiny/rnewJ
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Yes, and it isn't even close. We each get our opinion. Simmons would be my #1 or tied with AD. He makes his teammates better, is a stellar defender and is pretty much unstoppable. The only thing he doesn't do as well as Dame is shoot the three. He is much better at everything else.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I love the guy but that does not say much about the franchise.
"Our greatest player ever was maybe the third or fourth best PG in the NBA for a couple of years there."
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I don't think he's peaked at all...his defense took a big leap forward just this season alone.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You think Simmons has surpassed Lillard? :lol:

Long term, yes, I think he'll be a much better player..... but currently? Come on.

http://bkref.com/tiny/rnewJ
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Dame to Simmons (admittedly cherry picked)

eFG 52 v 55
asst 6.6 v 8.2
Reb 4.5 v 8.1
stl 1.1 v 1.7
DRTG 109 v 102
dWS 2.7 v 5.0

one on one Dame is a better offensive scorer, but Simmons is better across the board on defense and is a better offensive team member. Dame does make those around him better, but Simmons game is more team oriented.

I would also have you notice the playoff VORP and BPM on the bottom of the linked charts to compare them in the playoffs.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
While it isn't going to happen there are a few players I would trade Lillard for.

They are:
Westbrook (yes he is a dick but triple-double threat every time)
Davis (injuries make it scary but the dude puts up superstar numbers when healthy)
Durant
Greek Freak
Kawhi
LeBron
Curry

Short list and the other teams aren't likely interested so he stays which is just fine with me.

Some big names I wouldn't trade him for:
Harden (no D just like Dame plus I would puke watching him play)
Cousins (he is very good but SAC isn't dealing from a position of strength - an overpay)
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Sorry man but after that first line, I couldn't read anymore.

I do have to ask though, what have those triple dubs amounted to for OKC, who has two better players around him than we have on our roster aside from Dame?
 
Reep said:
Dame to Simmons (admittedly cherry picked)

eFG 52 v 55
asst 6.6 v 8.2
Reb 4.5 v 8.1
stl 1.1 v 1.7
DRTG 109 v 102
dWS 2.7 v 5.0

one on one Dame is a better offensive scorer, but Simmons is better across the board on defense and is a better offensive team member. Dame does make those around him better, but Simmons game is more team oriented.

I would also have you notice the playoff VORP and BPM on the bottom of the linked charts to compare them in the playoffs.
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They are asked to do different things, and Philly has significantly more talent surrounding Simmons. Our team is a joke without Lillard, as proven by the fact that New Orleans' entire strategy was to take Lillard out of the equation and we got swept. I suspect that if we played Miami, Dame's playoff numbers would be much much better as well.

Look at this shit - in the postseason the Sixers have very nearly seven guys averaging double figures. If Fultz ever puts it all together, that team is going to be fucking stacked.

Redick - 20 ppg
Embiid - 18.7 ppg
Simmons - 18.2 ppg
Belinelli - 16.6 ppg
Saric - 16.6 ppg
Ilyasova - 10.8 ppg
Covington - 9.4 ppg

Compare that to Portland

CJ - 25.3 ppg
Dame - 18.5 ppg
Aminu - 17.3 ppg
Nurk - 11.8 ppg
Turner 9.3 ppg

Our team sucks. If you put Simmons on this team, what would he average? Or worse, if you put him on the Kings? I think the guy is talented, but Dame very well might be first team All-NBA this year. Simmons is not.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Our team sucks. If you put Simmons on this team, what would he average? Or worse, if you put him on the Kings? I think the guy is talented, but Dame very well might be first team All-NBA this year. Simmons is not.
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You may be right about the suckage, but if you put Simmons on our team (Baldwin, CJ, Simmons, Aminu, Nurkic/Collins), I am certain of two things. First, for better or worse, the scoring would naturally spread out more to the other players. Second, the defense NO employed against Dame would not have worked as well against Simmons as the primary ball handler.
 
Reep said:
You may be right about the suckage, but if you put Simmons on our team (Baldwin, CJ, Simmons, Aminu, Nurkic/Collins), I am certain of two things. First, for better or worse, the scoring would naturally spread out more to the other players. Second, the defense NO employed against Dame would not have worked as well against Simmons as the primary ball handler.
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For me it boils down to Stotts and his offense. I would like to see Dame become more of a distributor, and I know he's capable of it. He has built our entire offense around Dame and CJ jacking up shots. That needs to end. But the talent level on Philly compared to our team is still pretty unbalanced.
 
Natebishop3 said:
For me it boils down to Stotts and his offense. I would like to see Dame become more of a distributor, and I know he's capable of it. He has built our entire offense around Dame and CJ jacking up shots. That needs to end. But the talent level on Philly compared to our team is still pretty unbalanced.
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Hopefully new coaching will optimize the talents of the team better than last year. I am just stilled confused as to why Stotts flow offense, that used to look so fluid, has turned into one-dimensional iso-ball.
 
Reep said:
I would trade Dame for Simmons in a heartbeat, but Philly would laugh.
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Ya, he is another consideration. There are some unknowns
Orion Bailey said:
Sorry man but after that first line, I couldn't read anymore.

I do have to ask though, what have those triple dubs amounted to for OKC, who has two better players around him than we have on our roster aside from Dame?
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That is my list like two years ago man. My new list is above and much shorter.
 
Reep said:
Hopefully new coaching will optimize the talents of the team better than last year. I am just stilled confused as to why Stotts flow offense, that used to look so fluid, has turned into one-dimensional iso-ball.
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I think Dame and CJ have zero accountability, and that's not a good thing. They have the greenest of green lights. That's on Stotts. They're not the kind of guys that would defy their coach, so to me it's about Stotts being a big pushover. He needs to reign those two guys in, and I don't think he has it in him.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So. The team is in a massive funk. Our worst problem is defense, especially perimeter defense (judging by how easily teams are shooting 3s against us). Our two best players are very similar: defensively-challenged, score-first combo guards. CJ is actually shooting much more efficiently recently, and is also currently pretty much impossible to trade (unless you involve Philly somehow). He's also been playing SG mostly, and small, defensively challenged SGs are not at a premium in the league (particularly given our shitty record). By far our best asset is Lillard. So: would you trade him?

Advantages: you might get a really good player in return, preferably a frontcourt player.
Our defense would almost certainly improve.

Disadvantages: trade the player who's been MOST loyal to this small market? Who's said he wants to be here indefinitely? Who's been the face of the franchise? NOT a good look. And there's about zero % chance Olshey would do it, so you'd probably need to bring in a new GM if you really wanted it to happen.
And Lillard has played nothing but PG. Could CJ really take over as PG? (More likely: start him and the also-pretty-much-untradeable Evan Turner together and have them share PG duties.)

So - would you do it? Well, of course the answer is "it depends", so perhaps the better question would be "who would you agree to trade Lillard for?"

(I know it's very very very very unlikely to happen, but this team sucks ass, so what else are we going to talk about?)
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NO, I would not trade Lillard.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Well you would have had to wake up to it 2 years ago. He was not on my list of who I would trade for after that.
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Does that mean we have to await your word before any trades can happen? My God, it's like I have a twin.
 
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